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DOGG
16-12-2003, 10:47 PM
It is clear to me that you are a staunch defender of anything american. Perhaps you feel resentment towards any thread which has anyhing even remotly to do with america. You should realise though, that the world is becoming ever more saturated by american news media. And as such, people will chat about american realated things. Just because someone disagrees with american policy or dislikes the president, doesn't mean every time they make a thread with the word 'america' in it, it is america-bashing. And if americans are the subject of a thread, does not mean it's america-bashing either. Maybe the poster thinks the person is a tool. Or that it's something unusual. As the saying goes, 'only in america'.

You should chill out and not take the word 'america' to mean all the people who live there or a personal attack against you. As in political speak, countries' governments are referred to by the country's name. Example in fox news: "France Opposes Second U.N. Resolution on Iraq". Now this does not mean that all french people oppose it. Nor should it be considered an attack upon them. However i do see that your media has been bashing france and germany and attempted to create a disliking of those countries in the minds of the american people. To me, these are childish acts. And it is no wonder that they are met with animosity. I despise your media and government because of their blatant lies and propadanga and the way they think they can fool people, as if everyone is an idiot.

Personally, i can't stand what america has been responsible for over the past 50 or so years. Things such as assasinations, government overthrowing, and support of dictators. Maybe america has done some good deeds. But good things are forgotten easily and are overshadowed by the bad. Professing to be pro-democratic whilst creating and/or supporting brutal dictators is a demonstration of the hypocricy which has been so prevalent in the US. And it is because of this hypocricy that I am enraged further. Undermining countries just because they are aligned one way or the other is another example. Goals should be achieved through true diplomacy and not through economic or political pressure. There are reasons why america is hated. Rather than address the symptom, they should fix the cause. America is full of corruption and needs to be fixed. Dominating the world through force is not the way to go about things.

My hatred isn't just limited to people who reside in america and do bad things. I hate retards of all nationalities. But as i made it clear before, america has an ever increasing influence on the world and as such will be exposed to more attacks and the subject of more threads, particularly if it undertakes controversial actions such as the iraq war. I hate this society as a whole, espcially the capitalist system whereby if you want to be rich, one hundred other people have to be poor. Private corporations have more influence than ever before, both economically and politically. We are all consumers. Rather than inventing new products to make money with and wasting resources, the focus should be on improving living standards. I believe that privitisation leads to corruption and greed and can only be bad for the populace. I believe that american people are largely victims of this consumer/TV society. And I could go on all day about what is wrong with the world so ill just stop here.

Maybe you don't like it when people jump on your back because you support something. Perhaps you feel that you can't write a valid response because it will be met with insults and more 'anti-americanism' or that you will be labelled bush-lover or whatever. But if you jump on the idiot bandwagon and start throwing insults or acting an idiot every time you don't like something, you are no better than the very people who are the cause of your frustration. Failing to acknowledge legitimate concerns won't do you any favours either.

Over the last month or so, i've been restraining myself. I've been trying not to flame or rant and have been trying to discuss subjects in an orderly manner and speak like an adult. But certain people have been making it hard.

The sad thing is, very legitimate posts such as the one about PNAC receive no responses at all. PNAC's agenda is outlined in their own documents and wording. And i don't like it one bit. Stating that events on the scale of pearl harbour are 'catalyists' to further their agenda is disgusting to me. Their total lack of care for life and warmongering concern me, especially because many members now hold senior positions in the US government. With people like Zbigniew Brzezinski and PNAC stressing how a catastrophic event is needed to gain support and to preserve american global hegemony, it is no wonder that conspiracy theories aries. Particularly with all the secrecy and lies that the government propagates concerning 9/11 and terrorism in general. Rather than discounting it out of hand, perhaps you should look into some of the conspiracies/oddities of 9/11. You would be surprised how much truth and cause for concern there really is.

I post 'anti-american' threads for the following reasons:

A: To make people aware of things which i think are wrong/important
B: To expose hypocricy/propaganda/lies
C: In the hope that you, as americans, will take some kind of action to fix your homeland. Whether it be writing to senators/congressmen or whoever, to discussing issuses with other people to making the right voting choices.

Now you may ask "Why america? Many countries are guilty of some of the same things!". The answer is that america is the only superpower, the most powerful country in the world with the most influence, and they are willing to start wars. They should act responsible and set an example rather than be tools.

