Joking about rape [Archive]

plext

27-08-2003, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Asmodeus
Entirely possible to joke and laugh about it, people do it all the time. Its not the fault of the joker, more that of the humorless idealist who is too fragile in his own world to see wen something is humor and when somethingis threat, especially in mixed company. just becuase one person doesn't find it non-funny doesn't mean that it isn't.
I don't buy that Asmo. By that logic, it is perfectly sound and polite for me to say anything at anytime, with no thought as to impact upon anyone, so long as I find it funny.

Humour is very much in the eye of the beholder, but it would seem to me that sometimes we need to think about how what we say affects other people.

Just saying "but it was a joke" does not always make it right to have said it in the first place.

MisterBishi

27-08-2003, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Mr Bigglesworth
Hang on.....

Youre telling me that male clowns get raped quite often by women, and thats not funny???

*Note* - Male clown.....female perpetrator.

I'm not telling you anything, it is very much a possibility that clowns (of unspecified gender, since it's irrelevant) have been raped (by perpetrators of unspecified gender, since it's irrelevant) and will continue to be.

So why is this funnier than a travel agent, schoolteacher, housewife or nurse being raped?

Mr Bigglesworth

27-08-2003, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by MisterBishi
... it is very much a possibility that clowns (of unspecified gender, since it's irrelevant) have been raped (by perpetrators of unspecified gender, since it's irrelevant) ....

Its very relevant!!!

I do not condone a male raping a female in any way, shape or form. However, if a case existed where a male clown was raped by a female I would probably find that funny.

And just for your info, the only reason why I dont categorically state that I hate rape of all forms is because im not aware of any cases where a woman raped a man. And a guy raping another guy is sodomy.....I also do not condone that.

Happy??? :D

Chrissy

27-08-2003, 02:36 AM

I do not condone a male raping a female in any way, shape or form. However, if a case existed where a male clown was raped by a female I would probably find that funny.

I am at a loss to understand how you can find any specific rape case amusing? The feelings and trauma that any rape victim, whether male or female, must go through, are just appalling.

In fact, there have been cases tried in British courts of women raping men, I don't know if all or any of these men were clowns, but what the hell? It doesn't matter anyway!

Personally, I think laughing at a specific rape case sick, about as sick as I would find laughing at a specific case of a babies death.

Squishy baby jokes and rape jokes, when not aimed at one specific case, can be somewhat amusing, purely because they are sick, although I personally don't find them funny.

Edited to say: Having just thought some more about this, I think I should be more specific and say that although I don't find most rape or dead baby jokes funny, I do think that the tentacle rape comic strips are very funny indeed. Double standards? probably!

asskickergod

27-08-2003, 02:37 AM

George Carlin says......

Ohhh, some people don't like you to talk like that. Ohh, some people like to shut you up for saying those things. You know that. Lots of people. Lots of groups in this country want to tell you how to talk. Tell you what you can't talk about. Well, sometimes they'll say, well you can talk about something but you can't joke about it. Say you can't joke about something because it's not funny. Comedians run into that shit all the time. Like rape. They'll say, "you can't joke about rape. Rape's not funny." I say, "fuck you, I think it's hilarious. How do you like that?" I can prove to you that rape is funny. Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. See, hey why do you think they call him "Porky," eh? I know what you're going to say. "Elmer was asking for it. Elmer was coming on to Porky. Porky couldn't help himself, he got a hard- on, he got horney, he lost control, he went out of his mind." A lot of men talk like that. A lot of men think that way. They think it's the woman's fault. They like to blame the rape on the woman. Say, "she had it coming, she was wearing a short skirt." These guys think women ought to go to prison for being cock teasers. Don't seem fair to me. Don't seem right, but you can joke about it. I believe you can joke about anything. It all depends on how you construct the joke. What the exaggeration is. What the exaggeration is. Because every joke needs one exaggeration. Every joke needs one thing to be way out of proportion. Give you an example. Did you ever see a news story like this in the paper? Every now and then you run into a story, says, "some guy broke into a house, stole a lot of things, and while he was in there, he raped an 81 year old woman." And I'm thinking to myself, "WHY??? What the fuck kind of a social life does this guy have?" I want to say, "why did you do that?" "Well she was coming on to me. We were dancing and I got horney. Hey, she was asking for it, she had on a tight bathrobe." I'll say, "Jesus Christ, be a little fucking selective next time will you?"

Now, speaking of rape, do you know what I wonder? I wonder is there more rape at the equator or the north pole. These are the kind of things I think about when I'm sitting home alone and the power goes out. I wonder is there more rape at the equator or the north pole. I mean per capita, I know the populations are different. Most people think it's the equator, I think it's the north pole. People think it's the equator because it's hot down there, they don't wear a lot of clothing, guys can see women's tits, they get horney and there's a lot of fucking going on. That's exactly why there's less rape at the equator. Because there's a lot of fucking going on. You can tell there's a lot of fucking at the equator, take a look at the population figures. Billions of people live near the equator. How many Eskimos do we have? Thirty? Thirty five? No one's getting laid at the north pole, it's too fucking cold. Guys say to their wives, "hey tonight honey, huh, tonight, huh?" "Are you crazy? The wind chill factor is three hundred below." These guys are deprived. Their horney. Their pent up. Every now and then...p-pmm...they bust out, they got to rape somebody.

Now, the biggest problem an Eskimo rapist has, trying to get wet leather leggings off a woman who is kicking. Did you ever try to get leather pants off of someone who doesn't want to take them off? You would lose your hard-on in the process. Up at the north pole you dick would shrivel up like a stack of dimes. That's another thing I wonder. I wonder, does a rapist have a hard-on when he leaves the house in the morning, or does he develop it during the day while he's walking around looking for somebody. These are the kind of thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools.

Stocking

27-08-2003, 02:42 AM

Since it this thread was started by me (kinda), I think I should put my 2 cents/pence in.

Women *have* raped men and the horrible thing is that men who come forward about this are usually not taken seriously.

Basically I find joking about rape on par with joking about paedophilia. I realise (now) that some people don't. Maybe joking about it could be a ways of accepting it - this is why I don't like these jokes. Or maybe just a way of coping.

Although I did find the clown joke funny, but this is more about what I feel about clowns than rape.

SOC

27-08-2003, 02:48 AM

I hate clowns.
I hate rape.

The coment that led to this thread was not a general joke about rape, it was a comment (threat?) directed at a particular individual.
Just thought I should clarify that.

Mr Bigglesworth

27-08-2003, 02:49 AM

geez....some of you are way too pedantic.

youre arguing about a t-shirt that depicts a theme that rape is not funny unless youre raping a clown. ive said that if it was a male clown being raped by a female it would probably be funny. I also know that most males wouldnt mind having sex anyway and I personally have never heard of one news case of a woman raping a man (not saying it doesnt happen, but not as likely to happen and definitely not as traumatic for a male as for a female.)

