B&R is a joke. [Archive]

utopian

20-09-2003, 12:57 AM

This forum is a fucking joke these days. It ends up exactly the same as "General". We're not allowed to have flame wars unless all parties concerned have given their permission in ONE THREAD that we're allowed to flame in.

Personal drama is to be kept to private messages, emails and instant messenging programs. We're not allowed to ridicule people in the forums anymore because it's a personal attack. If someone is dumb enough to post something that annoys me on the forums, then I deserve to be able to tell them on the forums that they're a jackarse.

Forum elitism is no longer allowed, except for a select few who can get away with it. We're not allowed to flame newbies who come along and say "hurrr hay guys i just found this awesome site on the ineternet" and post a link to yahoo or google or some shit like that. Newbie flaming is what kept the idiots out, and now we've practically been overrun.

ZGeek is no longer a website for geeks. You post something about maths or science and people troll your thread going "lol i dunt no maths hur hur hur 1 + 1 = a window WAFFLEROMEO". ZGeek is now a site for people who have figured out how to turn their computer on and mash their fists on the keyboard.

B&R has been "worksafe-ified" so that these people can come into the place to vent and swear without having to read any nasty language. Sure, we've got the "Super duper whizz bang turbocharged flaming thread" thread, and the "Massive Fucking Swearing" thread, but you can't try and confine the best parts of a forum to one or two threads. The rest of the forum turns to "General".

The same sort of thing has happened to "Discussions" in that two (or more) people who are passionately arguing opposing sides of a thread are told to stop their petty bickering and to go to the "Quantum Physics and Applied Flaming" thread if they want to continue it. While I can appreciate that personal flaming needs to be put in the right place (such as flame wars smattered throughout B&R), passionate arguing should be tolerated and in fact encouraged. This gives people the chance to say what's on their minds.

But I digress. Is it so hard to acknowledge that people piss each other off, and that every once in a while we'd like to be able to voice our disdain of other members? A lot of shit gets bottled up inside and comes out in the form of sly comments in serious threads and in IRC. Without a proper place to let off steam, the pressure becomes immense and it affects the dynamic of the site.

B&R is a place where people to come to scream obscenities at each other and to fuck around. We can all appreciate that it's just an internet argument and doesn't really hold any weight in real life. It's not as though there are people who consider this site to be the quintessence of their life. Anyone who does is a retarded fuckwit and needs to be reality checked by a hockey player on Ritalin.

kleph

20-09-2003, 01:05 AM

when i got my tin star and god-like moderator powers i was under the impression that ALL threads are governed by the rules agreed to upon registration. thus no deliberate trolling, no personal attacks and so forth does apply to the B&R thread.

but rants like yours above seem to fit perfectly well here. what's the problem?

utopian

20-09-2003, 01:10 AM

B&R is the place to be for personal attacks. Some of the new rules suck in ways that French hookers could only dream of.

There should be a forum where personal attacks and intentional trolling are permitted. Just so people like me who need to get shit off their chest can do it. I have a feeling there's enough BDSMsters who wouldn't mind having their eyes raped and their ears boxed.

BlueBoy

20-09-2003, 01:18 AM

I agree with the comment on the Discussions forum.

Modding rules should be more lax in that forum. As long as posts remain on-topic they should stand.

Bitching and Rants is as I see it a place to vent. I don't see it as a PvP forum. That's Discussions.

rickbitch

20-09-2003, 01:27 AM

STOP YA FOUL WHINING YA FILTHY PIECE OF DISTENDED RECTUM! :p

Ummm, what exact problem do you have with the discussions forum? There is a difference between petty bickering and passionate arguing, and I have to point out that the discussions forum is for logical and calm debate. Someone constantly repeating his/her own position and calling someone else names is not logical and calm debate, especially when they bring personal circumstance into it.

utopian

20-09-2003, 01:35 AM

So where does one go for aggravated debate where everything is no holds barred?

Why, to the Bitching and Flower Arrangement forum of course.

Fuck this watered down bullshit. If I want to flame someone for being a candidate for an honorary membership of the International Society for Down's Syndrome, I should be allowed to. If they're spouting the most retarded crap from their mouth and believe every single word of it, and will refuse to budge on their stance, then they deserve to be flamed for the moron they are.

Edit: Debate rarely ends up being calm. Have you ever watched "Question Time"? I doubt those guys have stupid pink fluffy rules to abide by. "This is Australia, boys. Go get 'em. Show 'em yer teeth".

robotoverflow

20-09-2003, 01:44 AM

Right on. Flaming, trolling and personal attacks are what keep a forum interesting. Sure, it'd be fun to have more of us here, but not at the cost of freedom of speech. If you don't like someones opinion, then ignore it. Use common sense. I mean, i'm glad that the general concensus here is that we want to welcome new people, but we have to realise that there are those of us who are a little too thin-skinned. If you can't take a joke, get out. If you don't like the fact that someone has a different opinion than yours, get out. The more the merrier, but not if all we have to talk about is the fucking weather.

Conny!

20-09-2003, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by utopian

Forum elitism is no longer allowed, except for a select few who can get away with it. We're not allowed to flame newbies who come along and say "hurrr hay guys i just found this awesome site on the ineternet" and post a link to yahoo or google or some shit like that. Newbie flaming is what kept the idiots out, and now we've practically been overrun.

ZGeek is no longer a website for geeks. You post something about maths or science and people troll your thread going "lol i dunt no maths hur hur hur 1 + 1 = a window WAFFLEROMEO". ZGeek is now a site for people who have figured out how to turn their computer on and mash their fists on the keyboard.

I take offense to some of these comments. Shit you should allow some exceptions. I'm a newbie and i wouldn't really give a shit if you started flaming me.. as long as it stayed in the Bitching and Ranting Forum.

But also i think that i'm not a person who mashes fuckin buttons. Fuck, i've spent the last week writing in fucking assembly. Now thats something that should be bitched about.

But i agree, there should be some place where constructive backlash should be tolerated.

utopian

20-09-2003, 01:46 AM

Sambellina

20-09-2003, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by utopian
ZGeek is now a site for people who have figured out how to turn their computer on and mash their fists on the keyboard.

aahh the irony!

