The key above right shift is called:

[MisterBishi]

:cool:

[hooptieride]

ENTER!!!!

[kré]

<19:40> <@cray> it's ENTER motherfucker
<19:40> <@cray> -_-

[Stocking]

At least that's what my keyboard says, didn't they used to say return?

[SOC]

Wasn't it called the "return" key on a typewriter keyboard???:p

[rickbitch]

Typewriters used to (and still do) have the carriage return, and the qwerty layout is a leftover from those days. Obviously, computers don't have a carriage to return, so it is now enter.,

[MisterBishi]

Yeah I know that stuff, but s/ware manuals and shit say return quite often.

[Scythe]

Originally posted by rickbishop
Typewriters used to (and still do) have the carriage return, and the qwerty layout is a leftover from those days. Obviously, computers don't have a carriage to return, so it is now enter.,


What's especially bizarre is the the qwerty layout was specifically designed to limit maximum typing speed, since typing too fast on a typewriter causes the hammers to get tangled. The most commonly used letters are spread out to make them impossible to reach conveniently. You can buy more ergonomically efficient keyboards, but they have to be specifically ordered.

Despite the speed of technological development, human beings take a long time to adapt. :rolleyes:

[hazza]

or you can use dvork or whatever and swap the keys on ur keyboard



mine says "Enter" but on the,old, mac is has "Return"

[Holster]

it's enter...

and on a side note - IT'S A QUILT!!!

[utopian]

It's "Enter", and I really should look at getting a different keyboard.

[sagit]

I thought it was called the ANY key

:D

[King_Crud]

I used to call it return when i had an apple IIe, but now i've upgraded to a 286 i call it enter

[beowulf437]

In another bit of trivia the Remington company modified the original QWERTY layout so that the word typewriter could be typed with just the top row.

[Scythe]

Originally posted by sagit
I thought it was called the ANY key

:D

There are continual, recurrent rumours that software companies are planning to remove the instruction 'press any key' from their programs due to the massive number of calls to support centres asking where the 'any' key is.

An oldie but a goodie. :)

[utopian]

So which keyboard layouts are there that allow maximum speeds due to having the common letters in easy to reach places?

[108]

RETURN!

Don't know why I call it that though. Maybe that was what it was called on the Amiga or old Apples. But when I say RETURN, i mean the one above the shift key, and when I say ENTER I mean the one on the numberpad.

[utopian]

Look at what's printed on your keyboards, fools.

[MisterBishi]

An arrow on the big one, the word 'Enter' on the numpad.

[Nandragon]

Enter

Being a dinasour...I learned to type on a IBM manual typewriter....70wpm! yes sir!
In 1978 our high school was priviledge to become proud owners of the IBM selectives. (what u now see today as a typewriter) they haven't changed not one little bit. Some time later Brother did come out with a "word processor" but it was a piece of shit. White out and a typewriter were better.

then when keypunch and basic language came along...I learned the key in school as ENTER the information. Not return the carriage for the next line.

I type over 105wpm now.

[beowulf437]

Davorak keyboards have the most used letters in the home row. Most of the world typing records have been set on davorak keyboards. One study by the US army during WWII found that typist trained to use davorak keyboards typed 20 to 25% faster.

[Bostonmess]

Originally posted by Nandragon
Enter

Being a dinasour...I learned to type on a IBM manual typewriter....70wpm! yes sir!
I type over 105wpm now.

Which words? And, the, to, a, etc ? :D

[Nandragon]

'eh to brutus?

asdfghjkl;asdfghkl;asdfghjkl;asdfghjkl;

[Nandragon]

sorry for the multiple posts:(

[angel_b]

Oh look! Nan can copy and paste! :p

And, not to be pedantic, but the keyboard layout is called Dvorak. You can see the layout here (http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/layout.html)

This dinosaur also learned to type on a manual typewriter. And, before fax machines, there was the telex writer, where you got to punch holes in long strips of paper to send "instant messages". It was much fun. :)

[beowulf437]

Sorry Angel_b, I never said that I could spell.

[DJos]

Im just old enuf to have use a mechanical Typewriter and on them it's call "Return" which is short for "Carridge Return".

On PC's it's "Enter" for what i would have thought to be very obvious reasons. eg no physical carridge return mechanism. duh!