So my mind boggles here.....arent there bigger problems in the world that need addressing.....

i must find more time to do important things like bringing down the US government, and less time arguing the merits and pitfalls of clown rape.

Chrissy

27-08-2003, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Mr Bigglesworth
geez....some of you are way too pedantic.

youre arguing about a t-shirt that depicts a theme that rape is not funny unless youre raping a clown. ive said that if it was a male clown being raped by a female it would probably be funny. I also know that most males wouldnt mind having sex anyway and I personally have never heard of one news case of a woman raping a man (not saying it doesnt happen, but not as likely to happen and definitely not as traumatic for a male as for a female.)

So my mind boggles here.....arent there bigger problems in the world that need addressing.....

i must find more time to do important things like bringing down the US government, and less time arguing the merits and pitfalls of clown rape.

It wouldn't be funny if I knew the clown...that's what I am saying

MisterBishi

27-08-2003, 02:54 AM

Clowns are people too :(

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 02:54 AM

The fact is: everyone has different tastes. Personally I don't mind any jokes (that I can think of) however I wouldn't go telling my grandma about stuff on here. I'm a different person in different company.

The other day one of my mates jokingly made a "nigger" comment, I can't remember it now, one of the others said: "Is that supposed to be funny?" and he replied "No. But the fact that I said it was."

Shit you should here some of the stuff where I work.

The other day Soc started a thread about needing somewhere to live, quite a few voted in the poll, some people might not find cancer funny, but the fact that it's an option in the poll, IMO, is.

Laughing at things is good therapy? Of course, I might not be saying that if I had been a victim of rape.

Shock value in humour is becoming the norm.

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by plext
I don't buy that Asmo. By that logic, it is perfectly sound and polite for me to say anything at anytime, with no thought as to impact upon anyone, so long as I find it funny.

Humour is very much in the eye of the beholder, but it would seem to me that sometimes we need to think about how what we say affects other people.

Just saying "but it was a joke" does not always make it right to have said it in the first place.

while true you have to pick your audience, but by extension, just becuas eone perosn in earshot doesn't find something funny does not mean you should feel bad about what you said, stop making jokes or even offer an appology. mostly, if they don't like it, they can mostly either get over it and take themselves less seriously and learn that its entertainment, or they can basically fuck off.

i think too many people really need to learn to lighten up, drop teh hyperliberal bullshit and probably get laid more.. all their pent up frustration vents out into annoying subjects like this and end up taking stupid little shit way too seriously.

I've seen teh conversation in question, and while it might have been in somewhat questionable taste, i thought it was rather humorous and would not have percieved it as a threat.

as above, christ, some people just need to lighten up. I'm sorry if one persons humor damages someones surface ideals, but really, that person just has to get over it.

druid

27-08-2003, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by Mr Bigglesworth
I also know that most males wouldnt mind having sex anyway and I personally have never heard of one news case of a woman raping a man (not saying it doesnt happen, but not as likely to happen and definitely not as traumatic for a male as for a female.)

Congratulations! You managed to combine ignorance, personal preference and a generalisation based on it in a splendid manner. The result is a spectacular argument as thin as soup that is made of the shadow of a pigeon that has been starved to death.

MisterBishi

27-08-2003, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
The other day Soc started a thread about needing somewhere to live, quite a few voted in the poll, some people might not find cancer funny, but the fact that it's an option in the poll, IMO, is.

I have to say, SOC, he's got you there mate.

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 03:08 AM

You can understand people getting upset about things. Some people/sexes (how many is there?) tend to see things differently. Just remember, if your sister/mother/brother had just been raped a few days ago, you might have a different perspective?

I know of no one who has been raped, however people who have had it happen to someone close to them, or even had it happen to themselves have a good reason for not laughing/taking offence.

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by druid
Congratulations! You managed to combine ignorance, personal preference and a generalisation based on it in a splendid manner. The result is a spectacular argument as thin as soup that is made of the shadow of a pigeon that has been starved to death.

LMAO :D

Kyle

27-08-2003, 03:11 AM

I think it's a funny thing to joke about....as long as it doesnt go too far or something, like a practical joke where someone slips something into a girls drink and when she wakes up hes putting his pants on or something...i mean think Family Guy...Quagmire jokes abot date-rape quite a bit and i've never found it the least bit offensive...it's just pure funny.....I think joking about anything is ok...when someone has the talent to get people to laugh at something so horrible, they should do it....it lightens up stuff

SOC

27-08-2003, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by MisterBishi
I have to say, SOC, he's got you there mate.

Yes and no - the poll gag in question was self-deprecating ... the IRC "gag" was not...

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 03:13 AM

I agree with that Kyle, but if one of your mates had a limb missing, you probably wouldn't make jokes about it?

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 03:14 AM

um, the missing limb would be our first target, and the amputee would probably have half teh jokes, and 90% of the best ones.

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by SOC
Yes and no - the poll gag in question was self-deprecating ... the IRC "gag" was not...

So it would be ok to joke about rape if you were referring to yourself?

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by Asmodeus
um, the missing limb would be our first target, and the amputee would probably have half teh jokes, and 90% of the best ones.

In your case, but not mine. :)

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
You can understand people getting upset about things. Some people/sexes (how many is there?) tend to see things differently. Just remember, if your sister/mother/brother had just been raped a few days ago, you might have a different perspective?

I know of no one who has been raped, however people who have had it happen to someone close to them, or even had it happen to themselves have a good reason for not laughing/taking offence.

point taken, but does that give me the right he be like hitler and a nazi regime of telling people what the can and cant joke about? no it doesn't. sure, someone can say 'i don't find that funny' to which point, if anyone cares they can change their behavior around that person, or say get over it, but the thing is, they don't have to change if its not needed. and then people want to spiral off and think that any mention of rape around a person is a threat. what a crock.

MisterBishi

27-08-2003, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by SOC
Yes and no - the poll gag in question was self-deprecating ... the IRC "gag" was not...

Maybe, but I don't think it was intended as a threat, or to upset Stocking.

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
In your case, but not mine. :)

i just have a stronger sense of humor, had i lost my left arm (actually, almost did due to an accident) i know my first comment was something around "Damn, good thing i wank righty" of course that was after the 'oh fuck, ouch, damnit.. bleeding.. assistance needed, etc"

Mr Bigglesworth

27-08-2003, 03:21 AM

Kyle

27-08-2003, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
I agree with that Kyle, but if one of your mates had a limb missing, you probably wouldn't make jokes about it?

