F1

[WiTT]

I love the F1, that's all i wanted to say

[hazza]

poor poor webber

[gplama]

go webber.. bit of a bad luck race for him at this stage..

[WiTT]

the poor fella tries so hard, but schumacher has got this one in the bag (no suprise there) and the fact that it is slightly raining is also giving him an advantage

[gplama]

it only gets worse for webbz0r.. beached it!!! :((((

[gplama]

now he goes potty mouth on TV.. sheesh!! heh

[WiTT]

i think webber would do better on a push bike. heehee

oh yeah and nice overtake by alonso but the pit crew stuffed it up for him

[ratbag]

A bit of topic, but I had to vent…

It shits me that in Australia we always get a delayed telecast unless it is the local GP or the Japanese one, which starts at 4:00 am :(

Comparing it to the coverage they get in Europe we get a second rate telecast – we get the race and the FIA top three finishes interview. What about Qualifying? What about the cool ‘team/technology’ specials?

I guess they know that fans will watch no mater what time they show it… :(

/me goes back to the TV even tho he knows the result…

[WiTT]

i just make sure i don't know the results before the race.

[ratbag]

I can't help my self -- I guess its due to the fact, that a couple of years ago when the races were very boring I started checking results so that I didn’t stay up and just watch cars going in circles. The way they started would be pretty much the way they would finish. So I’d only watch the starts, and continue if there was some stacks to look forward to :D

[WiTT]

the start of the race is definately the best part.

[Bostonmess]

Originally posted by WiTT
i just make sure i don't know the results before the race.

Schumacher wins :) (and that's without even knowing the result)

[WiTT]

hehehe so true

[mjolnir]

Originally posted by ratbag
Comparing it to the coverage they get in Europe we get a second rate telecast – we get the race and the FIA top three finishes interview. What about Qualifying? What about the cool ‘team/technology’ specials?

actually, i'm in london now, and sure, we get qualifying on saturday, but sunday wise we only get a 15min intro (which is spent with qualifying and track intro), then straight into the race, unilaterals, and a wrap up... not much different than sydney... i sure missed melbourne's 14 support races...

prolly sth to do wif bernie-vision - lack thereof

[ratbag]

Originally posted by mjolnir
...but sunday wise we only get a 15min intro (which is spent with qualifying and track intro), then straight into the race, unilaterals, and a wrap up... not much different than sydney...

...prolly sth to do wif bernie-vision - lack thereof

Hmmmm bit different to when I was in EU a couple of years ago. Maybe they only do that for races that are on during the day (EU races)? Or maybe you're right -- bernie-vision has taken all the goodies away. :(

[excalibur]

If webber could get a car that would hold together at his pace for a whole race then he'd be a regular podeum finisher... Big teams would be realising this. Some mates and I where talking about it, and Webber is apparent;y friends with Schumacher. I won't be surprised at all if when Schumacher retires, if Webber gets a Ferrari drive.

[108]

If Shuey retires, I think Ferrari would be more than likely after Alonso.

Although Webber has been putting that Jaguar where it just doesn't deserve to be, Alonso has doing great against respected drivers, has more good results to his name, and is a few years younger. Let's hope the rest of Button's season goes shithouse so that Webber gets the free Williams drive.

[King_Crud]

Originally posted by 108
If Shuey retires, I think Ferrari would be more than likely after Alonso.

Although Webber has been putting that Jaguar where it just doesn't deserve to be, Alonso has doing great against respected drivers, has more good results to his name, and is a few years younger. Let's hope the rest of Button's season goes shithouse so that Webber gets the free Williams drive.