[oracle]

Working on a helpdesk has led me to the following conclusion. Most PC users call it "Enter" whereas Mac users call it "Return." I've learnt to never ask a Mac user to "hit Enter" as they usualy have no idea what I'm talking aboutOriginally posted by beowulf437
... One study by the US army during WWII found that typist trained to use davorak keyboards typed 20 to 25% faster. I read an article saying this is untrue. John C. Dvorak apparently falsified the results to try and sell his keyboard layout to typewriter manufacture. I believe it said more recent test showed Dvorak to be no better, or even slower than the QWERTY layout.

If I can find the article, I'll post it. If anyone else finds it, can you post it, as I'm at work atm (trying to get Mac users to hit Enter :D ) and don't have alot of time to search for stuff.

Edit: Ok, I found it. The Fable of the Keys (http://wwwpub.utdallas.edu/~liebowit/keys1.html)

[beowulf437]

I read an article saying this is untrue. John C. Dvorak apparently falsified the results to try and sell his keyboard layout to typewriter manufacture. I believe it said more recent test showed Dvorak to be no better, or even slower than the QWERTY layout.

The article tends to contradict itself on a couple of points.

The most recent studies of the relative merits of keyboards are found in the ergonomics literature. These studies provide evidence that the advantages of the Dvorak is either small or nonexistent. For example A. Miller and J. C. Thomas conclude that "the fact remains however that no alternative has shown a realistically significant advantage over the Qwerty for general purpose typing."40 In two studies based on analysis of hand-and-finger motions R. F. Nickells Jr. finds that Dvorak is 6.2 percent faster than Qwerty,41 and R. Kinkhead finds only a 2.3 percent advantage for Dvorak.42 Simulation studies by Donald Norman and David Rumelhart find similar results:

And again

The simulation showed that the alphabetically organized keyboards were between 2% and 9%n slower than the Sholes keyboard, and the Dvorak keyboard was only about 5% faster than the Sholes.

And again

The Dvorak keyboard does a good job on these variables, especially A and B: 67% of the typing is done on the home row and the left-right hand balance is 47-53%. Although the Sholes (Qwerty) keyboard fails at conditions A and B (most typing is done on the top row and the balance between the two hands is 57% and 43%), the policy to put successively typed keys as far apart as possible favors factor C, thus leading to relatively rapid typing


And in the interest of fairness a dissenting opinion

http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/dissent.html#fraud

I was probably guilty of perpetuating an urban legend with the 20 to 25% the article failed to show dvorak inferior to QWERTY.

And by the way Beta was superior in quality to VHS and 12" laserdisc superior to Beta. Apple could have dominated home computing if it hadn't been for their business practices.

[midg3t]

The key is enter, but the unix and mac ways of describing a new line (LF for unix, CR for mac) are far superior to window's dough-headed CR LF.

"Hey guys, let's use two bytes to represent a new line!"

I'm just sick of copying files from windows to my BSD server and every line ending with a ^M. ... well now i'm transferring with FTP which removes that stuff for me, thank god.

[CMYK]

Originally posted by beowulf437
In another bit of trivia the Remington company modified the original QWERTY layout so that the word typewriter could be typed with just the top row.

And so you could type STEWARDESSES with your left hand only.

[utopian]

A sad fad

[midg3t]

I can type any word on my keyboard with one hand only, but I usually use a mixed array of fingers... I can touch type, just not the lameo way we're "meant to". :>

[oracle]

Hey midg3t, where's you other hand when your typing? http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~joshua.y/smiley/suspicious.gif (j/k)

Anyways, it's always funny to hear customer apologise for being slow because they have to type with on hand on the phone. I could type faster with one hand than these dolt could with both. I can also touch type, but not the proper way.

When my mum went to school, they taught typing by putting an apron on the students that went over the keyboard so they couldn't even see the keys. http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~joshua.y/smiley/eek.gif

[utopian]

Originally posted by beowulf437
Dvorak keyboards have the most used letters in the home row. Most of the world typing records have been set on davorak keyboards. One study by the US army during WWII found that when given Dvorak keyboards, typists trained to use Dvorak keyboards typed 20 to 25% faster than typists not trained to use Dvorak keyboards.
http://members.optushome.com.au/utopienne/rolleyes.gif

[utopian]

http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/layout.gif Shows the layout of the most common Dvorak keyboard (not ANSI standard). I tried looking at it while typing and found that I could type pretty damn quickly and easily with it.

I touch type as well, but sometimes my left hand goes across to hit "Y", "N" and "H". My right hand very rarely comes across to type out of its range, I guess I prefer to keep it over near the punctuation buttons and Enter.