It depends how close we were and how they'd coped with it...obviously i wouldnt if it would swing them into a deep, horrible depression, but if they'd had it for a long time and they were very close and accepted it i'd prolly end up saying something like "Hey...let's go do push ups" or something stupid like that at least once....i mean, it always depends on your audience

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by Asmodeus
point taken, but does that give me the right he be like hitler and a nazi regime of telling people what the can and cant joke about? no it doesn't. sure, someone can say 'i don't find that funny' to which point, if anyone cares they can change their behavior around that person, or say get over it, but the thing is, they don't have to change if its not needed. and then people want to spiral off and think that any mention of rape around a person is a threat. what a crock.

Yeah, I agree, I like loads of sick humour myself. However I wouldn't keep going on if someone had taken offence.

You walk into your mates hospital room where he's had his legs amputated. "Well at least you've lost weight." :D Might be funny, but not, IMO, under the circumstances?

If you can imagine making a joke about rape, and a woman starts crying. "What's the matter with you?" "Well, I got raped recently" "Get over it, I'm enjoying myself."

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
You walk into your mates hospital room where he's had his legs amputated. "Well at least you've lost weight." :D Might be funny, but not, IMO, under the circumstances?

If you can imagine making a joke about rape, and a woman starts crying. "What's the matter with you?" "Well, I got raped recently" "Get over it, I'm enjoying myself."

please re-read section on picking your audience and get back to me

remember, read the whole post before replying

Kyle

27-08-2003, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
If you can imagine making a joke about rape, and a woman starts crying. "What's the matter with you?" "Well, I got raped recently" "Get over it, I'm enjoying myself."

Raping her with humor, eh?

SOC

27-08-2003, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by MisterBishi
Maybe, but I don't think it was intended as a threat, or to upset Stocking.

No, I don't think it was either, but it *did* bother her, which is why I started this discussion. It's not an attack on anyone, just a general discussion about the tackiness or otherwise of such humour.

Originally posted by Bostonmess
So it would be ok to joke about rape if you were referring to yourself?

I think so, yes, but that is only my opinion. Other people may - and most definitely will - have differing opinions. And those who know me well will understand exactly how I feel on the subject of cancer, too. My point is that humour directed at putting yourself down is one thing, humour directed at others is something else.

Lord_Phat

27-08-2003, 03:26 AM

being the culprit who typed the ill famed words, i can categorically state that it was in no way a threat

and anyone who takes a threat, or supposed threat, on irc seriously is simply far too high strung...

i have been close to several people who have been raped or sexually abused, and the thing that most of them hate is being treated with kid gloves... more often than not they appreciate some candor and humour about the situation...

in short, i am sorry that offense was taken, but it is just little pixels forming words that had no ill intent...

i think it has been previously stated that it was flippant, so i'm not entirely sure why certain people seem so hot under the collar...

as for joking about rape... i feel you can joke about any topic... of course you have to be somewhat sensitive to the people you're around... given the rabble that normally accumulates in #zgeek, i feel that you can joke about absolutely anything in there :P

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by Kyle
It depends how close we were and how they'd coped with it...obviously i wouldnt if it would swing them into a deep, horrible depression, but if they'd had it for a long time and they were very close and accepted it i'd prolly end up saying something like "Hey...let's go do push ups" or something stupid like that at least once....i mean, it always depends on your audience

Yeah, that's exactly it IMO. Unfortunately on the internet, you might not know your audience that well. The only thing you can do is apologise and say you didn't mean any offence. Which is probably the case.

Of course you'll get people saying why should I apologise, well why not? Would it mean you lose your dignity or something? No one's in the wrong IMO, it's just that people are different.

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by Asmodeus
while true you have to pick your audience, but by extension, just becuas eone perosn in earshot doesn't find something funny does not mean you should feel bad about what you said, stop making jokes or even offer an appology. mostly, if they don't like it, they can mostly either get over it and take themselves less seriously and learn that its entertainment, or they can basically fuck off.

Yeah, what I mean is, if that one person starts boo hoo hooing because she is a victim of rape, I wouldn't say get over it, what's wrong with you? Everyone else is laughing. I would be more sensitive to their situation.

I get you now BTW, I just misunderstood :)

SOC

27-08-2003, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by Lord_Phat
being the culprit who typed the ill famed words, i can categorically state that it was in no way a threat
*snip*
in short, i am sorry that offense was taken, but it is just little pixels forming words that had no ill intent...
i think it has been previously stated that it was flippant, so i'm not entirely sure why certain people seem so hot under the collar...
as for joking about rape... i feel you can joke about any topic... of course you have to be somewhat sensitive to the people you're around... given the rabble that normally accumulates in #zgeek, i feel that you can joke about absolutely anything in there :P

Sorry if I seemed hot under the collar about it. But the comment *was* directed at my girlfriend and she *was* bothered by it. But I'm not looking to make a capital case out of I - which is why I started this thread to discuss the issue and the humour (or lack of it) concerning the topic, rather than pleading with Pirate and/or Mr Spingor to ban yer ass!!!:p

Apology accepted, by the way. This thread has been a good read with lots of veried opinions, and all of them are valid. But I think it's important to consider the feelings of the person such comments are directed toward when such comments are made. A little consideration for the feelings of others can go a long way.

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
Yeah, what I mean is, if that one person starts boo hoo hooing because she is a victim of rape, I wouldn't say get over it, what's wrong with you? Everyone else is laughing. I would be more sensitive to their situation.

I get you now BTW, I just misunderstood :)

Thats cool, we also come from different places culturaly. I don't know about where you are, but here, we have a large rash of the basic victim mentality where people refuse to get over things. Not cant, but wont. It becomes their whole life. all these people walking around for large parts of their life 'daddy touched me wierd once i think, woe is me, even at 40 i'm so damaged, etc" and so on and so on to the point now where we're entering a basklash of 'get over yourself already and take your bullshit over there' I won't start on teh whole issue of rape itself since i think last time something like that started it was an all out flame war.. but anyways.. over here, theres more of a "if X amount of time has ellapsed, get over it and move on' to the point now these types are teh butt of lots of our humor.

dozer

27-08-2003, 04:51 AM

do you get extra time to get over it if it was pack rape? anal? broken bones? ahh its always nice to make fun of the looser, nice.

personally i dont find it funny, nor do i find cancer funny having close friends/family that have been affected. but then again you have to choose your audience and time and place. i do understand why it can be considered funny but i also sense a growing feeling that people are beginning to make fun of serious issues, or maybe its their way of dealing with them, humour is supposed to be the best medicine.

but i dont agree with the ' youve had x amount of time to get over your x, time for me to lay in the boot again', thats just ignorance of the highest degree.

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 04:53 AM

We have victims here too (Wakefield, West Yorkshire, Uk (http://www.westgaterun.co.uk/)). I'm not a victim, so I'm not sure how victims react under certain circumstances. It's easy to say be strong get over it, to me that's the truth no matter how offensive someone else might find it. But I don't have the right to say that to someone, IMO, if I haven't been in their shoes, so to speak, as I don't know how it affected them.