Mash their fists on the keyboard or maybe string a few sentences together just to be able to argue for the sake of it - the same thing when it comes down to crunch Utop ;)

robotoverflow

20-09-2003, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by St. Anger
I take offense to some of these comments. Shit you should allow some exceptions. I'm a newbie and i wouldn't really give a shit if you started flaming me.. as long as it stayed in the Bitching and Ranting Forum.

As Utop said, "Newbie flaming is what kept the idiots out". That doesn't mean that we strive to get rid of EVERY noob, just the ones who are as thick as a really thick object. Everyone is a noob at some stage, so theres no point in sobbing about being flamed because you're a noob, because it's something that EVERYONE goes through.

utopian

20-09-2003, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by kleph
attacking someone simply because they are new is insipid. period.
I'm not talking about flaming every newbie who signs up, I'm talking about flaming the retarded ones who after numerous chances to show that they're not paint-sniffing hobos continue to fuck up and post retarded shit. We were all new at one stage (except Pirate, because he's older than creation or some shit), and for me to advocate open flaming of every new member based solely on registration date would be stupid.

passionate arguing is one thing, flaming someone you disagree with is another. keep the forumer in discussion and the latter in B&R. what's the problem?
The problem is when someone's acting like a jerk and we're expected to "take it outside, you two". If it's legitimate (yet heated) discussion it shouldn't be moderated, as it interrupts the flow. That and the fact that sometimes you get some five star comedy from seeing Grumblefish or Asskickergod beat their opponents' points into the ground, followed closely by their faces.

firstly, the forums are not irc. don't expect the rules and behavior typical of the two to be able to carry over at all. sly comments are fine, personal dislike is fine but direct attacks are verboden. period. my advice is examine what it is about the other member that pisses you off and, if it's still that important, spend your time addressing that when you see it in their posts.
Wow, no kidding. IRC isn't the forums? And here's me thinking all along that Pirate created IRC as some sort of real time chat forum. A lot of people who are in IRC are also forum members. Stuff happens on IRC, stuff happens on the forums. The two things affect each other. If someone posts something absolutely stupid in the forums, we laugh at them on IRC. If something is said on IRC, it makes its way into the Quotes thread. You can sometimes get away with personal attacks in IRC, because it's a laid back place where post editing doesn't occur. Sure, you can get kicked and banned, but people are there to screw around and have fun doing it.

this is complete bullshit. who you are on the internet, no matter how hard you try and appear like someone else, is part and parcel of who you are in real life. in addition, statements made here can and do have real emotional impact on other people particularly since so many of us here know each other. you should always keep this in mind.
I'm well aware that people here know each other and say stuff that affects how they are around each other in real life. Snowball and I don't get along great, and that's because of things that have been said online. I know that I don't let it get to me all that much, and I don't think he loses any sleep over me saying that he's a bit pudgy and should've stopped after the thirteenth litre of icecream. Who you are online is an extension of who you are in real life. People only see part of the real person over the internet, and so each person doesn't know the other person as well. People should look at themselves when the target of something like this and realise "Wait, this person doesn't know everything about me, they only see a little bit. What they're saying is incorrect and I'm not going to let it ruin my life."

Originally posted by Sambellina
aahh the irony!

Mash their fists on the keyboard or maybe string a few sentences together just to be able to argue for the sake of it - the same thing when it comes down to crunch Utop ;)
HURR I MAEK POWARPOITN SLIEDS, AM TEKNICHAL GEANIUS.

Just kidding, I thought this thread could do with some more comedy. Bitching and Floral Arrangements just isn't the same without comedy.

utopian

20-09-2003, 06:13 PM

Sweet fuck, you braindead retards. Isn't anyone else going to reply to this? This is a serious issue that requires discussion, flaming and trolling.

Misao

20-09-2003, 06:43 PM

Nope, no replies .. I shouldn't have a reply because I have nothing to add to this B&R, so you can flame me now ;)

hazza

20-09-2003, 07:00 PM

Bitching and rants - this forum is to complain about shit.

OR

Bitching and Rants
If you need to bitch about some crap customer, event, current affair or object then do it here.

OR

Bitching and rants - not here so you can flame people.

B&R is to whinge and complain , k ?

that is all.

:swear:

Princess

20-09-2003, 09:46 PM

utopian you avatar is fucking annoying!!!! here i am late on saturday night, after shitloads of coffee trying to read you posts which i think MAY have something worthy of note in them, but cant concentrate because my eyes are distracted by this stupid christmas ornament flashing in the corner......

i now refuse to read anymore of your posts and therefore will not comment on whatever point you were making... (even though they may have been worthy of note)

ner

utopian

21-09-2003, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by hazza
Bitching and rants - this forum is to complain about shit.

OR

Bitching and Rants
If you need to bitch about some crap customer, event, current affair or object then do it here.

OR

Bitching and rants - not here so you can flame people.

B&R is to whinge and complain , k ?

that is all.

:swear:
Wah wah wah! Oh I'm so sorry, Mr "I obey every single forum rule" Hazza. There's a reason that you got confined to one forum, it's because you're a rebellious little rule breaker. We don't like rule breakers around here, they scare us. How about you get stuffed and go back to the People's Republic of Badassia, where you and your kind while away the hours by researching international laws just so you can find new and exciting ways to break them. You're definitely pushing something, but it sure as hell isn't new frontiers.

Maestro

21-09-2003, 02:16 AM

Occasionally I like to venture into little shit-fights, precisely because none of this intersplice stuff is really important to me personally. Almost every time, argument degrades into a shit-flinging match because people (me included, of course) are too lazy to put in the time required for other forms of argument. It's fucking hard argue without dealing with personal characteristics

My approach is increasingly to turn around and say "fuck it.", then ignore things entirely. I ignore entire forums nowadays, just because it's honestly not worth the heartache.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure there are people that take insults and ranting and stuff very seriously, and what gets said here has more consequences in the "real world" for those people than for people who don't care. I don't know that I can agree entirely with kleph when he says that online personas and "real world" people are necessarily one and the same. Certainly, they make up one "whole" person, but I prefer to see identity as a series of fractured identities, where those identities often conflict with one another and are variously played out or exhibited. There's a whole chain of causation argument that works to say that when people then meet after chatting online, they adopt more of their constructed online identity than they ordinarily would.