Who else is driving Williams next year? Montoya is off to McLaren, Ralf won't be driving for them, probably be with Toyota, but after his two performances this year i wonder whether they'll want him. That leaves the door open for a Button/Webber pairing which i think would be fantastic, my two favorite drivers in the same team

[108]

Originally posted by King_Crud
Who else is driving Williams next year? Montoya is off to McLaren, Ralf won't be driving for them, probably be with Toyota, but after his two performances this year i wonder whether they'll want him. That leaves the door open for a Button/Webber pairing which i think would be fantastic, my two favorite drivers in the same team

Yeah, Weber (Ralf's manager) seems to be shooting himself in the foot with his negotiation tactics. But with Toyota having such a crap showing this year, I reckon Ralf should just bend over, and take it in the ass. A paycut and a little blow to the ego seems a much better option than a Toyota drive.

No one quite knows what Ralf will decide, so I wouldn't be too upset if someone stuck a potato in a BAR exhaust.



Edit:
Just after I typed all that, I checked out pitpass.com and then just uploaded an article about how Ralf may be willing to take a paycut.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=20283

[King_Crud]

Frankly i don't think it's going to be about Ralf bending over, i don't think Williams will keep him just for the simple fact that's he's nothing special, and i think they know that, He's certainly dne nothing this year and very little last year to prove his worth

[mjolnir]

Ralf has his days. But then again, Toyota has reputedly the best engine on the grid, and Gascoyne's Renault ain't doing so shabby. Add the fact that he's had little to no input on this year's Toyota...

Webber, as much a fan as I am, certainly hasn't had the team-mate to trouble him (Yoong, Pizzonia...). Interesting to see him paired up with someone like Button/Coulthard/Alonso. Besides, the only way he can get out of his contract with Jag (which runs out at the end of 2005) is either performance-related or Williams will have to pay out his present contract. Don't think it's in Frank's character to have to pay driver's out of their contracts...

Let's not discard Coulthard for that Williams seat either. Like Ralf, he too has his days and is an established racer (as opposed to a one-lap qualifier). Besides, Frank has made direct driver swaps over the years (montoya and zanardi in 1999). Then Scott Dixon (defending IRL champion) is due to have a test with Williams in the very near future. Then there's Jeff Gordon...

Heck, it's a bit early for silly season...

[ratbag]

Originally posted by King_Crud
...Who else is driving Williams next year?...
Quite a while ago F1-Live (http://www.f1-live.com) mentioned that Villeneuve might be a possibility for Williams.

Personally, I think he might have lost 'it' during his stay with BAR, and as such don't think he will be picked.

It would be nice to see Webber in a Williams.

As to Ralf, Frank doesn't put up with shit from his drivers very well. F1-live also had an article stating that Williams wasn't interested in Ralf's new offer (based on performance), but apparently that will now be decided at the next race.

11 days to go… :p

[excalibur]

Da-Chin should retire at the end of this year... he's never been the same since the plane crash... and he was on his way down then.

(By Da-Chin, it is a nickname some mates and I have given David Coulthard, look at him, his chin is huge, like 2 inches clear of the rest of his face, you could remove the front wing from his car, and still get enough downforce from his chin to keep the car on the road, he's like the "Chesty Bond" of motorsport)

[King_Crud]

I've always referred to DC as cubehead

[ratbag]

Originally posted by excalibur
Da-Chin should retire at the end of this year... he's never been the same since the plane crash... and he was on his way down then.

He was never a championship contender as such -- he is a good point scorer. He nearly always finishes, and has frequented the podium many a time. Even now, it looks like McLaren are using Coulthard to get some points (and thus get $$ from Bernie), and Kimi to test and develop ‘fast’ bits for the car.

[V_Max]

Originally posted by mjolnir
Then Scott Dixon (defending IRL champion) is due to have a test with Williams in the very near future.

Paul Ricard Times:

1. Button (BAR) 1:10.887 (80 laps)
2. Ralf (Williams) 1:11.547 (134 laps)
3. Davidson (BAR) 1:11.623 (19 laps)
4. Dixon (Williams) 1:11.753 (59 laps)
5. Wurz (McLaren) 1:12.256 (22 laps)
6. de la Rosa (McLaren) 1:12.533 (96 laps)
7. Montagny (Renault) 1:12.733 (141 laps)
8. Zonta (Toyota) 1:13.028 (55 laps)

Looks like Dixon will be an Aussie soon, judging by those times... especially given that that was his first run in an F1 car, first run in a non-IRL goes-right-too car for a couple of years, and he had a g/box problem restricting the number of laps he could do.