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by dozer
do you get extra time to get over it if it was pack rape? anal? broken bones? ahh its always nice to make fun of the looser, nice.

personally i dont find it funny, nor do i find cancer funny having close friends/family that have been affected. but then again you have to choose your audience and time and place. i do understand why it can be considered funny but i also sense a growing feeling that people are beginning to make fun of serious issues, or maybe its their way of dealing with them, humour is supposed to be the best medicine.

but i dont agree with the ' youve had x amount of time to get over your x, time for me to lay in the boot again', thats just ignorance of the highest degree.

actually, you demonstrate your areas general levels of ignorance, illiteracy, knee jerk reactions, and not bothering to get the point, despite your strawman logical fallacy. go back, re-read and try again. maybe you can sound out the big words over 1 sylable, or look them up in a dictionary.

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
We have victims here too (Wakefield, West Yorkshire, Uk (http://www.westgaterun.co.uk/)). I'm not a victim, so I'm not sure how victims react under certain circumstances. It's easy to say be strong get over it, to me that's the truth no matter how offensive someone else might find it. But I don't have the right to say that to someone, IMO, if I haven't been in their shoes, so to speak, as I don't know how it affected them.

are you thinking of victims, or a victim mentality? T the victim mentality being the mentality where even a decent ways after the incident, they still just can't let it go. for example those those entire lives and identity seem to revolve around one singular event in their life, in this case, the time they were victimized. some further go on to use this to blame all of their problems on it, or the perpetrator of the victimization or a broad generalization of that group.

Nandragon

27-08-2003, 06:15 AM

<<victim

and let me just preface that by saying I agree with George Carlin. The North Pole MUST have more rape victims than the Equator.

2nd
I had a double amputee friend that used to tell me to come drag his ass across the floor and take him to the beauty parlor, he needed a pedicure!

(not a bf!)

The joke must not link the "victim" of said crime to it.
also note that it is NOT a good thing to tell death jokes at a funeral. :(

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by Asmodeus
are you thinking of victims, or a victim mentality? T the victim mentality being the mentality where even a decent ways after the incident, they still just can't let it go. for example those those entire lives and identity seem to revolve around one singular event in their life, in this case, the time they were victimized. some further go on to use this to blame all of their problems on it, or the perpetrator of the victimization or a broad generalization of that group.

I believe it's true that some people do have a victim mentality, but like I say, I've never really been a victim, well of something serious. So I don't know how it would affect me. Sure I would just like to get over whatever it was, but I can't guarantee I would be that strong.

Some things can drive people insane, if I had lived through the holocaust in a concentration camp I might be a very different person, I might cower every time I heard a German shout or, if you want to throw in a sick joke: have a phobia of getting a shower.

I think basically we agree with each other, I'm just taking your comments to the extreme. I do believe that people should be mentally stronger about things, but that all depends on what they've gone through, and having not experienced such extreme situations myself would find it easy to forgive them for it.

dozer

27-08-2003, 07:15 AM

i think i struck a nerve, but i do like your style. is a strawman like a scarecrow? as for illiteracy, i think syllable was the word you were looking for....

yes i do see your point, that some people dont seem to get over tramatic events in their lives, but why the fuck should they? who decides that x amount of time is ok? id love to know the formula used to work that out.

but if you are happy with them being the butt of lots of your humour then go right ahead.

scathing

27-08-2003, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by Mr Bigglesworth
Its very relevant!!!

I do not condone a male raping a female in any way, shape or form. However, if a case existed where a male clown was raped by a female I would probably find that funny.

And just for your info, the only reason why I dont categorically state that I hate rape of all forms is because im not aware of any cases where a woman raped a man. And a guy raping another guy is sodomy.....I also do not condone that.

So because it hasn't happened to your awareness, you haven't considered if its OK? So, even though you may not be aware of any situations where a three-headed donkey has raped a two year old boy, does that mean you as-of-yet do not have an opinion on it? Riiiiiight.

Take the time to think about a female raping a male. Sex between a male and a female doesn't necessarily mean that the guy sticks it to the chick (ask Poisonivy, since apparently she's into these other situations).

Even if the chick doesn't use a "toy" on the guy during the rape, for most people its the principle of unconsentual intercourse (and the psychological damage from the violation of the sanctity of any person's most private parts, regardless of gender) that offends people. Of course, that requires that you have principles in the first place.......

If the gender of the raper matters to you, pass me your details. I know of a couple of man-hating dykes who would just love to meet you. I think they'll be quite happy to bring their own broom handles, too.

Sodomy has nothing to do with consent (nor does it depend on the sex of the person on the receiving end) so I really can't see why you bother to mention it. Learn a new word, did we?

Bostonmess

27-08-2003, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by Mr Bigglesworth
However, if a case existed where a male clown was raped by a female I would probably find that funny.

If she was thrusting up and down on his nose and his nose was honking each thrust, so would I :D

scathing

27-08-2003, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Mr Bigglesworth
Someone wake me up when all the political correctness ends.

I don't know how you manage someone pointing out your general small-mindedness as political correctness. I'd love to know, however. It'd make a great work of fiction.

Druid's comment was not that what you said was wrong because it was offensive; he's asserting that you've got the intellectual capacity of a jellyfish because you're incapable of considering anything outside of your own personal experience.

johny_roberts

27-08-2003, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
If she was thrusting up and down on his nose and his nose was honking each thrust, so would I :D

...It would be even funnier if a group of midgets raped the clown...

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by dozer
i think i struck a nerve, but i do like your style. is a strawman like a scarecrow? as for illiteracy, i think syllable was the word you were looking for....

yes i do see your point, that some people dont seem to get over tramatic events in their lives, but why the fuck should they? who decides that x amount of time is ok? id love to know the formula used to work that out.

but if you are happy with them being the butt of lots of your humour then go right ahead.

I figure for most one time instances of things, like rape, beatings, etc, unless theres addons to it like a baby or VD, anything more than a year really starts to get in to the 'get over it' stage. you also lose the meaning where these peope thake the whole thing that they were victimized as their main portion of their identity.

lookup strawman under logical fallacies. essentially, take an arguement, make a parody of it then attack that.

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
If she was thrusting up and down on his nose and his nose was honking each thrust, so would I :D

you win the "I made asmo spray his drink all over his monitor in laugher" award this week

dozer

27-08-2003, 08:34 AM

cool theres the formula, 1 year for the basics with say 6 months or so for addons, have you ever considered a career in greif conselling?

and i did learn something new about the strawman argument, but since you have clarified your point i fail to see how i have created a strawman. my argument remains the same that it is impossible to quantify emotion, especially grief and then assign x amount of time to 'get over it'. the fact that you then say "these types are teh butt of lots of our humor" simply shows me you are ignorant to what that person has gone through, and IS STILL living with, but because you have decided they are past the alotted time they are fair game.