But that's all a side issue; what I'm getting at is that people often get trapped in arguments online and subsequently become trapped in an identity that is a product of circumstance. Some people get lucky and get positive reactions, others are not so lucky. It becomes very hard to break out of that, because identity is linked internally and externally to the ways that other people deal with you. Ideally, then, we would try to allow people to develop their identity with as little outside pressure as possible - the cliché of letting people find themselves.

So I occasionally wonder whether entire internet has been set to "angst". My own approach is to pick my fights, and try not to contribute to the angst too much, and Bitching and Rants, to my mind, isn't the antidote. It gets people too much in a defensive mindset; traps them in a place and identity that they may not really want to be in, but cannot see a way out of.

Bitch and Rant if you like, but Free Love has a lot more going for it.

utopian

21-09-2003, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by Maestro
Bitch and Rant if you like, but Free Love has a lot more going for it.
Go here (http://forums.zgeek.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=9) now.

I remember that B&R was the place to flame each other. If anyone wanted to get into an argument here, they were told to take it to Bitching and Rants where they could flame each other and everyone could watch and laugh and walk away satisfied.

Nowadays, a good argument will start, and then someone will be told to pull out without cumming. This leaves everyone dissatisfied (including the spectators), and we end up with incomplete arguments. The completed ones are generally tame in comparison due to the whole "Rules of War". Fuck your Geneva Convention, fuck it in its stupid arse. (not directed at Maestro)

dredz

21-09-2003, 02:43 AM

pirate is an exception because it's his site. he pays the interweb folks for the domain and lets us play here. if he want's us all to start posting in serbo-croat, that's what we do.
...don't feel like pissing anybody off... cuz this may be off-topic...but what the hell is "serbo-croat"?...

utopian

21-09-2003, 02:46 AM

It's a language, you dumbarse. Spoken by Serbs and Croats in the general area of what used to be Yugoslavia and is now Serbia and Croatia. You couldn't pick up from the phrase "speaking serbo-croat" that it was something that was spoken, say, a language?

Now get back on topic, this is Bitching and Floral Arrangements and everything here has to adhere directly to the topic or else the universe will collapse on itself.

Maestro

21-09-2003, 02:49 AM

The point I want to make is that arguments in the form of a flame match are ultimately pointless.

To adopt the metaphor: Fucking people unprotected in B&R forums may be fun to watch and (sometimes) fun to do, but if you use contaception in the form of more balanced responses, you get less troll children. The alternative is to abstain entirely, which also has its merits.

utopian

21-09-2003, 02:53 AM

Obviously you derive no fun from being online. Some of us enjoy watching the shit flinging matches. I know I do.

The internet isn't a place just for serious discussion, we can also have a go at each other whether or not it makes sense or is warranted.

Now go back to the Discussions forum, this very instant; your posts are far too long and causing people to lose interest in this thread. Not everyone on ZGeek has an attention span sufficiently long enough to read this entire thread, let alone your posts. I'd be surprised if people on dial-up actually read this thread, because by the time it's loaded, they've lost interest and have gone back to http://www.hotslutswithstrangeobjectsintheirorifaces.com

dozer

21-09-2003, 03:15 AM

serbian and croatian are different languages

utopian

21-09-2003, 03:18 AM

Well it's a good thing we're not talking about "Serbian" or "Croatian" then, isn't it? Last I checked, Serbo-Croat was the same as Serbo-Croat.

That's not even the point though, you dribbling fool. The point is that Pirate is the bossman. Mind you, if Pirate told me to speak in Serbo-Croat, I'd tell him to fuck off, in English.

hazza

21-09-2003, 03:21 AM

if you have so much to complain about why dont you just leave?

dozer

21-09-2003, 03:24 AM

thats ok ill forgive your ignorance, peoples throats have been slit for less

utopian

21-09-2003, 03:28 AM

Wow, that was pretty witty coming from someone with the mental development of a four year old bumblebee.

I don't leave because I love you so much, hazza. Be mine <3 <3 <3

Dozer: I'm sorry for being so ignorant as to think that Serbo-Croat was the same as Serbo-Croat. Where would I be without you? Oh, that's right. Probably still here.

dozer

21-09-2003, 03:35 AM

jebem ti staru u supak

robotoverflow

21-09-2003, 07:27 AM

Now, now, language.

kré

21-09-2003, 11:03 AM

1+1=window? that's fucking brilliant!

http://www.crayonline.com/pics/other/roflchopter.jpg

Spingo

21-09-2003, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by utopian
The internet isn't a place just for serious discussion, we can also have a go at each other whether or not it makes sense or is warranted.

This is ZGeek. It is not the Internet. If you want to troll and flame others, I suggest you point yoru browser elsewhere.

The reason why we have this rule is beause of the amount of times that two or more people in the forums have a falling out in real life because of what is said in the forum, and the fact that on each and every one of these occasions, Pirate, myself and others have been brought into the middle of said argument, and been expected to take sides on the matter.

This takes up shitloads of our time that we really can't afford to be spending, and it puts massive strain on our friendships with all of the people on this site. It's not fair to be asked to pick a side between two of your friends who are bickering about the most trivial shit, so we'd rather not have the trivial shit said in the first place.

This is something that we are pretty serious about, and if serious enough, we'll ban people permanently for it.

Ultimately, it comes down to consideration. Pirate pays about $120 a month for the running of this site, and you could say I personally pay about $200 a month to keep ZGeek running at the present time, plus all of the time maintaining things and doing development, etc. We pay this so we can keep this community going and growing. We don't pay it to get involved with other people's petty desputes, especially when we have nothing to do with what they are upset about.