Pirate
16-12-2003, 11:41 PM
Posts have been removed as this is to remain a discussion free of insults and it will not be allowed to degenerate into another flame war.

asskickergod
17-12-2003, 03:08 AM
I find it ironic how when DOGG first came to these forums he was calling everyone stupid and saying their opinions were illogical. Now that people are doing the same to him (with just cause I might add) he cries foul as that playing field is no longer favorable for him. DOGG just can't seem to understand that his credibility has been thoroughly destroyed. There are super computers at MIT that are currently trying to calculate the amount of times where he posted an editorial or hear say information and said it was fact. When he's not doing that he taking information at face value without bothering to analyze the reasons behind it. Nearly all of his posts are political in nature and all of those are so bias the bullshit practically congeals on my monitors screen and has to be wiped clean.

This being the case I would like to start a petition to move this thread to bitching and rants to give it the proper attention it deserves.

Asmodeus
17-12-2003, 03:22 AM
yeah, that sounds about right. I means, lets face it, just like a neutered cat, this tool just doesn't get it. I mean really.. first off, this guy should go back into his mothers basement and start worrying abouthis own country first.. its pretty much as bad as what he complains about as far as america goes. Secondly, if we want half baked crap barely fact checked, taken out of context and mostly based on the opinions of someone who really knows nothing about how this government works, we already have michael moore for that. We're tired of idealists. been there, done that, never works. and finally, flaming this tool is fun, since hes basically the JCS of the anti american world.

Peach
17-12-2003, 06:52 AM
So which of the points that DOGG raised, do you specifically disagree with?

asskickergod
17-12-2003, 07:23 AM
DOGG made points? When did this happen?

It's not a matter of what he posts as much as it how he acts. When he posts something it's usually conjecture, but he states it as fact. Such as this thread (http://forums.zgeek.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13914). He obviously took the article at face value and made no attempt to understand the underlying issues. He merely regurgitated the article and said, "I was right, eat this you sheep".

He's not trying to promote discussion. He's trying to prove, probably to himself more than anyone else, that his black is black, white is white standpoints are somehow justified. If he needs self gratification he can figure it out for himself, I'm not here to be his masturbatory aid.

Peach
17-12-2003, 07:28 AM
Again, what points from his post do you disagree with?

Whatever he's said in the past, he has made some reasoned statements about why he feels the way he does.

Turtle_Wrangler
17-12-2003, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by Peach
So which of the points that DOGG raised, do you specifically disagree with?

well lets see....


Originally posted by DOGG
You should realise though, that the world is becoming ever more saturated by american news media. And as such, people will chat about american realated things. Just because someone disagrees with american policy or dislikes the president, doesn't mean every time they make a thread with the word 'america' in it, it is america-bashing.

America has ALWAYS been saturating the world with our media, its nothing new. Whether you pay certain attention to it is your own choice. We do things right, we do things wrong, like any other country, but since weve gotten the reputation as a particularly power and influential one (deserved yes, as we do mingle in the affairs of other countries) everyone's gotta keep their head poked in our open door to see whats up. Theres a finite but large number of other countries commiting atrocities, and an equally large number doing great things that dont get recognised, because American politics are the world's reality TV show. Its "hip" to be up on American policy. You demonstrate this yourself by focusing your standpoint squarely on us. Theres plenty of other stuff in the world to bitch at, you just need to pull your head out of the American ass and look around.


You should chill out and not take the word 'america' to mean all the people who live there or a personal attack against you.

Im going to pause for a moment and create a new word. Fuckwittical. That is the most Fuckwittical nonsense ive ever heard. period.

As in political speak, countries' governments are referred to by the country's name. Example in fox news: "France Opposes Second U.N. Resolution on Iraq". Now this does not mean that all french people oppose it. Nor should it be considered an attack upon them. However i do see that your media has been bashing france and germany and attempted to create a disliking of those countries in the minds of the american people.

Some people support their government, and do stupid things because of it. These are people who are incapable of thinking for themselves. Youll find them all the world over. They are not unique to America. Also, by stereotyping all Americans as behaving in such a manner, you prolly didnt hear yourself say "You should chill out and not take the word 'america' to mean all the people who live there or a personal attack against you." earlier. You continue to by hypocritical and uninformed in your statements.

To me, these are childish acts. And it is no wonder that they are met with animosity. I despise your media and government because of their blatant lies and propadanga and the way they think they can fool people, as if everyone is an idiot.