Asmodeus

27-08-2003, 08:43 AM

you haven't read the definition clearly enough, and are still doing it. you're not getting the point. keep reading and you might, then try replying.

dozer

27-08-2003, 08:50 AM

thats cool, im too busy calling my friends/family that havent gotten over their traumas in a year to hurry up about it.

Chrissy

27-08-2003, 09:18 AM

I really don't see how it's got anything to do with the amount of time people need to 'get over things'

Getting over the bad things that have happened to you, and moving on are two completely different things.

With time you gain a new perspective on events that happen to you.

Without giving specifics, and no, thankfully, I am not talking about a rape, something really shitty happened to me 4 years and 26 days ago.

It resulted in me suffering 3 1/2 years of crippling panic attacks, in some cases so bad that I couldn't leave the house. I was on drugs and had councelling to help me through it.

With time, I gained perspective on what happened. I wouldn't say I have 'got over' what happened to me, but I have moved on, and if someone were now to make a joke about a similar experience to what I had, I would, and have been able to laugh at it.

I will never forget my awful experience, I wouldn't wish what I went through on my worst enemy, but I can see that in a general context, what happened, does have comedy value.

pleed

27-08-2003, 10:25 AM

Although Rape is a terribly horrible thing, a joke is still a joke. Not meant to harm anyone, it's just there to make light of a bad thing.

It can make people temporaly forget about the pain and suffering and just smile.

one of the best rape jokes I heard was from a comedian. She said "i am so desperate, I don't think of it as rape, I call it 'Suprise Sex'". .:banana:

I don't know anyone who has been raped or sexually assulted, but I know good comedy.

Mr Bigglesworth

27-08-2003, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by scathing
he's asserting that you've got the intellectual capacity of a jellyfish because you're incapable of considering anything outside of your own personal experience.

Now isnt THAT a generalisation.........ascertaining the intelligence of an individual from one small post of about 30 words.

FYI, i know 3 women personally who have been raped, one of them was 8 at the time and is now just 16 years old, suffers severe depression and only told her mother this year she had been raped during a home invasion.

Dont we base all our humour and values on personal experiences??? this whole thread we have been discussing that different people find different things funny, that humour usually based on someones life experiences.

The only controversial thing ive said is that I would find a male clown being raped by a woman funny. Maybe if I knew a male clown it would be different....yes. If I find it funny, it doesnt make it right, I never argued it did.

Heres why I would find it funny:
- Imagine a clown, all dressed up with wig, nose, makeup, and really loose clothing, a guy who is supposed to make people laugh, getting raped by a macho woman. I find this funny, maybe its my infantile taste in humour, so fucking what!

Goat Boy

27-08-2003, 11:12 AM

Q) What is black and blue and doesn't like sex?

A) The kid in the trunk of my car.

Q) What is the difference between your grandma and a baby?

A) Your grandma doesn't die after being anally raped.

This is a thread to post rape jokes right? I couldn't be fucked reading all the previous pages. Right?

DJos

27-08-2003, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by pleed
Although Rape is a terribly horrible thing, a joke is still a joke. Not meant to harm anyone, it's just there to make light of a bad thing.

It can make people temporaly forget about the pain and suffering and just smile.

one of the best rape jokes I heard was from a comedian. She said "i am so desperate, I don't think of it as rape, I call it 'Suprise Sex'". .:banana:

I don't know anyone who has been raped or sexually assulted, but I know good comedy.

Pleed, I must confess I find that joke mildly humorous but I doubt someone who has been raped would!

Rape would have to be the worst form of personal violation possible and imo is not generally an approriate subject for Jokes.

BlueBoy

27-08-2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by DJos
Pleed, I must confess I find that joke mildly humorous but I doubt someone who has been raped would!

Rape would have to be the worst form of personal violation possible and imo is not generally an approriate subject for Jokes.

It's funny because it's self-deprecating! :D

DJos

27-08-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by BlueBoy
It's funny because it's self-deprecating! :D

true, but from memory I doubt the female comedian that sprouted this joke was "Actually" raped.

27-08-2003, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by pleed
Although Rape is a terribly horrible thing, a joke is still a joke. Not meant to harm anyone, it's just there to make light of a bad thing.

Yeah, I think what this thread has shown is that some people can laugh at it and some can't.

I don't really find jokes about things like that funny. I don't mind laughing at disabled or retarded people though. It's all a matter of opinion...

Goat Boy

27-08-2003, 02:16 PM

I really suggest all of you watch Vulgar (http://www.imdb.com/Title?0120467).

It shows the sad side to clown rape. :confused:

It's got Dante from Clerks in it. Here (http://www.geocities.com/gamut_mag/vulgar.htm) is a decent review of it.

Trailer here (http://www.vulgarthemovie.com/)

It's all fun and games until you need to clean the blood out of your clown suit.

Stop Clown Porn Now! (http://www.stopclownpornnow.org/clownporn/bannedlinks.html)

Poisonivy

27-08-2003, 05:59 PM

I guess someone who hasn't experienced it would find it easy to find the humour in it. The simple fact of the matter is, this is too much of a senstive subject to really joke about in general, in my opinion anyway.

I still have trouble reading the word let alone saying it and it's been at least 5 years since the last time. Yes, this has happened to me more than once.

If I were you I wouldn't joke about this in my presence (this includes online presence).

~ Poisonivy ~

huwbacca

27-08-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Goat Boy
I really suggest all of you watch Vulgar (http://www.imdb.com/Title?0120467).

It shows the sad side to clown rape. :confused:

WTF Silent Bob (Kevin Smith) has short hair and no beard. :eek:

kré

27-08-2003, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by pleed
one of the best rape jokes I heard was from a comedian. She said "i am so desperate, I don't think of it as rape, I call it 'Suprise Sex'". .:banana:

i've heard david spade, dana carvey and judith lucy use the same line :)

Tintin

27-08-2003, 09:26 PM

I did a joke about rape in a stand-up comedy gig recently. It is hard to gauge how it went because I had long died by that stage. My heart wasn't in it that night. I got a stunned silence from the audience.

The (true) joke went like this:

"A friend of ours was telling my parents and I how a female friend of hers was walking in St. Kilda. Suddenly, the woman was attacked by a man who was trying to sexually assault her. Unfortunately for the would-be rapist, the woman had a black belt in karate and beat the man to a pulp and left him at the side of the footpath. What worried me was my parents response:

'Poor guy, he just wanted to have a little fun'".

Naiad

27-08-2003, 10:01 PM

I say the making of jokes about said subject fits in with the general theory on life:

Do whatever you want, so long as nobody gets hurt.

If you think something - anything - in your head is going to be the funniest joke the world has ever heard and there is someone with you or around you who is going to be hurt by it - keep it to yourself.

Some things just cannot be funny to some people and may really seriously upset them, so leave them be.