[Princess]

the button that makes things "go".....

[DrDivad]

mine has "enter' and the return arrow on the main one and just enter on the keypad,


also i always thought the stand abcd keyboard was pretty efficient, i've used one before and after a bit you get hell used to it and mega fast! cos ur brain doesn't have to spend barely any time processing it, not that it does much anyway, but it makes a difference

[utopian]

Argh, incorrect use of double negatives.

I used a modified ABCD keyboard a while back. All the consonants were set out in order, but the vowels were grouped together.

So it had all the sets of A's, E's, I's, O's and U's together with the modified characters that had commonly used accents (umlauts, etc).

[thingy]

Originally posted by utopian
http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/layout.gif Shows the layout of the most common Dvorak keyboard (not ANSI standard). I tried looking at it while typing and found that I could type pretty damn quickly and easily with it.

Talk about a stupid keyboard layout. THERE'S NO SPACEBAR!!! :p

[oracle]

Windows has the Dvorak layout in the keyboard control panel.

Get your butter knives out people, start popping the keys out and rearrange them in Dvorak order. Now change your control panel options and voila... Instant Dvorak Keyboard!

Weird Art Attack Guy: "Go ahead... Try it yaself!"
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~joshua.y/forumpic/artattack.jpg

[Buffy]

I would like to use a dvorak keyboard, would be interesting.
on a side note, that guy from art attack is really werird, as is the show... it freaks me out, not in a good way :p

[DJos]

Originally posted by DrDivad
also i always thought the stand abcd keyboard was pretty efficient, i've used one before and after a bit you get hell used to it and mega fast! cos ur brain doesn't have to spend barely any time processing it, not that it does much anyway, but it makes a difference

abcd keyboards are one of my pet hates, we have 2 lablemakers at work for labling backup tapes and everyone hates the abcd unit. I actually find them confusing but it's prolly due to limited exposure.

[Drakin]

Originally posted by oracle
Get your butter knives out people, start popping the keys out and rearrange them in Dvorak order. Now change your control panel options and voila... Instant Dvorak Keyboard!


just dont do it with a sloping keyboard.. the keys end up at all different heights.. :D

[utopian]

I wouldn't be popping keys out, I'd be making some sort of overlay to go over the top while I was using it, or possibly just writing on the keyboard with a nikko marker.

[MisterBishi]

I can type 'Isis' using just two keys amd 'fred' with just my left hand.

[Aphrodite]

The really stupid thing about the keyboard is that the number keys are upside down compared to the phone or adding machine keys.

In the dark ages I use to work all day switching between and adding machine and keyboard - it was a pain in the arse leading to numerous mistakes

[utopian]

How do I tell Windows XP that I'm using the Dvorak layout?

[DumHed]

just do it, windows will learn.

*snigger*

[MisterBishi]

If there's no native support under the Control Panel keyboard applet then I'd suggest googling for some 3rd party drivers, there's bound to be some geek somewhere that's written some.

[druid]

Originally posted by midg3t
I'm just sick of copying files from windows to my BSD server and every line ending with a ^M. ... well now i'm transferring with FTP which removes that stuff for me, thank god.

Unfortunately BSD doesn't seem to have such handy utils like dos2unix and unix2dos ported for it (search for them though) but the following Perl script should be capable of the former:

#!/bin/sh
perl -e 'while(<STDIN>){chop $_; print "$_\r\n";}; print "\f"'

Try it on something non-fatal first, ok. :)

:: edit : pkg_add -r unix2dos

[robotoverflow]

I used to think that art attack guy was cool

(This sure is a worthy 200th post :p)

[robotoverflow]

Originally posted by utopian
How do I tell Windows XP that I'm using the Dvorak layout?
Goto regional and language options in the control panel, select the languages tab then click on 'details' for text services and input languages. From there you can add a new KB layout.

[utopian]

Cheers, rebooting now and will see how it goes.

[MisterBishi]

<utopian> gje??? hgis'r #'gra???