If you want to flame others, there are plenty of other places on the Internet where you could do so. Ask Grumblefish or Asskickergod, as I'm sure that they are aware of a number of forums that you can do this on (they had to develop their outstanding repartee somewhere), but as far as doing it on ZGeek, it's not on.

Cassa

21-09-2003, 11:13 AM

Isn't that cute, utop thinks he's grumblefish.

Maestro

21-09-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Cassa
Isn't that cute, utop thinks he's grumblefish.
Originally posted by me
Some people get lucky and get positive reactions, others are not so lucky.
Case in point.

hazza

21-09-2003, 12:23 PM

He thinks his posts actually have some meaning...or weighting or influence. *chortle*

:banana:

utopian

21-09-2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by hazza
He thinks his posts actually have some meaning...or weighting or influence. *chortle*

:banana:
Oh no, Hazza doesn't like my posts, however shall I go on? The fact that this thread has more than 20 replied (doesn't happen all that often in B&R) is some sort of proof that people are listening and then responding to things I have to say.

There was a thread made about you that was moved to Death Row in which you completely fucked up one of the simplest sayings, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". No one was impersonating you, I don't think anyone's that keen on degrading themselves. You got laughed at, in large capitals. For you to say something like "HURR LOOK HE TINKS THAT PEEPLE LISSEN" when people are replying to my posts and laughing at yours is a sure sign that you've got something loose rolling around inside your head.

Sure, I may not be the most popular person on Zgeek (LOLROFL UNDERSTATEMENT), but I try to contribute more than 1-3 lines in each post. You're the kind of person that waits for the bigger tough guys to turn up and then you put you two cents worth in while hiding behind their backs. You sure are tough. I'll bet ten of your mates and you could really kick the shit out of me. I'd even consider putting money on you being the one at the end of the "fight" who walks up to the body on the ground, kicks it, and then laughs about how tough you are.

Stop jerking off to photos of the female mods, put two hands on the keyboard, and try posting something that at least resembles intelligent conversation. Failing that, at least attempt to post 4 lines.

You've got your homework, class dismissed.

hazza

21-09-2003, 01:20 PM

Wow. I surley got owned.

....

Retort. (degrading comment about grammar)

(pay out)

(say im better)

(everyone hates you)

:banana:

utopian

21-09-2003, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by Spingo
The reason why we have this rule is beause of the amount of times that two or more people in the forums have a falling out in real life because of what is said in the forum, and the fact that on each and every one of these occasions, Pirate, myself and others have been brought into the middle of said argument, and been expected to take sides on the matter.

This takes up shitloads of our time that we really can't afford to be spending, and it puts massive strain on our friendships with all of the people on this site. It's not fair to be asked to pick a side between two of your friends who are bickering about the most trivial shit, so we'd rather not have the trivial shit said in the first place.

Ultimately, it comes down to consideration. Pirate pays about $120 a month for the running of this site, and you could say I personally pay about $200 a month to keep ZGeek running at the present time, plus all of the time maintaining things and doing development, etc. We pay this so we can keep this community going and growing. We don't pay it to get involved with other people's petty desputes, especially when we have nothing to do with what they are upset about.

I'm not your friend, so don't expect there to be any problems choosing sides if I flame someone who is your bestest buddy in the whole wide world. If your friends have trouble dealing with each other, than that's the fault of your friends. I have a feeling they'd be pissed off at each other whether or not they were on the forums. In any case, the forums are another method of communication and your friends would probably end up pissing each other off if they spent their time talking on the phone instead of IRC and the forums.

You say you'd like the community to keep growing, and while I appreciate and understand that there are rules in place to stop people from being turned away, it's also some of the rules that stop people coming. Instead of being able to accurately voice our opinions of other posters in the open, we're expected to join hands and dance a happy dance to a happy song ^_^. If we do take it private (private messages, email, MSN/ICQ) and have our argument there, we'll come back to the site and still be pissy and then everyone else will be thinking "OMG WHY THE H8?"

Having a set of rules that treats posters like three year olds, is going to only attract more people with the mentality of a three year old. Sure, the community may grow in the way that there will be more people, but it will stagnate when every thread becomes "whats ur favorite X". Are hits that much more important to the Administrators here than content? "TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS WITH DOWN'S SYNDROME TO VISIT ZGEEK AND PIRATE WILL GET A MASSIVE HARD ON AND FUCK YOU IN THE ARSE UNTIL YOUR EYES POP OUT OF YOUR SKULL", yeh, sure sounds like a great deal. Pirate might like the concept of having intellectual dwarfs licking his feet with their slobbery, Downy tongues; the rest of us aren't so keen on having to share the same threads with people whose idea of witty commentary being "I will take what you said but put your name in it instead". To some people, that's the height of comedy, but to those of us who don't think with our brain stem but with our actual brain, it's bland, dull and boring.

Cassa

21-09-2003, 01:28 PM

The irony detector is off the scale. Any more and you'll be able to bottle and sell it. I find it funny that all the things you're bitching about are the things that you're guilty of. It's not wrong to want to try and improve things that you feel are inadequate, but if you really don't like this place that much you should just get your bat and ball and go home.

utopian

21-09-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by hazza
Wow. I surley got owned.

....

Retort. (degrading comment about grammar)

(pay out)

(say im better)

(everyone hates you)

:banana:
D-
See me after class.

still life

21-09-2003, 01:31 PM

1. I can't believe how much effort utopian puts in to his ranting
2. Because this thead will die anyway, here is a comic

utopian

21-09-2003, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Cassa
The irony detector is off the scale. Any more and you'll be able to bottle and sell it. I find it funny that all the things you're bitching about are the things that you're guilty of. It's not wrong to want to try and improve things that you feel are inadequate, but if you really don't like this place that much you should just get your bat and ball and go home.
I didn't say that I don't like this place. I said that I don't like that Bitching and Aromatherapy is no longer a place where people come together and swear at each other for being idiots.

Although it's nice to see that you edited your post to put some actual content in it, instead of just having some stupid little remark.