The very idea of rape disgusts me. The utter maggots who actually do these sorts of things need sound thrashings with bricks around the genital region. People who like to watch such things in pr0n (and I've discovered some in post-LAN cleaning) need to be smacked in the head. No - it's fucked. I don't care if it's faked - it's fucked and it totally scares me that people find it arousing.

:grr:

locust

27-08-2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Bifrost

The very idea of rape disgusts me. [...] People who like to watch such things in pr0n (and I've discovered some in post-LAN cleaning) need to be smacked in the head. No - it's fucked. I don't care if it's faked - it's fucked and it totally scares me that people find it arousing.

(Ob-Disclaimer: Yeah, drifting OT, and I want to be very clear that I don't think rape is ever close to okay, and not suggesting that girls might "want it" or any such thing).

Where do girls and guys with fantasies of being raped fit into your thinking?

Goat Boy

27-08-2003, 11:19 PM

It really sucks when you go for a bad taste joke and the audience there at that moment is no the right one.

Case in point is when you do the “er, ya mum” retort only to remember their mum is dead. Always hard to come back from.

Personally, I think any topic is fair game for jokes. Humour is a human coping mechanism for tragedy. We attempt to laugh at horrible events to distance ourselves and remove some the power the unfortunate event has over us.

It was a Woody Allen line that went “Comedy is tragedy plus time.” The amount of time is always going to differ from person to person.

asskickergod

28-08-2003, 12:56 AM

Hey, lets make a master list of all the topics that someone could find offensive. Then we can ban all conversations that have anything to do with those subjects as not to offend anyones frail sensibilities. Sure all the posts on the forums will only consist of the word "the" and nothing else, but at least no one will be offended.

kré

28-08-2003, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by asskickergod
Hey, lets make a master list of all the topics that someone could find offensive. Then we can ban all conversations that have anything to do with those subjects as not to offend anyones frail sensibilities. Sure all the posts on the forums will only consist of the word "the" and nothing else, but at least no one will be offended.

i'm offended by the use of the word 'the'

lets make it an empty forum :)

utopian

28-08-2003, 01:04 AM

Here (http://forums.zgeek.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11046) is an article detailing why people find things offensive. It's an in depth look at the human psyche and its reaction to memories being brought up.

asskickergod

28-08-2003, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by cray
i'm offended by the use of the word 'the'

lets make it an empty forum :)

Damn it cray! I'm going to anally rape you by driving a freight train full of burning coal right up your ass. Then I'm going to turn that son of a bitch around and drive it back out again.

nosedog

28-08-2003, 01:18 AM

"Cray's arse ... tickets please"

asskickergod

28-08-2003, 01:22 AM

I think I can. I think I can....

sagit

28-08-2003, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Poisonivy
I guess someone who hasn't experienced it would find it easy to find the humour in it. The simple fact of the matter is, this is too much of a senstive subject to really joke about in general, in my opinion anyway.

I still have trouble reading the word let alone saying it and it's been at least 5 years since the last time. Yes, this has happened to me more than once.

If I were you I wouldn't joke about this in my presence (this includes online presence).

~ Poisonivy ~

agreed. i personally find a mutual exclusivity in the use of the words "joking" and "rape" in such close proximity, if that makes sense.

Jaz

28-08-2003, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by asskickergod
George Carlin says......

To hear the audio for this:

George Carlin - Rape Can Be Funny.mpthree (http://members.optushome.com.au/jaz99/George Carlin - Rape Can Be Funny.mpthree)

(rename the file, web admins have "issues" with mp3s :)

Bostonmess

28-08-2003, 02:57 AM

Originally posted by Bifrost
People who like to watch such things in pr0n (and I've discovered some in post-LAN cleaning) need to be smacked in the head. No - it's fucked. I don't care if it's faked - it's fucked and it totally scares me that people find it arousing.

:grr:

Do not some women find the idea of rape sexually arousing? Obviously they don't want their heads bashing in etc. but I have heard that some do. I have never met anyone I know of admit this and I find it quite unbelievable that someone might. I've heard it said as "Rape, but in a nice way" WTF that means I don't know.

Jaz

28-08-2003, 03:18 AM

Nandragon

28-08-2003, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by Jaz
Probably just as like normal pr0n. A woman just waits. Some guy with a big dick arrives and sticks it in her, no foreplay needed.

Ahahahahahaha!

Sounds like the last 13yrs of MY LIFE!

LMAO

scathing

28-08-2003, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Bifrost
The very idea of rape disgusts me. The utter maggots who actually do these sorts of things need sound thrashings with bricks around the genital region. People who like to watch such things in pr0n need to be smacked in the head. No - it's fucked. I don't care if it's faked - it's fucked and it totally scares me that people find it arousing.

I've heard the same thing said about almost every "perversion" (such as cross-dressing, or even oral sex).

r0p3 g1rl

28-08-2003, 09:04 AM

Each to their own! I think a lot of people joke about rape and other sensitive topics because they don’t really know any other way of dealing with it. I don’t think rape jokes are wrong, but directing them at someone is. And before any of the girls jump on my back I was raped within the last 6 months and no it wasn’t the first time.

I prefer to see the up side of life rather than hanging on to the crap. I don’t laugh at rape jokes and I don’t personally fine them funny, but I’m not going to worry about stupid jokes people make over the net or in real life.

You can’t expect people to know you’ve been rape and there for not tell certain jokes around you. I’ve had an abortion, people make jokes about abortions all the time and I don’t let it worry me. Being worried, upset or hurt by something is a choice, I choose not to let it bother me. Their jokes!!

I think the only topic, which is off limits for jokes and I find very offensive, is paedophilia jokes.

angel_b

28-08-2003, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by asskickergod
Hey, lets make a master list of all the topics that someone could find offensive. Then we can ban all conversations that have anything to do with those subjects as not to offend anyones frail sensibilities. Sure all the posts on the forums will only consist of the word "the" and nothing else, but at least no one will be offended.
My sentiments exactly - well said, AKG.

http://www.crayonline.com/smilies/werd.gif

r0p3 g1rl

28-08-2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by asskickergod
Hey, lets make a master list of all the topics that someone could find offensive. Then we can ban all conversations that have anything to do with those subjects as not to offend anyones frail sensibilities. Sure all the posts on the forums will only consist of the word "the" and nothing else, but at least no one will be offended.

But just make sure its "the" and not "teh" :rolleyes:

DJos

28-08-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by r0p3 g1rl
I was raped within the last 6 months and no it wasn’t the first time.

r0p3 g1rl, I don't know the circumtances so feel free to tell me to f'off, but maybe you need a change of scene to avoid the type of male 's who would perpetrate this unforgivable type of personal invasion.

I honestly cant imagine why some men would force themselves on a woman, the very thought of it fills me with revulsion.

r0p3 g1rl

28-08-2003, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by DJos
r0p3 g1rl, I don't know the circumtances so feel free to tell me to f'off, but maybe you need a change of scene to avoid the type of male 's who would perpetrate this unforgivable type of personal invasion.