[ratbag]

Woot -- Schumacher on pole (http://www.formula1.com/race/result/716/16.html) for Bahrain.

Webber qualified in 14th place

[King_Crud]

what did you think of the track. I thought it was all a bit meh. Needed something, i think the curves after the second hairpin needed to rise and fall with the curves, they looked like they were put in for the sake of it.

Race was a bit meh as well, some good stuff but it looks like it could be the schumi show. I hope the next few races are hotter though so we can have some competition for him

[mjolnir]

yeah, somehow got bored even during qualifying (more cause schumi, i guess)... think the same about the track - plenty of overtaking on the track, but thats to be expected on a new circuit (can't wait till shanghai)... never thought BAR would be as it is now tho... another 3 bloody weeks... lets hope williams and renault pick their game up (can't rule out mcLaren tho... funny watching haug's face during the weekend... trying to tell ppl kimi's saturday breakdown wasnt engine related... and fucking james allen "it looks like an engine failure" on race day - sheesh...)

[mysterious-dr-x]

Originally posted by King_Crud
what did you think of the track. I thought it was all a bit meh. Needed something, i think the curves after the second hairpin needed to rise and fall with the curves, they looked like they were put in for the sake of it.

Race was a bit meh as well, some good stuff but it looks like it could be the schumi show. I hope the next few races are hotter though so we can have some competition for him

i dunno, i liked the whole up-&-down-ness of some of it.

the only real reason you say that about the race is coz of schum, so ignoring him, n the fact that barichello wasnt really all that far behind him, it wasnt a bad race, we got our closing in, our feigning, out taking a stab up the outside & touching & spinning, out getting it right & making a good move. the only thing we didnt have was out mclarends surviving the race, our feraris not, & someone other than schumi winning

[V_Max]

Originally posted by King_Crud
I hope the next few races are hotter though so we can have some competition for him Peope have been using this "Oh it's only because it's cool" excuse for Ferrari winning since Melbourne, but it just doesn't hold true anymore - it's clear Bridgestone have raised their game. I mean, in Bahrain it was over 30 degrees, and I can't see it getting much hotter than that anywhere in Europe. Let's face it, if you have a track in the middle of a desert, and a track not far away from the equator, it's a fair bet that they'll be the two hottest races of the season.
Sorry Williams/McLaren fans - it's all downhill from here :D

[mjolnir]

Originally posted by V_Max
I mean, in Bahrain it was over 30 degrees, and I can't see it getting much hotter than that anywhere in Europe.

actually, all three races have been considerably cooler than anticipated (sometimes by as much as 20C), playing into bridgestones' hands (if u missed it the were dust storms and high wind on the morning of race day in bahrain, and the rain on the grid just b4 the start - so it wasnt that hot)

EDIT: so u see, it's not just that ferrari is leaps and bounds ahead of every1, but other factors make it more so...

[V_Max]

Granted, but "cooler than anticipated" (in Bahrain and Malaysia) still equals "no cooler than anywhere else", wouldn't you think?

Remember too that Ferrari were on the front row despite 50deg track temps and approximately the same fuel as everyone else.

[mjolnir]

monty was on track for pole but screwed the last corner up - ralf was on the harder compounds... mclaren, well, were just being mclaren , BAR not exactly pole position type (but then, neither was the jag), renault... what happened to renault...?

[V_Max]

Schuey lost a heap of time on his lap too, I don't really see your point. The simple fact is this - Ferrari has been first in qualifying and first in the race at every event so far, and it's not likely that we'll encounter any hotter then the two just gone. So the temperature just isn't a valid excuse in my view.