[utopian]

oyug Xcodcv SjrrnS

Cu abfrb. ,abyo yr ir rgy ru yd.cp ,af yr ypabonay. ydcow u..n up.. yr er orv

QAQAQA

[robotoverflow]

Originally posted by utopian
oyug Xcodcv SjrrnS

Cu abfrb. ,abyo yr ir rgy ru yd.cp ,af yr ypabonay. ydcow u..n up.. yr er orv

QAQAQA
You might want to switch your keys around :p

I hope you have more luck with that than I did. My bastard KB has sideways slots for the home keys so I had to improvise with electrical and masking tape to fix up the letters on the keys I couldn't move :cool:

(note: This post took more than 5 minutes to type)

[oracle]

Originally posted by utopian
oyug Xcodcv SjrrnS

Cu abfrb. ,abyo yr ir rgy ru yd.cp ,af yr ypabonay. ydcow u..n up.. yr er orv

QAQAQA Translated post by utopian
stfu Bishi. :cool:

If anyone wants to go out of their way to translate this, feel free to do so.

XAXAXA WTF is XAXAXA? Maybe my layout is different to yours.

[King_Crud]

Originally posted by Buffy
I would like to use a dvorak keyboard, would be interesting.
on a side note, that guy from art attack is really werird, as is the show... it freaks me out, not in a good way :p

My sister used to work at a resteraunt in Sussex or Surrey or somewhere similar and Art Attack guy used to come in every day to eat there. My sister said he was a dickhead

[utopian]

"Wow, this steak is really good. TRY IT FOR YOURSELF."

"Sorry sir, I'm in the middle of my shift and I'm not meant to accept food from customers."

[Ic3]

I say it's Enter godddamn it!

And there's a reason to look at all the other posts..cos mine came in the middle of no where..

look a distraction!

[rin]

it says enter!!! :D

[SamBo]

If it is called the enter key, why is there no exit key? (I guess Escape comes close...)
If it is called the Return key, why is there no Borrow key?


I'll stop being so stoopid now.... wait, that's unpossible! :p

[Afro88]

I think I would like a TAB

The Commodore 64's key was called return. I spose the C64 keyboard looked alot like an old school typewriter too

[Cpt Jellybean]

Enter

[ratbag]

The really stupid thing about the keyboard is that the number keys are upside down compared to the phone or adding machine keys.
Ahhh, that is because the telephone companies wanted to be different. One of my uni Professors was involved with the design of the ‘keypad telephones’. His team could not convince the telephone companies of the time to go with the ‘standard’ keyboard layout. So there you have it, telecom companies were bastards even then.

[EDIT]
Oh, BTW, it is Enter. Used to be Return for the key above right shift, and Enter on the keypad, now it's just Enter.

[nique]

my ibook keypad just has a squiggle that some marketing tard must have thought clever. but it is enter. enter it is.

[lostreality]

enter


thats what most peaple over the phone know it as.

[minorproblem]

its called the fucking return key bitch.

[MisterBishi]

It's still fucking enter, man.

[lostreality]

according to www.googlefight.com

Enter Key is the winner

[minorproblem]

Its called a RETURN key because it returns you to the beginning of the line one line down god dammit ><!

[Fitty]

according to www.googlefight.com

Enter Key is the winner

Not anymore it isn't.

[sapience]

its called a fucking return key. losers

[Megabyte]

Welp, my keyboard clearly states Enter. On both versions of the key (middle location and keypad location). So Enter it is for me.

[Kez]

*cough*..... :banana:

[StygiaN]

There is a right and wrong shift key?

[lostreality]

Not anymore it isn't.


damn it! :swear:

[MisterBishi]

Its called a RETURN key because it returns you to the beginning of the line one line down god dammit ><!

No, on a typewriter it returns the carriage to the start of a line, on a PC it enters commands.

What are you, some kind of word processor jockey?

[stroakit]

its RETURN, although my keyboard seems to say enter on both keys :(

[MisterBishi]

I think it's conclusive in that case stroakit, you big weirdo.

[Kez]

The reason some wanker has made it "Enter" is because most people hit that key when they enter something into a form on the computer. ie) You hit enter at the end of a transaction on a webform to send it.

If you dont believe that, you can blow me.

Same goes for you to lovely Bishi.

And you minorproblem

And you to stroakit

[MisterBishi]

We know that, that's why Enter is the best name for it. Return is for stupid old ladies and mac faggots.

[dilligaf]

Enter, becuase you arent really returning anything.

[Jimma]

I'd just like to say that the key is called "down and left arrow" and there should be a poll option for that.

[King_Crud]

I've got the key that does this ' and this " above my shift key. And a caps lock and the other side

[Urban3300]

I present you Exhibit A:
http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/3910/keyboard1en.jpg

[timace]

wtf do we refer to ` as?
retarded reverse apostrophe?