B+
Well done, you can go home early

utopian

21-09-2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by still life
1. I can't believe how much effort utopian puts in to his ranting
2. Because this thead will die anyway, here is a comic
1. Why do a half-assed job?
2. That would've been funnier if you did it yourself, that way I could mock you for being a crap humourist instead of mocking you for trying to post an appropriate image.

kré

21-09-2003, 02:02 PM

The Undeniable Truth.

http://www.crayonline.com/pics/other/littlezgeekers.gif

DrDivad

21-09-2003, 03:46 PM

two words sum up my entire sentiment about this thread: SHUT UP

edited for brain stupidity

utopian

21-09-2003, 03:57 PM

I'm not as eloquent as you are, so I need to use more than two words to sum up how I feel about you.

STOP KISSING CASSA'S ARSE.

If I ever post anything and Cassa replies to it, I can always count on you to show up within a few minutes to add your worthless "point of view" on things. It's such a regular occurance that I could probably set my watch to it.

It's OK that Dumhed posts stuff like this, because they're going out, and I'm sure that all the ass-kissing in that relationship goes on in the bedroom so it doesn't spill out into the forums. Is he your hero? Do you look up to him? When he grows up do you want to be just like him when you grow up?

hazza

21-09-2003, 04:47 PM

hehe.. check the suttle differences.

Originally posted by everyone on zgeek
I'm not as eloquent as you are, so I need to use more than two words to sum up how I feel about you.

STOP KISSING CRAY'S ARSE.

If anyone ever posts anything and Cray replies to it, I can always count on you to show up within a few minutes to add your worthless "point of view" on things. It's such a regular occurance that I could probably set my watch to it.

Is he your hero? Do you look up to him? When he grows up do you want to be just like him when you grow up?

utopian

21-09-2003, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by hazza
hehe.. check the suttle differences.
Yes, you're right. That VW Beetle that I always drive around near Cray and get him to help me work on it was bought solely for that reason.

Cray's an alright guy, but it's not as though I try and get him to help me with my car or for me to help out with his.

Oh, that and the fact that Cray's not a forums moderator. And that I don't ever go to his house, due to the fact that we live in different cities. Even if I did live in Sydney, I don't think I'd be over there all that often. So those are REALLY subtle differences. If by "subtle" you mean "major and not able to be overlooked".

Shouldn't you be trolling a thread about America? There's one here in Bitching and Rants. Sure, it's fairly old, but it's probably still warm inside.

And if you read a prior post, you'll realise that I was saying that saying the same thing with different names is one of the stupidest ways to attempt to be "witty". Thanks for proving my point for me, seems you're not completely useless after all.

hazza

21-09-2003, 05:02 PM

Dude, give up.

:banana:

utopian

21-09-2003, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by hazza
Dude, give up.

:banana:
Dude, get out of the thread and go back to Seattle in the early 90's, dude.

No one's forcing you to post here. Me on the other hand, I made this thread and am not abandoning it. To give up on it now would be like giving up on a car that's only half built. Sure, I might be able to get a bit for it, but it's nowhere near as rewarding as seeing it through until the end.

Conny!

21-09-2003, 05:11 PM

Go here for some relief. (http://forum.angry.com)

MisterBishi

21-09-2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by cray
The Undeniable Truth.

kré

21-09-2003, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by MisterBishi

hahahaha

DrDivad

21-09-2003, 07:40 PM

i hope your foot tastes good because all i did was click this link, read the first 5 or so posts between you and kleph and some other jerks and made my reply..........i read no further so shove it....chump

sure i know you don't care what i think, but i don't care what you think, your opinions do not stir any respect in me for you, nor do i care that you don't care that you have my respect,

hence why i merely said, shut it! however i respect your right to bitch so bitch away, it IS B&R, i just think your stupid and annoying and should worry about far more important things

i think i'm done. and no i'm not interested in reading any reply of yours and yes i know it's ignorant so save ur typing fingers

Bostonmess

21-09-2003, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by DrDivad
i just think your stupid and annoying and should worry about far more important things

Yup there's far more important things to whinge on about :banana: :banana: :banana: :D

scathing

21-09-2003, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by utopian
I didn't say that I don't like this place. I said that I don't like that Bitching and Aromatherapy is no longer a place where people come together and swear at each other for being idiots.
No, you didn't say it. Then again, you never said you act like a whinger either. Doesn't mean its not plainly obvious to everyone else.

You've said, in an older thread, that of the scores of regular members of this site, you only like a few (and have no respect for the rest). I don't think I'd be way out of left field in suggesting that the feeling is reciprocated.

You're not particularly fond of the way the site is run by its owner and moderators.

You don't like the way the culture on ZGeek (of which B&R and Discussions are symptoms) has gone.

You don't feel like most of the posts are intellectually stimulating for an ubergeek such as yourself.

So, unless you've got a chubby for the colour scheme and design of the site that's enough to outweigh everything else, what is there for you to like about it?

DrDivad

21-09-2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by utopian
Yes, you're right. That VW Beetle that I always drive around near Cray and get him to help me work on it was bought solely for that reason.

Cray's an alright guy, but it's not as though I try and get him to help me with my car or for me to help out with his.

Oh, that and the fact that Cray's not a forums moderator. And that I don't ever go to his house, due to the fact that we live in different cities. Even if I did live in Sydney, I don't think I'd be over there all that often. So those are REALLY subtle differences.

got friend?

scathing

21-09-2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by utopian
Sure, I may not be the most popular person on Zgeek (LOLROFL UNDERSTATEMENT), but I try to contribute more than 1-3 lines in each post.

..........because quantity is necessary for quality.

Cassa

21-09-2003, 08:52 PM

I've had quite enough of this, death row time. You may have had a valid complaint to begin with (personal opinion notwithstanding) and everyone is entitled to say what they feel UP TO A POINT. Getting personal, no matter how entitled you think you are or how warranted you feel it is, is just not on. I don't care if you're 'only expressing an opinion' or 'only replying to what someone else said'. I realise moving this thread to death row probably validates whatever point it had in the first place, but I'm really quite over the whole thing.