And if they are so brainnumb that they are totally swayed by biased reporting then yes, they probably are idiots. Are we guilty of brainwashing the people? Nar. I call on the term "Blind Patriots." Weve got them. Every other country has them. These are the types that sit at home praising their leaders 24/7 and taking everything they hear ad-lib. Unfortunatley, its these kind of people that often make the news.


Personally, i can't stand what america has been responsible for over the past 50 or so years. Things such as assasinations, government overthrowing, and support of dictators. Maybe america has done some good deeds. But good things are forgotten easily and are overshadowed by the bad.

No, really, does everything have to be a consipiracy to you? Look at it this way. People bitch when we let foriegn problems go untouched. When we try to fix them, and ammend problems in foriegn policy and governments, they call us assholes for interfering, and say things would have been better off if we werent involved. Then we go back to leaving them alone, and all the sudden some other country is poking in saying "bigger brother, so and so is wrong with the world, fix plz." We try to help, and enter the vicious circle again.

Professing to be pro-democratic whilst creating and/or supporting brutal dictators is a demonstration of the hypocricy which has been so prevalent in the US. And it is because of this hypocricy that I am enraged further. Undermining countries just because they are aligned one way or the other is another example. Goals should be achieved through true diplomacy and not through economic or political pressure. There are reasons why america is hated. Rather than address the symptom, they should fix the cause. America is full of corruption and needs to be fixed. Dominating the world through force is not the way to go about things.

Diplomacy? We try that. We dont create the dictatorships, we try to fix a corrupt regime, and when we support one, they turn their own damn selves into a new one. Then you get pissy cause our solution didnt work, and you demand that we fix it again, But by this time, the foriegn nation has gone maniacal, and is armed with the support we once gave them. Theyre no longer willing to kindly step down. Theyve taken our money and support and run with it quicker than ***** on disability. And you expect us to make things magically better without Force. Well poo on you. At least we try to start with. Just because our fixes dont always keep things fixed doesnt mean we shouldnt try. After all, were the country thats continuously digging ourselves in a financial hole supporting others, cause their neighbors decided they dont like them.

My hatred isn't just limited to people who reside in america and do bad things. I hate retards of all nationalities. But as i made it clear before, america has an ever increasing influence on the world and as such will be exposed to more attacks and the subject of more threads, particularly if it undertakes controversial actions such as the iraq war.

Of course weve got a huge influence on the world. Thats why countries whine to us when they need help, then whine more when that help doesnt work. So heres Iraq, gettin hammered by Iran. Iraq is lookin pretty fine with its resources, so we offer to help. They take the check and run, turn against us. so and so years later, people bitch cause they say weve fucked everything up, and want to know what were gonna do about it. So we go in to fix it. Everyone gets pissy cause we dont sit at a table with mr. maniacal fuckwit and talk to him instead of going in. So we pull out. And so and so years down the line when theyve gotten crazy again, dad tells son to finish what he started. Thats nothing to blame the American people for. Thats a presidential decision.

I hate this society as a whole, espcially the capitalist system whereby if you want to be rich, one hundred other people have to be poor. Private corporations have more influence than ever before, both economically and politically. We are all consumers. Rather than inventing new products to make money with and wasting resources, the focus should be on improving living standards. I believe that privitisation leads to corruption and greed and can only be bad for the populace. I believe that american people are largely victims of this consumer/TV society. And I could go on all day about what is wrong with the world so ill just stop here.

Yar. Thats called economy. Maybe youve never heard of Darwinian Economics, but it really is survival of the fittest. Money is power. You see that everywhere. The only time theyve tried to change that is with Communism, and we all know how well THAT turned out. But noone bitched so much about that, cause they were too busy bashing America over whatever minor policy we had at the time. Even in the Cold War, We never resorted to force, but everyone was busy shouting at us about what we were doing wrong, instead of looking at the bigger picture that we were trying resolve an issue.

Maybe you don't like it when people jump on your back because you support something. Perhaps you feel that you can't write a valid response because it will be met with insults and more 'anti-americanism' or that you will be labelled bush-lover or whatever. But if you jump on the idiot bandwagon and start throwing insults or acting an idiot every time you don't like something, you are no better than the very people who are the cause of your frustration. Failing to acknowledge legitimate concerns won't do you any favours either.

We all have to vent sometimes, and with you in the ring, we have to vent a lot more. End of that story.

Over the last month or so, i've been restraining myself. I've been trying not to flame or rant and have been trying to discuss subjects in an orderly manner and speak like an adult. But certain people have been making it hard.