[mjolnir]

schumi didnt lose time - he made a mistake going into the tight corner coming onto the back straight, somehow managed to hold it, and yet came up with a sector time exactly the same as barrichello (38.7)

saying that temperature is not a valid excuse is like saying the ferrari's dont need tyres at all to win a race!?! tyre's r one of the most important aspects of an f1 car!!!

[V_Max]

Exactly, since when was he no quicker than RB over any given stretch of road? ;)
The Williams' clearly had a setup that compromised S3 to some extent, Ferrari had a setup to optimise that sector. Yes, Montoya made a mistake and ran wide, but Schumacher made a mistake too - you could drive a truck through the gap that was left between his car and the apex of the corner. Ferrari were simply quicker on the day.

The temperature isn't a valid excuse because, and I hesitate to say this yet again, but it isn't going to get any hotter. If (and it's a big if) hotter temperatures still favour Michelin, then they've had the best two races they are likely to have. It's as simple as that, I don't know what other way I can put it.

[mysterious-dr-x]

Originally posted by V_Max
it isn't going to get any hotter


no, the chances are that it wont. but it will get wetter. hopefully.



dont have time to finish this post, will do later

[108]

Originally posted by mysterious-dr-x
no, the chances are that it wont. but it will get wetter. hopefully.



dont have time to finish this post, will do later

Yeah, but wetter is kinda a double-edged sword. Wet conditions are Bridgestone territory, but rain always brings more unpredictable races.

Man, we haven't had a good wet race since Brazil last year.

[mysterious-dr-x]

Originally posted by 108
Yeah, but wetter is kinda a double-edged sword. Wet conditions are Bridgestone territory, but rain always brings more unpredictable races.

Man, we haven't had a good wet race since Brazil last year.

yeah, i know, as i said, i didnt have time to finish the post, i was going to say that later.

although its still bridgestone territory, schumi itsnt dominant in wet, its more a barrichelo place to be, & he generally doesnt do as well & its a closer race. obviously doesnt mean her wont win though.

& no, we havnt, we do need a good wet race.

[108]

Thread nemocracy for the Monaco GP! I was about to post this on the front page, but I figured that the only people that would be intrested would be the ones checking up on this thread.

pitpass article (http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=20994)

If you can't be bothered clicking, the article says that for the first time by any F1 team, Renault are letting fans watch the telemetry live on the web.

I don't think we're getting the race live so I don't think it's a good idea to visit any F1 site on a Sunday, but if you're watching live timing (http://www.formula1.com/race/livetiming/715.html) for either practice or qualifying, check out http://www.renaultf1.com/ as well. Personally, I don't know what to expect, but I'm looking forward to it.

[ratbag]

Thanks for the link 108!

Good one!

[108]

Did you get to take a look at it? What did the telemetry actually show? Or was it just a bunch of seemingly random numbers?

I think the site was getting hammered so I couldn't check it out during practice or qualifying, and as I said above, I stay away from F1 sites on Sundays.

[ratbag]

Yeah I did have a look at it. First before the race started, and it looked promising – you could select the usual MoTeC telemetry stuff (but only 2 at a time). From what I gather, they will have a ‘strategy’ section in the future as well. Not sure how that will work.

However, when I tried it during the race, it didn’t work (most likely to busy to handle all the requests). Major bummer as I was really looking forward to seeing it at work. :(

[mjolnir]

oh well, put it this way - least the race made up for it ;)

[King_Crud]

it's shit, i work nights so normally I can stay up and watch the race without having to get up early the next day but last monday i had to go to a course that started at 8:30am. I don't have a video so couldn't record the race, i tried to stay up but fell asleep. And it's the only good race this year. Bugger shit

[ratbag]

Originally posted by mjolnir
oh well, put it this way - least the race made up for it ;)
Yes... it most definitely did... :D

[V_Max]

Originally posted by King_Crud
it's shit, i work nights so normally I can stay up and watch the race without having to get up early the next day but last monday i had to go to a course that started at 8:30am. I don't have a video so couldn't record the race, i tried to stay up but fell asleep. And it's the only good race this year. Bugger shit Sometime next week I will hopefully have a DivX of the race - they're usually about a gig. If that's feasible for you to download I can whack it up somewhere when (if) I get it, if you're interested.