In closing however, I would like to say: If you went over to a friend's house and constantly bitched and whined about they way they arranged their furniture and the other people they invited over and generally made an unpleasant atmosphere by your actions, would you be surprised if they told you not to come back?

Bostonmess

21-09-2003, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by Cassa
If you went over to a friend's house and constantly bitched and whined about they way they arranged their furniture and the other people they invited over and generally made an unpleasant atmosphere by your actions, would you be surprised if they told you not to come back?

Oooh, I get that all the time with my settee/sofa/couch/whatever. "This settee is so uncomfortable."

"Grow some fat on your arse then!"

utopian

22-09-2003, 12:01 AM

I'm not bitching about the way that Pirate (or Spingo) runs the site. I think that the moderators are doing a pretty good job of keeping this place a fun place to come to. Sure, there have been things that I disagree with when it comes to my idea of what things should be like, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

I'm glad to see that DrDivad has basically said that his first post was pretty much worthless, by telling us that he didn't even bother reading the thread. Nice to see you've got enough common sense to read things before you pass judgement on them.

Scathing: There are some that I like and respect, there are some that I don't respect but like, there are some that I neither like nor respect, and there are also those who I don't like but I do respect. I've solved the problem of coming across the less intellectually stimulating posts, so that's not such a huge problem anymore.

What do I like about Zgeek? I like reading posts by certain people. They've got a certain style of writing that I really enjoy reading. I like that I've got personal jokes with a few members, and that I can talk to them about certain things. I like that there are enough people here to make it interesting, but that there isn't so many people as to make it almost completely anonymous.

All in all, I don't have a problem with Zgeek. I've got a few minor issues about certain things, but some of those things will probably go away in the newer version. I know I'm looking forward to seeing what sort of things Spingo has in store with version 3.

While it's been fun to get some of the "good ol' zgeek angst" happening in this thread, I'm sad to see that it's ended up in Death Row.

Bostonmess

22-09-2003, 12:07 AM

I reckon they should change the name from Bitching and Rants to Ranting and Bitches :D

Pirate

22-09-2003, 09:29 AM

moved back from deathrow.. apart from the silly name calling this raises some good points.

DrDivad

22-09-2003, 10:55 AM

i see a case of the slippery slopes

utopian

22-09-2003, 11:18 AM

As I said to another Zgeeker on MSN yesterday, this isn't really a flame war, merely a bunch of kids flicking matches at each other. I didn't intentionally set out to turn this into a "let's insult each other" thread, but I knew that it could quite possibly end up that way.

Some people piss me off sometimes when they post. And it's not a case of "if you have an issue with someone, raise it with them in private", it's just one post, or maybe some of the points they're making in a thread. Sometimes people (myself included) stop listening to logic, and no matter how much you try and show them that they're completely wrong, they won't listen. It's probably at this point that flaming begins. I know I get frustrated when someone is being totally ignorant of the real world and starts spouting off bullshit.

The only way we have of flaming someone on the forums by following the rules is if that person has posted in the Open Flaming Thread. Not enough people have posted in there for me to justify getting my arse kicked in return. Once more enemies of mine post there, I'll consider making an appearance. Sure, it'd be easier to post a "XYZ is a fucking tool" thread, but that will get sent to Death Row and I'll get a warning from mods.

Over the last year or so, with the introduction of some rules, people's skins have thinned to the point where they actually need moderators to stick up for them, as they're unable to stick up for themselves. While I can appreciate that it's part of the job of the moderators to make sure that people aren't having a bad time, it's hardly fair that conversations like this occur:

<Person 1> You smell of Poo!
<Person 2> *cries to moderator*
<Moderator> Oi, watch it, Person 1. We don't tolerate that kind of behaviour here.

People are no longer able to stick up for themselves when someone passes judgement or makes a comment about them. This is due in part both to the babying that some people receive from moderators, and the rules that state no flame wars.

In the old "Chat" forum, we trolled each others threads and it was fun. We made stupid, sarcastic insults towards each other and knew that it was just a joke. In the old "Bitching and Rants" we argued and screamed until we were blue in the face. Grumblefish and Asskickergod would pound anyone into the ground who decided to open their mouth to let shit flow out. Why not make something that's a combination of these two forums, where people can come together and fuck around. You could disable time limits altogether and have each post made count 0 towards post counts. A forum where the rules are relaxed a little. No doubt you'd end up with a regular bunch of posters in there who would be happy trolling each others threads, posting bullshit and laughing about it. The seasoned veterans who'd post in that forum would know not to let it spill out into general, and the newbies who posted in there would probably spend all their Zgeek time posting in there and maybe one other forum (Games, Music, pr0n).

If you don't give people somewhere to get shit off their chest, they take it to other sites, then discover that the other sites are more interesting. This causes Pirate's massive chubby to disappear, and we can't have that happen.

ShadowNemesis

22-09-2003, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Bostonmess
I reckon they should change the name from Bitching and Rants to Ranting and Bitches :D

Nah, was thinking Bitching Rants, or Ranting Bitches :D

CMYK

22-09-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by ShadowNemesis
Nah, was thinking Bitching Rants, or Ranting Bitches :D

or "Itch in My Pants"

plext

22-09-2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Cassa
I've had quite enough of this, death row time. You may have had a valid complaint to begin with (personal opinion notwithstanding) and everyone is entitled to say what they feel UP TO A POINT. Getting personal, no matter how entitled you think you are or how warranted you feel it is, is just not on. I don't care if you're 'only expressing an opinion' or 'only replying to what someone else said'. I realise moving this thread to death row probably validates whatever point it had in the first place, but I'm really quite over the whole thing.

In closing however, I would like to say: If you went over to a friend's house and constantly bitched and whined about they way they arranged their furniture and the other people they invited over and generally made an unpleasant atmosphere by your actions, would you be surprised if they told you not to come back?
This does completely validate the original point of the thread.

Just because you do not like the tone of the thread it gets sent to the naughty room.