Well, youve failed. You dont pay attention to anything you post, consider it's legitimacy, or even ask yourself "What bloody good can I achieve by cut/pasting this here?" Youre just a washed up tool, who's trying to cast himself for the sequel to "Conspiracy Theory"

Turtle_Wrangler
17-12-2003, 07:44 AM
The sad thing is, very legitimate posts such as the one about PNAC receive no responses at all. PNAC's agenda is outlined in their own documents and wording. And i don't like it one bit. Stating that events on the scale of pearl harbour are 'catalyists' to further their agenda is disgusting to me. Their total lack of care for life and warmongering concern me, especially because many members now hold senior positions in the US government. With people like Zbigniew Brzezinski and PNAC stressing how a catastrophic event is needed to gain support and to preserve american global hegemony, it is no wonder that conspiracy theories aries. Particularly with all the secrecy and lies that the government propagates concerning 9/11 and terrorism in general. Rather than discounting it out of hand, perhaps you should look into some of the conspiracies/oddities of 9/11. You would be surprised how much truth and cause for concern there really is.

See abouve, you loon.


I post 'anti-american' threads for the following reasons:

A: To make people aware of things which i think are wrong/important
B: To expose hypocricy/propaganda/lies
C: In the hope that you, as americans, will take some kind of action to fix your homeland. Whether it be writing to senators/congressmen or whoever, to discussing issuses with other people to making the right voting choices.

Now you may ask "Why america? Many countries are guilty of some of the same things!". The answer is that america is the only superpower, the most powerful country in the world with the most influence, and they are willing to start wars. They should act responsible and set an example rather than be tools. [/B]

It isnt your place to question an entire country's morals, or propose solutions to our problems. If you wish to influence american decisions youre going to have to reach a lot more people than you can through Zgeek. By posting with such intents here, you simply look like an angry tosser who's screaming at a hundred people to solve the problems of a billion.
Get over yourself.

edit: darn character limit.

asskickergod
17-12-2003, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Peach
Again, what points from his post do you disagree with?

I'm not your masturbatory aid either Peach. It's not my responsibility to rebuke a letter written to another forum member. It would be presumptuous for me to do so and it's despicable for you to ask. However, you could always try to relate my last two posts to DOGG's. I know it would require you to put two and two together, but this may help: Start -> Programs -> Accessories -> Calculator


Originally posted by Peach
Whatever he's said in the past, he has made some reasoned statements about why he feels the way he does.

Since when is the way someone feels supposed to make up for how they act.

It wouldn't be OK for me to kill someone just because I felt angry.

Peach
17-12-2003, 08:10 AM
Personally, I found DOGG's post fairly emotionless, so I was seeking for a non-angry emotionless rebuke, thus far I haven't got one.

Peach
17-12-2003, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by asskickergod
It would be presumptuous for me to do so and it's despicable for you to ask.

My only presumption was that the replies to this thread would be about what DOGG said, not what people thought of him. I wasn't being despicable, just suggesting that if you're going to contribute to a thread it should be on the threads topic, not the author.

asskickergod
17-12-2003, 08:30 AM
There wern't any angry posts here until you arrived and tried to goad everyone into "why don't you quote and respond to everything he said" circular rubbish. The kids telling us his views, what are we to rebuke, "You're wrong, these are your views". No, I'm going to debate his motive and his intent, which are the heart of this matter. If they were not in question he wouldn't have felt the need to make such a spectacle of defending himself and this thread wouldn't exist.

Asmodeus
17-12-2003, 08:45 AM
The thread's topic is mainly about the author.

Peach
17-12-2003, 08:47 AM
I'm not goading anyone, the topic up for discussion is the reasons why DOGG in nervous about the conduct of the United States, which you either agree or disagree with.

If you have nothing to rebuke, don't contribute your feelings for DOGG in place of your rebuttal. Ignore it, It'll drop down the recent topics list much quicker.

He made some points that I agree with and I've heard nothing from you to suggest that they're incorrect.

pleed
17-12-2003, 08:48 AM
The way it has appeared to me is this:
People would start a thread about something political saying "I think xx is bad because xx is not yy" and DOGG would reply saying, "yy may be good but xx cannot zz the pp, yall are a bit silly to think that."

Now, DOGG starts a thread saying "xx cannot zz the pp" and Kleph would reply by saying "fuck you DOGG you shit poo. You are America bashing turd face cunt whore fuck anal".