[ratbag]

Originally posted by King_Crud
... Bugger shit
:(

And so far, it was the best race of the year… (IMHO)

[flow]

Originally posted by ratbag
:(

And so far, it was the best race of the year… (IMHO)

The worse thing is that it wasn't hard to pick it as the best race.

The rest have been shithouse. It's the first race I've watched right the way through not going to bed before the last 10 laps.

One the side - I just love it when Schumi ends up with no front wheels. :banana:

[King_Crud]

Originally posted by V_Max
Sometime next week I will hopefully have a DivX of the race - they're usually about a gig. If that's feasible for you to download I can whack it up somewhere when (if) I get it, if you're interested.

I appreciate the offer but I've only got my work PC to watch it on. What would I need to view said DivX file? I'm not really a computer type person

[V_Max]

Just the appropriate codec, assuming you have Media Player on your PC - I'm not actually 100% sure it's DivX, I'll check once the file comes down. Alternatively, I could probably write it to a DVD and post it to you or something if you like.

[108]

On a related note, is there anywhere that I can download/buy a copy of full older races?

I only got into F1 during a rain-soaked-crashfest race in the 1998 season. I think it was Spa, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I just want to see some of the classic races. I hear that there was this crazy manouver called "overtaking" going on during this time. Not too old, around Senna, Mansel, Giles etc.

It'd also be nice if it were the ITV covereage. I kinda miss Murray Walker.

[mjolnir]

Originally posted by V_Max
Sometime next week I will hopefully have a DivX of the race - they're usually about a gig. If that's feasible for you to download I can whack it up somewhere when (if) I get it, if you're interested.

say, where do u get/make the divx's from?

[V_Max]

Originally posted by mjolnir
say, where do u get/make the divx's from? I get them from a guy who records the Ch10 telecast (digital broadcast, so they're decent resolution) on his DVD recorder, and then encodes them the following week. Very nice of him :)

[King_Crud]

Originally posted by 108
On a related note, is there anywhere that I can download/buy a copy of full older races?

I only got into F1 during a rain-soaked-crashfest race in the 1998 season. I think it was Spa, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I just want to see some of the classic races. I hear that there was this crazy manouver called "overtaking" going on during this time. Not too old, around Senna, Mansel, Giles etc.

It'd also be nice if it were the ITV covereage. I kinda miss Murray Walker.

I've got every race from 94-97 but i don't know if you can buy the full races. The annual videos are good, I've got 84-92, Clive James commentary (84 & 86) are gold. I've got a mate who has every race from 1981 or something.

I'd love to get me hands on the full races, especially early to mid eighties

[V_Max]

A lot of them weren't even broadcast in full, as I understand it - just highlights packages. It wasn't until Bernie got proper control of everything that TV really started to get serious.

[108]

Originally posted by 108
On a related note, is there anywhere that I can download/buy a copy of full older races?
Managed to dig up some bit torrent links. Too bad hardly anyone is seeding.

TorrentBox (http://torrentbox.com/torrents-search.php?search=F1&cat=3&submit=Search)

Edit: Actually, screw that link. SuprNova has better stuff.

TV Shows -> Sports

SuprNova (http://www.suprnova.org/)

[King_Crud]

Originally posted by V_Max
A lot of them weren't even broadcast in full, as I understand it - just highlights packages. It wasn't until Bernie got proper control of everything that TV really started to get serious.

I think the first time full races were shown in australia were towards the end of 1980 when Alan Jones was all the rage. I'm pretty sure the BBC started showing the occasional full race in the early 70s. I'm hoping Bernie restarts the full digital coverage and they show it in oz, that would be heaven