Fortunately, saner heads than your own have the final say.

hazza

22-09-2003, 07:48 PM

i thought it went to prison cos it got totally way off topic.

plext

22-09-2003, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by hazza
i thought it went to prison cos it got totally way off topic.
Nope, that was not mentioned at all. Re-read.

hazza

22-09-2003, 08:24 PM

Snowball

22-09-2003, 09:20 PM

I think plext hit the nail on the head.
There was no fight as far as i can see.

utopian

23-09-2003, 12:06 AM

Even if there was a fight, it would still be within the topic as the original post dealt with figthing being disallowed and that it doesn't happen all that often anymore, and when it does it's punishable.

Thank you to everyone who's posted in this thread, even if I called you names.

Ins0mniac

23-09-2003, 01:12 AM

I think it's John Howard's fault.

If he wasn't Prime Minister, I'm sure threads like this would be less frequent, some how...

Nandragon

23-09-2003, 05:26 AM

Let me see if I got this right...

Utop is whining about Zgeek not being interesting any more.
Because there's no 5 page desertations by AKG and GRumble.
And because he can't call ppl names and go ner, ner, ner, ner.

And THAT is what made Zgeek interesting?:grr:

Less bitching more boobies.
:banana:

MisterBishi

23-09-2003, 07:31 AM

I'm gonna get crucified for this, but in my opinion boobies are half of the problem.

Around the time of the boobies competition threads there were a record number of unique hits, but the majority were hits from horny cheapskates who right-clicked, saved-as, filled the sock and never came back.

asskickergod

23-09-2003, 07:40 AM

And the ones that were too stupid to right click and save as created forum accounts.

Cassa

23-09-2003, 09:06 AM

Thank you kleph, you are correct. I didn't move this because I automatically wanted it to be deleted, and it hadn't reached the point where it warranted that. But I didn't want to wait for it to turn into an all-out shit fight before I had to do something. Moving a thread to death row is more likely to get people's attention rather than just telling them 'hey stop that, that's not nice'.

By the by, plext, I know other heads saner than mine have the final say...that's precisely why the thread was in death row.

utopian

23-09-2003, 11:01 AM

If you keep putting breasts and whatnot on the front page, then you're going to have people coming here solely for the breasts and not contributing anything to the site.

If you lock away all the pr0n in a hidden forum, people will come here solely for the hidden forum, post maybe once or twice (usually a request) and then never say anything else.

Some of them decide to hang around and post something, but if they're here for the pr0n, chances are they're not here for conversation. They'll add something stupid and irrelevant to a conversation like "oh come on guys ha ha ha itss only a joke he's joking around he he lol ;P"

There are so many times that I've looked at posts and thought "Who the hell are you?" because they'll have a registration date a year old yet only 2 or 3 posts. Sure, they might have forgotten about the site, or they feel they don't have anything important to say (General is the perfect place to say anything that's not important), but most people who actually come here to talk will post in the Newbie Lounge. I think the newbie forum is a good idea, but newbies need to learn to post OUTSIDE it every once in a while. I think it was one of startrekker or one of their friends who would only post in the newbie forum, right up until about 100 posts. I think we need a Psychology forum (moderated by Cassa) just to find out what is wrong with people who do that.

Edited because I can't spell words I don't care about

kré

23-09-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by utopian
I think we need a Pyschology forum (moderated by Cassa) just to find out what is wrong with people who do that.

omg you kant spall lool. tool

utopian

23-09-2003, 12:16 PM

stfu asswipe b4 i punch u in the arm until ur nose bleeds snot outta ur ass :swear: :swear:

Snowball

23-09-2003, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by kleph
the thread was not locked and comments were allowed to continue.

Um to me and a few others it was.....

lmeyer

23-09-2003, 01:39 PM

Long time listener, first-time caller, love your show.
I have read through this thread and am left with a question.
If it is a joke why is it so boring and unfunny?.
(This thread I mean) Aside from a few pearls of sardonic humour it has a whiney monotone. I get the feeling it has all been said before at some point. I could be wrong though as I am only new.
Sorry if this is too presumptuous for a first post, but even if you think so as this is bitching & rants as defined earlier I can always tell you to fuck off. (politely of course)

:p

gooey

23-09-2003, 01:43 PM

<OT>
its great..

this thread started off with utop whinging about the lack of bitch and ranting in B & R....

but now this thread has singlehandedly (the other hand must have been busy) blown the bitch and ranting scale out of the water.

mission successful utopian.

:weed:
</OT>

utopian

23-09-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by lmeyer
I have read through this thread and am left with a question.
If it is a joke why is it so boring and unfunny?.

Bitching and Rants is so boring and unfunny because there are restrictions on what we can do here. We're generall not allowed to flame each other, and as a result this limits the amount of bitching and ranting that can actually occur.

If we were allowed to have shit fights about anything, then B&R would actually be a funny place to be, even if just reading and not posting.

I have a feeling about who the "regular" B&R crew would be if it was allowed a bit of freedom to mutate into whatever it felt like. Make every post in this forum not count towards postcounts and I guarantee the humour level will rise as people parody each others threads and come up with catchphrases that spill out into IRC and the other parts of the forums.

Zgeek has a lot of situational comedians, but they're rarely given a situation these days where they can really shine and LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!

kré

23-09-2003, 01:53 PM

werd

the way it is now, the "Please note: Those easily offended, DO NOT READ THIS FORUM!!!" tag on the forum index page is completely unneccesary

lmeyer

23-09-2003, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by gooey

its great..

this thread started off with utop whinging about the lack of bitch and ranting in B & R....

but now this thread has singlehandedly (the other hand must have been busy) blown the bitch and ranting scale out of the water.

As I said I am new. Is the above a bitch or a rant or both?.
I am an accomplished one handed typist.
Some wanker taught me.

;)

utopian

23-09-2003, 02:07 PM

You should not involve yourself in the history of the forums unless it is absolutely necessary for you to understand part of it.