I don't think that Kleph is doing the same things to DOGG as he has done, I just think he's being mean.

asskickergod
17-12-2003, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Peach
I'm not goading anyone, the topic up for discussion is the reasons why DOGG in nervous about the conduct of the United States, which you either agree or disagree with.


Curious the title being "Dear Mr. Kleph" then isn't it.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Peach
If you have nothing to rebuke, don't contribute your feelings for DOGG in place of your rebuttal. Ignore it, It'll drop down the recent topics list much quicker.

I don't have to rebuke anything to participate in a discussion. That's why the forum is called "Discussions" not, "You must Rebuke This".

Originally posted by Peach
He made some points that I agree with and I've heard nothing from you to suggest that they're incorrect.

Then you should write "DOGG, you made some points I agree with". Then maybe you could add something of your own by appending a "furthermore". Since you didn't do that you're obviously trying to goad people, so begone with you and your insipid schoolyard chatter.

Peach
17-12-2003, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by asskickergod
Since you didn't do that you're obviously trying to goad people, so begone with you and your insipid schoolyard chatter.

Did that sound funny in your head, before you typed it?

All I'm trying to do is steer people towards discussing the points that DOGG raised, not what they think of him.

asskickergod
17-12-2003, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Peach
Did that sound funny in your head, before you typed it?

I wasn't trying to be funny, is that comment yet another attempt at goading me into playing your little game?

Originally posted by Peach
All I'm trying to do is steer people towards discussing the points that DOGG raised, not what they think of him.
So are you saying that you're trying to change the subject of this thread to what your limited perception of it is. Has it worked out for you yet?


Don't worry Peach, I have to leave in about an hour and a half. Then you can be free to make another attempt to twist this thread to whatever your current whim.

kleph
17-12-2003, 09:54 AM
and who is this kelph person, anyway?

Asmodeus
17-12-2003, 09:58 AM
some illiterate wanker, last i heard.

asskickergod
17-12-2003, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by kleph
and who is this kelph person, anyway?

Heh, I hadn't noticed that.

Peach
17-12-2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by kleph
and who is this kelph person, anyway?

hey, jump on someones mistype! that always wins the argument.

asskickergod
17-12-2003, 10:08 AM
So which of the points that kleph raised, do you specifically disagree with?

Peach
17-12-2003, 10:11 AM
Open a seperate thread or PM me, this thread is about why DOGG is nervous about US policy.

Please get back on topic.

Turtle_Wrangler
17-12-2003, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Peach
Open a seperate thread or PM me, this thread is about why DOGG is nervous about US policy.

Please get back on topic.

no it isnt. I suggest you re-read Dogg's initial post, which is an open letter to Kleph, addressing Kleph's support of America, and how they oppose his own views.

....But then, its really what you make of it isnt it?

asskickergod
17-12-2003, 10:16 AM
But you were just talking about mistypes? Maybe you should be the one using Private Messages. You can't even stick to what your own idea of what this topic should be about. God forbid we discuss any underlying issues here on zgeek.

Peach
17-12-2003, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Turtle_Wrangler
no it isnt. I suggest you re-read Dogg's initial post, which is an open letter to Kleph, addressing Kleph's support of America, and how they oppose his own views.

....But then, its really what you make of it isnt it?

You're right here. My bad. But as Kleph's only contribution to the thread was to mention a mis-spelling I was hoping some interesting discussion might come out of the topic.

How wrong I was. :(

P.S. Good night chaps.

DOGG
17-12-2003, 03:03 PM
The response i got doesn't surprise me too much.

Peach: I think you understood what i was trying to say. Thanx for trying to fix the thread.

AKG: I'm not gonna throw any insults back at you. It's addressed to kelph because i belive he has more sense than your and i knew that i would receive nothing but bullshit from your direction, as has been demonstrated. And another thing, all my posts are my opininon, obviously. Nothing is 100% fact to me. It's not necessary to put "this is my belief" in front of everything i say just for your protection. I post what i think. And if you're so naive as to think that you know my 'motives', you need reassess your thinking. Regarding the conscription thread, yeah i stated that there COULD be a draft. And that was my proof for it. But you twist shit around in your head and only believe what you want to. You've obviously got alot of hate in you. And it's clouding your vision. Now if you have nothing meaningful to add, you can stop now.