I honestly cant imagine why some men would force themselves on a woman, the very thought of it fills me with revulsion.

I'm moving on the 22nd of next month :D

DJos

28-08-2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by r0p3 g1rl
I'm moving on the 22nd of next month :D

Sounds like good idea, best 'o luck in your new place :)

sciwra

28-08-2003, 08:01 PM

Hmm, if you don't know someone well enough to know how they feel on some topics, or you feel the need to ask the question "Is this offensive" then it probably is so shut the fuck up and keep it to yourself.

On saying that, in some groups there is no taboo topic. Sometimes it can be good to have a group where you can say what you want about anything, just be careful that you're not to loud etc about it... such as sending a mass email to the entire university after hacking a mates email account and discussing the virtues of incest, bestiality, paedo, orgies, bondage and defacation during the party on Saturday night....

Let's just say it was not taken well and the idiot who did it didn't get a day further in their degree.

Oh and ropeys moving, how will I go on!

Nuf said. No hang on.... lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala

Now it's enough.

Naiad

28-08-2003, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by scathing
I've heard the same thing said about almost every "perversion" (such as cross-dressing, or even oral sex).
Fair call and you're right - many people believe that cross-dressers and people who have sex in anything other than the missionary position need their heads smacked in, but obviously, people who think this are losers.

Seriously - who gets hurt when someone dresses as the opposite sex? Not so long ago women were shunned (and even attacked and beaten) because they chose to wear pants.

Rape porn is the same thing as snuff porn - people who get off on watching others actually die (the only difference being snuff porn cannot be faked by definition).

FUCK THAT.

If people are getting forcibly hurt, raped, killed etc, then it is utterly fucked and I stand by what I said.

I would also point out that there are precious few (if any) quality actors in porn and if some of the shit that I have deleted was "faked", then I am the world's largest mollusc.

scathing

28-08-2003, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Bifrost
Fair call and you're right - many people believe that cross-dressers and people who have sex in anything other than the missionary position need their heads smacked in, but obviously, people who think this are losers.

In your opinion they're losers, which is just as valid as people who think cross dressers or fags are losers too. As you say, there was a time where it wasn't socially acceptable. The majority, in those times, would think you were a complete loser who needs their nuts smashed with bricks

Not for hurt reasons, but more for moral / religious decay. I mean, if two 5 year olds were to have sex it wouldn't "hurt" them in a physical sense. Psychological trauma is so subjective - one person's mental fuckup is another person's motivation. For some people, a near death experience breaks their spirit and leaves them a wreck. For others, it increases the value they hold to life, and motivates them to wring every last second out of it.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but that doesn't necessarily make it right. Nor is correctness statistical - just because everyone else says its right doesn't necessarily mean its right (as you well know).

scathing

28-08-2003, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
Do not some women find the idea of rape sexually arousing? Obviously they don't want their heads bashing in etc. but I have heard that some do. I have never met anyone I know of admit this and I find it quite unbelievable that someone might.

No, its quite true. There are women that get off on the thought of it, and some that will have it acted out.

"Play rape" is, of course, consentual though. Someone might express an interest with some one (or a group) that they can trust, and one night it'll get done. She won't know when, where, or who (in the latter case), so it can have quite a bit of realism.

For the others, where she knows the other person, its like any other kind of role playing. Either getting jumped in the street, or a "date rape" scene.

For the most part, they might like the idea (and so they'll play). The real situation, for the most part, probably won't do it for them.

Mattryx

28-08-2003, 09:02 PM

I doubt the people who think rape funny now will laugh about it after they have either experienced it, or dealt with a rape victim.

For me, its like cancer. Even silly spur of the moment jokes about cancer are enough to make me fly into a rage. I'll often say that you cannot offend or upset me, unless you make a moronic comment about cancer like "cancer is good, it helps to keep the population down."

I think rape is the same, I have made the occasional comment about rape in jest. Only to my mates (we use the term "rape some sense into you") though, I would never think of even mentioning it to most people. Its just one of those subjects.

katana

28-08-2003, 09:36 PM

Given the time and place I don't think there is any subject you can't joke about. It all depends on the way it is contectualised. I tend to deal with all subjects good or bad with humour.

BlueBoy

28-08-2003, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by katana
Given the time and place I don't think there is any subject you can't joke about. It all depends on the way it is contectualised. I tend to deal with all subjects good or bad with humour.

katana has summed up in three sentances how I feel on the subject.

Well done, sport. :)

Naiad

28-08-2003, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by scathing
In your opinion they're losers, which is just as valid as people who think cross dressers or fags are losers too. As you say, there was a time where it wasn't socially acceptable. The majority, in those times, would think you were a complete loser who needs their nuts smashed with bricks

Not for hurt reasons, but more for moral / religious decay. I mean, if two 5 year olds were to have sex it wouldn't "hurt" them in a physical sense. Psychological trauma is so subjective - one person's mental fuckup is another person's motivation. For some people, a near death experience breaks their spirit and leaves them a wreck. For others, it increases the value they hold to life, and motivates them to wring every last second out of it.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but that doesn't necessarily make it right. Nor is correctness statistical - just because everyone else says its right doesn't necessarily mean its right (as you well know).
True - there are no absolutes. But if you're suggesting that in the future, rape will have the same level of acceptance as cross-dressing or blowjobs, then I have to disagree.

Sure, everything I say on this site is my opinion and nothing more, but I think you will be hard-pressed to find too many people in the world who will say "Rape? Yeah, sure - let people do whatever they want." It's kind of like saying that in the future, the government will pass laws allowing us to kill whopmever we want to just because we feel like it.

Nothing is impossible, but these things are extremely improbable.

asskickergod

29-08-2003, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by Mattryx
I doubt the people who think rape funny now will laugh about it after they have either experienced it, or dealt with a rape victim.

I'm sure people who had a relative recently die don't appreciate your tag line of "Fisting the Dead" either.

scathing

29-08-2003, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Bifrost
True - there are no absolutes. But if you're suggesting that in the future, rape will have the same level of acceptance as cross-dressing or blowjobs, then I have to disagree.

There was a time in the past when rape was acceptable. And you know how fashion is - everything that's old eventually becomes trendy again.

My point is that its a matter of perspective. I use your perversion as a prime example. If you tried that shit on in the 50's, people would think you were a degenerate. If you asked someone, of that time, if they thought cross-dressing would ever be acceptable, they'd tell you that it'd be when society goes to hell in a handbasket (kinda like you thinking that rape will only ever be decriminalised at around that point).

I'm not saying it will or won't happen. I'm just pointing out that, given your hobbies, you're not one to talk about what's right and wrong when it comes to people's mentalities. Not so long ago, you'd be on the wrong end of socially acceptable.

pleed

29-08-2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by asskickergod
I'm sure people who had a relative recently die don't appreciate your tag line of "Fisting the Dead" either.

