Patriots Blow

[dredz]

Give me any and all reasons why the U.S.A. Patriot Act either sucks or kicks ass....for those who are unfamiliar with it feel free to brush up by checking it out here (http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html)

i think the glossary section will give you an idea ....this stuff is so freaky,....this stuff is what'll prove to be the deciding factor in whether i leave america for vacation,...or i leave america to keep breathing....i didn't used to have a beef with john ashcroft or donald rumsfield....but i'll be damned they want me to get good and pissed off...:swear:

[iaidoka]

All patriotism sucks.

The germans and japanese soldiers were being blind patriots for their countries leaders.. look where it got them

Apathy. the peaceful mindset.

[Ins0mniac]

"In the two years since law enforcement agencies gained fresh powers to help them track down and punish terrorists, police and prosecutors have increasingly turned the force of the new laws not on al-Qaida cells, but on people charged with common crimes. ... Civil liberties and legal defense groups are bothered by the string of cases, and say the government soon will be routinely using harsh anti-terrorism laws against run-of-the-mill lawbreakers. 'Within six months of passing the Patriot Act, the Justice Department was conducting seminars on how to stretch the new wiretapping provisions to extend them beyond terror cases,' said Dan Dodson, a spokesman for the National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys. 'They say they want the Patriot Act to fight terrorism, then, within six months, they are teaching their people how to use it on ordinary citizens.'"

Here (http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0903/102427.html)

[utopian]

Originally posted by iaidoka
The germans and japanese soldiers were being blind patriots for their countries leaders.. look where it got them
Pretty much the same place as the ANZACs in World War I, right?

It's one thing to be proud of your country, but it's another to be bigoted towards others because of it.

[angel_b]

Two words ... Nineteen Eighty-Four. :mad:

[dredz]

as soon as we figure a way around the entire Anarchy thing, i believe we should abolish the entire idea of having individual nations or countries,...that would take care of patriotism at most all levels,...just don't know how we'd govern that, if we didn't have a government,...it is quite annoying i must say,...can't live with it,...because the black ops will take you out and make it look like an accident...and can't live without it, cuz everybody else will try to kill you...

[Ins0mniac]

"Coming on the heels of Attorney General John Ashcroft's summer tour to promote the Patriot Act, President Bush is pushing to expand government powers with Patriot Act II. But experts say the government's assertions about what the first Patriot covers constitute outright deception of the public. ... the government has 'repeatedly made false statements about the Patriot Act, presumably to deceive listeners into thinking the act gives the government less unilateral power than it actually does.'"

here (http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,60541,00.html)

[Ins0mniac]

"The Bush administration, which calls the USA Patriot Act perhaps its most essential tool in fighting terrorists, has begun using the law with increasing frequency in many criminal investigations that have little or no connection to terrorism. The government is using its expanded authority under the far-reaching law to investigate suspected drug traffickers, white-collar criminals, blackmailers, child pornographers, money launderers, spies and even corrupt foreign leaders, federal officials said. ... critics of the administration's antiterrorism tactics assert that such use of the law is evidence the administration has sold the American public a false bill of goods, using terrorism as a guise to pursue a broader law enforcement agenda."

here (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/politics/28LEGA.html?ex=1065326400&en=921f1a1f77eaaaa0&ei=5 062&partner=GOOGLE)

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[tikdoph]

Originally posted by Ins0mniac
"Coming on the heels of Attorney General John Ashcroft's summer tour to promote the Patriot Act, President Bush is pushing to expand government powers with Patriot Act II...

And, as usual, the sequel was worse than 1.

[FireHart]

Originally posted by angel_b
Two words ... Nineteen Eighty-Four. :mad:

[Wizard of Oz]

Ins0mniac said:

The government is using its expanded authority under the far-reaching law to investigate suspected drug traffickers, white-collar criminals, blackmailers, child pornographers, money launderers, spies and even corrupt foreign leaders, federal officials said.

.. just checking .. so these things shouldn't be pursued with all the vigour of any and every law available ?? .. these people don't deserve to be found out and prosecuted ?? .. these people affect our daily lives and our children's lives to a much greater extent than any terrorist ..