Turtle Wrangler: You amaze me. You TOTALLY missed the points of my letter. Rather than discussing the issues, you set out to disprove my thing paragraph by paragraph. And where you thought i had a good point, you made excuses. This line in particular concerns me: "Also, by stereotyping all Americans as behaving in such a manner". Where did i stereotype them? I said that "your media has been bashing france and germany and attempted to create a disliking of those countries in the minds of the american people". You missed the point of everything. You're in too much of a defensive mode. No shit im not gonna change america by myself from zgeek. And who the fuck do you think you are, telling me what is and isnt my place? You're an arrogant fool.

Kelph: Response? I know you don't want to break away from your buddies. You may be accused of switching 'sides'. Had they not attacked me, i reckon i probably would've received a response by now.


On the whole, i think that my letter was totally misunderstood and taken as a vent of frustration or anger or whatever. Or some kind of an attack. If it were that i'd simply say FUCK ALL U AMERICAN COCKSUCKERS. It would be much easier. As peach said, the letter is fairly emotionless. And that's what it was meant to be.

So since people obviously didnt get what this letter is, i'll tell them. It's simply my point of view. I didnt accuse anyone of anything, nor did i try and 'tell them off'. I simply stated my thoughts in the hope that i might get a valid response.

Also, i know some people are silly enough to misinterpret what i said above (fuck all u american cocksuckers) as my actual thoughts of them. So i wrote this paragraph.

Necron
17-12-2003, 03:10 PM
This thread is why there is war!

asskickergod
18-12-2003, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by DOGG
AKG: I'm not gonna throw any insults back at you.

i would receive nothing but bullshit from your direction

For someone who claims to "fight" hypocrisy you manage to put enough of it in your posts.

Originally posted by DOGG
And another thing, all my posts are my opininon, obviously. Nothing is 100% fact to me.

You certainly defend your opinions like they're facts to you. You've never conceded that there may be another explanation to anything. All you know is your way and then you wonder why none of your "discussions" go anywhere. It's because you've already reached a conclusion before you finished writing your theory. It's sloppy and illogical.

Originally posted by DOGG
It's not necessary to put "this is my belief" in front of everything i say just for your protection.

Instead you put things like "eat this you sheep". Not only that but you're apparently uninterested in hearing the other side of the coin. When someone trounces your misconceived notions you point to disreputable sources or just make shit up as you go along. It's a transparent ploy DOGG, which is why people would rather just tell you to cram it instead of getting in a garbage recycling match with you.

Originally posted by DOGG
I post what i think. And if you're so naive as to think that you know my 'motives', you need reassess your thinking.

Oh really, go through my first post and explain to me why my assessment of you is wrong. Everything I gathered about your motives is well documented in this forum. You're going to have to better than two sentences to refute what you've written over the last two years.

Originally posted by DOGG
Regarding the conscription thread, yeah i stated that there COULD be a draft. And that was my proof for it.

And as was stated in that thread, bills of that nature are proposed all the time, even before the war. That's like saying Elvis could be alive because I have pictures of him being alive in 1957.

Originally posted by DOGG
But you twist shit around in your head and only believe what you want to.

Hey Kettle, there's someone at the door. It's Pot. He's trying to sell you black.

Originally posted by DOGG
You've obviously got alot of hate in you. And it's clouding your vision. Now if you have nothing meaningful to add, you can stop now.

You're right I do have a lot of hate in me. I abhor the hypocritical notion that hate would cloud my vision when you've so recently expressed your hate for George Bush. My loathing of the ignorance you represent clouds my vision infinitely less then yours of a man that you've never even spoken to.

Cpt. Orangutang
18-12-2003, 07:54 AM
Can you people please stop hijacking this thread with your mumbo-jumbo about gumbo, and get back in the grooove? This thread deserves to keep its topicitude! And, of course, the topic for this thread is posts addressed to "Kelph". As such, I have some things I wish to take up with this "Kelph" person.

Not only is "Kelph" an unliscened sheep wrangler, the sole practitioner of the noble art of flesh orgami, and the inventor of ARPANET, but he is a blackguard of the lowest order (-3 to be precise). As such, "Kelph", I warn you to be on your best behavior, for know that I, Captain Orangutang, am going to be on you like crazy on Charlie Manson. If you so much as sneeze in a Red Lobster salad bar, I will be there to bring the mild discomfort. One slip up, slip down, or even slip sideways, and you'll be fleeing from me like Peach flees from logic classes. Consider yourself admonished and otherwise chastised.

P.S. My man DDOG is keepin' it real up in here, so all you busters better recognize and come correct.