I am sure some caucasion people might get offended with your "salty cracker" tag line too.

angel_b

29-08-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by pleed
I am sure some caucasion people might get offended with your "salty cracker" tag line too.
But AKG's not the one taking the moral high ground.

Mattryx

29-08-2003, 03:32 PM

Moral high ground? hahahHAEHaEHrhahr

I'm not taking moral high ground anywhere. Simply making an observation that people might find "terrible" things amusing, until they experience it.

As for the Fisting The Dead line, its a song title. Construe it literally if you like. :)

asskickergod

30-08-2003, 01:36 AM

After Pleed's and Mattryx's last comments it safe to say that this thread no longer makes any sense.

angel_b

30-08-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Mattryx
Moral high ground? hahahHAEHaEHrhahr

I'm not taking moral high ground anywhere. Simply making an observation that people might find "terrible" things amusing, until they experience it.

As for the Fisting The Dead line, its a song title. Construe it literally if you like. :)
You total dick! My mother died suddenly and tragically 5 years ago. I don't find your "fisting the dead" line offensive. And I currently have my periods, and I don't find your "knee deep in menstrual blood" line offensive either.

Life's a joke ... get over it.

BTW, nice image AKG :D

Mattryx

30-08-2003, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by angel_b
You total dick! My mother died suddenly and tragically 5 years ago. I don't find your "fisting the dead" line offensive. And I currently have my periods, and I don't find your "knee deep in menstrual blood" line offensive either.

Thats good. I don't think its relevant though.

Life's a joke ... get over it.
That's rather curious, just what am I supposed to be under?

It seems to me you may have misunderstood what I was saying. But its all good, I confuse myself sometimes.

`~ThE-|-OnE~`

26-09-2003, 01:38 AM

What about false offence??

I usually go drinking with two different sets of people. The first set is friends from late high school and all that, the other is my long term friends who I have known for ages.

Now talking about rape jokes (if such a thing should exist), the only time I have ever heard one is when you refer to a really attractive (and therefore, assumeably, unattainable) woman with the statement "I'd give HER a rape". As in, sex with said woman is worthy of a jail sentence.

Now just in the company of these two particular sets of gentleman, there are two totally different responses. The guys who Ive known for a while and who all trust each other might laugh and some might say "dirty" etc, but it stops there. The ones known recently and still unsure of each other treat it like a moral f*cking crime. And just wont let up. Its like their mum died or something.

What that makes me think is some people are not always offended, but scared of not being seen as offended lest it demonstrate some lack of integrity or empathy. I am a sympathetic and sensitive person who has seen some trauma in his life, I dont pretend to be the Dalai Lama but I appreciate that some people get offended easily. So when making jokes I pick my audience carefully.

I just think that sometimes people are offended less for their own sake, but more so as to look bad in the eyes of others. And I reckon thats BS.

Comments??

utopian

26-09-2003, 01:52 AM

Long time, no see, Luke. The long term friends know your sense of humour, they've grown up with you and know when you're joking. You feel more comfortable with these people and can say pretty much anything around them.

The other people don't know all your little quirks and you may be unsure of what can and can't be said around them. Sometimes you go out on a limb, and depending on the current situation you'll either get shot down or appreciated.

People who get offended on other people's behalves need to be shot. It's like telling the "How many Jews can you fit in a VW beetle?" joke. Some people will laugh, some people will say "I don't find that funny" and there's a third group who will say "OMG HOW CAN YOU MAKE JOKES ABOUT THAT, THE JEWS WERE EXTERMINATED BY AN EVIL EVIL MAN AND EVEN THOUGH I WAS NOT THERE AND AM NOT JEWISH OR GERMAN I AM HORRIBLY OFFENDED AT YOUR EVEN MENTIONING THIS EVENT!!"

These people are generally too insecure about themselves and feel that they need to stand up for everyone else, regardless of what's going on.

The worst part is that these people do exist within Zgeek.

the_mexican_one

27-09-2003, 05:01 PM

According to Jeorge Carlin "you can joke about anything including rape. Just imagine porky pig raping Elmer Fudd. Why do you think he's called porky.":banana:

RASPUTIN

29-09-2003, 02:20 PM

Interesting discussion, as it has been said it a personal thing. I personally see nothing funny in rape jokes BUT I have heard a few that have been amusing. Goes with everything really. I was asked what did I buy my dad for Fathers day. I said topsoil. (he is dead) My workmate went quiet for a second until I laughed and said he is dead.

Still, I have yet to hear a peodophile joke that I have found amusing. I am sure one day I will hear one that might give me a chuckle.

FireHart

10-10-2003, 03:27 AM

yes

katana

10-10-2003, 06:52 PM

Still, I have yet to hear a peodophile joke that I have found amusing.

This one works better visually but.

Why do alter boys have their hair parted down the middle??

The preist is standing sweeping his hands from the middle to the outer edge saying "Now were not going to tell anybody about this,are we"

AntZ

10-10-2003, 11:19 PM

I know that I am not particularly sensitive to other peoples needs, and stuff like that, but I generally subscribe to the "its only words" theorem.

Though this does remind me a bit of an article I read for an online game I used to play.

The article is here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/magiconline/oped101003).

The main part it reminded me of, and is most appropriate in this case is probably this quote here.

So I took this to one more level of removal: If I was at a club with a group of people, and one person made a rude comment to someone else that I took exception to, what would I do?

First, I'd let that person know I thought his behavior was inappropriate. He may not have realized he was being offensive -- what bothers some people might not bother others. This is especially common in such a diverse population as we have on Magic Online. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and, for the most part, I'm not usually disappointed.

But what if the person doesn't care? Well, then I obviously have no reason to associate with the person. The rest of the group may even tell me that I'm being overly sensitive, which gives me a chance to reevaluate my own behavior.

If I don't like what someone in the group is talking about, I wouldn't call the owner of the club and ask her to remove the person -- that's a bit extreme. I do, however, have the option of ignoring the person, as does every other person in the group. And, if most of the group comes down on someone for his or her behavior, the situation usually resolves itself.

Bringing this back to Magic Online, sure I'd like to never have to deal with people who are inconsiderate and rude. (Then again, I'd also like to find a parking space near the doors at IKEA on a weekend -- possible, but unlikely.) But my definition of inappropriate behavior may be different than yours. Unless a player goes completely over the line or continues to harass me after I've made it clear how I feel, there's no reason to "take it to the authorities."

What did I finally decide? I blocked him.

I have found that unless someone is continually trying very obviously to be offensive, then it is normally in the best to just shrug off the comment and continue with the rest of the conversation. If enough people are offended at the comment, the offender will hear about and and depending on how thick he is will eventually figure the comment was out of line and modify his behaviour accordingly.