Here is a little piece of history for you:

There used to be flame wars and fun in B&R. Now there isn't.
There used to be a chat forum where you could spam (posts didn't count towards post count) and have fun. Now there isn't.
I think that combining these two forums would create some of the finest humour that this site has seen. All it takes is a little relaxing of the rules in one forum.

lmeyer

23-09-2003, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by utopian
Bitching and Rants is so boring and unfunny because there are restrictions on what we can do here. We're generall not allowed to flame each other,

Is flaming each other like lighting up a fart?.
Sounds like fun. I love adult humour, beats that undergraduate shit every time.

utopian

23-09-2003, 02:14 PM

Shut the fuck up, you dribbling cock. Since when were you allowed to pass judgement on the world, who died and made you the Father Buddha?

"Long time listener, first time caller". I'm surprised your radio even picks up the internet, seeing as everyone else's has trouble. Maybe you're some sort of super tech god who has a way with machines, no, scratch that, has his way WITH machines. I bet you just can't get enough of sticking your tiny little pin dick in a motorised pencil sharpener. At least your undersized, bloody, mangled johnson has more of a point to it than any of your three miserably horrible posts. Why don't you do us all a favour and play hide and seek in a cement mixer?

Something like that is considered to be a flame, but I don't have the time to put too much effort into it as I've got to go to uni.

DumHed

23-09-2003, 02:44 PM

people that only had fun in B&R are the people that made the rest of the site less fun...

Colonel Kurtz

23-09-2003, 03:48 PM

GET A LIFE UTOPIAN

Bostonmess

23-09-2003, 05:37 PM

It's alright having fun, but some people go too far. It's like intellectual bullying. People get so far up their own arses, "Let me show how superior I am by ripping the newbie to bits." It's ok when it's tongue in cheek (fnar fnar) but when it's excessive and totally uncalled for it gets tedious and scares newer members away (speculation).

Unfortunately most people draw the line too far. But there you go, I'm probably one of those people not drawing it far enough.

fearless13

23-09-2003, 05:50 PM

I too am a bit of a long time listener first time caller, as you can probably tell from my post count over there. But after reading through this thread (and yes I read it all) I must admit I agree with Utopian on most of his arguements. Admittedly my history with Zgeek has amounted to pretty much reading the front page, occasionaly posting a comment about this that or the other and never really venturing for into the depth of the forums. Now I find this masterpiece of a thread and I am hooked.

Not too sure what it is about Utopians agrguement that got me so enthralled but I do know I had an absolute ball reading this one and just wish I disagreed with something in here so I could have a bit of a bitch.

I will say that the occasional "Do you even know your head is up your arse???" should be completely acceptable assuming of course people can deal with it in context and accept the fact that it is just someone elses opinion on your opinion.

hazza

23-09-2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Colonel Kurtz
GET A LIFE UTOPIAN

The reaction of the crowd when colonel kurtz walks into the room :D :cool: :banana:

The reaction when Utop walks into the room :fart: :fag:

Fuzzy Dice

23-09-2003, 05:55 PM

lmeyer, here for all of three seconds, actually made a funny post, "some wanker taught me" (nicely done) and torn up by Utop. Is that some kind of record? I do hope he hasn't been scarred for life.

What we've got here.....is failure to communicate. Some men, you just can't reach. So, you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it!

lmeyer

23-09-2003, 06:01 PM

Fuzzy Dice, I construed Utopians reply as an example of flaming.
Not a particularly good one, but he did have to get to Uni on time apparently:D
Cold over there?

Fuzzy Dice

23-09-2003, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by lmeyer
Cold over there?

not quite bag-freezing yet, but it's working on it. ask me again in february.

Snowball

23-09-2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by utopian

I have a feeling about who the "regular" B&R crew would be if it was allowed a bit of freedom to mutate into whatever it felt like.

B&R crew??
what are you twelve, do you often hang out with your homies at the 711

Snowball

23-09-2003, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by utopian
You should not involve yourself in the history of the forums unless it is absolutely necessary for you to understand part of it.

Here is a little piece of history for you:

There used to be flame wars and fun in B&R. Now there isn't.
There used to be a chat forum where you could spam (posts didn't count towards post count) and have fun. Now there isn't.
I think that combining these two forums would create some of the finest humour that this site has seen. All it takes is a little relaxing of the rules in one forum.

Here is some more history for you.
Utopian has some issues and needs help, it has been this way for a while.

utopian

23-09-2003, 11:36 PM

Snowball, you are not cool enough to be in my Crew. The 7-11 boyz shit all over your Woolworths hood.

And yes, my attempt at a flame was something that I put together while halfway out the door as an example of what it possibly looks like.

DrDivad

23-09-2003, 11:54 PM

got wireless keyboard?

utopian

23-09-2003, 11:58 PM

No, my house was trapped in a tornado and my computer and I were literally halfway out the door.

Hang on a second, this isn't Kansas!

Nandragon

24-09-2003, 12:09 AM

Dorothy and Auntie Em said to tell you that ur a wanker and they don't want you in Kansas

Mr. Internet

24-09-2003, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by hazza
The reaction of the crowd when colonel kurtz walks into the room :D :cool: :banana:

The reaction when Utop walks into the room :fart: :fag:

Dear hazza,

Please be advised that according to Internet law the posting of icons of that nature are a sure sign of flaming homosexuality. Those sort of icons appear in 90% of your posts making you 90% poofter. Sorry.

Mr. Internet

Diva

26-09-2003, 06:18 PM

Utop, I know some flaming went on here, but it was never officially a 'flaming forum'. I remember Grumblefish asking long and loud for a flaming forum to be created (and more specifically, for him to be made moderator of it ;) ) However, that never happened.

Having said that, I used to follow some threads here that I found quite entertaining :D

As for the newbies forum, that was my suggestion and I discussed it quite a bit with Pirate. I rarely post anything there, I just check it over to make sure it is all nice and happy. No newbie is forced to post there, no-one is restricted there until they get a certain post count. If someone doesn't want to post elsewhere until they have 100+ posts then I see that as a bit of an issue. I saw it more a place where people could introduce themselves and get a feel for zgeek without being flamed by the 'welcoming crew' :rolleyes: If you (or anyone else) don't like it, that is fine. Don't read it. There are some people who seem to like welcoming newbies, so leave it up to them.