Kim Sun-II execution video .....

[evil]

The video of that poor Korean dood having his head chopped off:

Warning: Graphic Video (http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/downloader.asp?file=/downloads/cj_36037.wmv)

I kind of wish I hadn't seen it. It's like driving past a car crash ...

[DOGG]

Why is it that all these execution videos get reduced to 1fps when the actual beheading is taking place.

[MisterFlibble]

do you actually want to see the beheading in the full 24fps?

[MisterBishi]

Originally posted by DOGG
Why is it that all these execution videos get reduced to 1fps when the actual beheading is taking place.

It's so the guy gets a chance for his whole life to flash before him, it would take forever in real time.

[evil]

Originally posted by DOGG
Why is it that all these execution videos get reduced to 1fps when the actual beheading is taking place.

probably because the cammera is moving so much the encoder doesn't know what to do.

[sagit]

i'm not at all surprised its on CJ

[damo]

Thats pretty fucked. Is this intended to convert me to their cause? It actually made me hope a bunch of american marines find these guys, and make them perfom bizzare sexual acts in a smelly Iraqi prison.

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by damo
and make them perfom bizzare sexual acts in a smelly Iraqi prison.

That's why they're doing it in the first place, in this case it's not intended to convert anyone, it's a warning for outsiders to go away & it's also revenge for the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners.

[and3w]

What codec is needed for this..I thought I was pretty much up to date but it won't play this..(picture; sound OK...ewww)

[flow]

But they get new carpet each time - surely it's a case of sitting outside the exhibition buildings and watching who walks out with a carpet!

We've got the US guy on the way and there's the 3 turkish guys too...

Excellent. Lets hope we get bored of this soon. It'll at least make the contractors and soldiers fight to the death. Well - it's going to be anyway. The US should reciprocate - not the beheading, just shoot on spot.

[damo]

Originally posted by That_Bloke
That's why they're doing it in the first place, in this case it's not intended to convert anyone, it's a warning for outsiders to go away & it's also revenge for the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners.

Hrrmmm, yes revenge, lets hack some poor guy's head off, while he pleads for his life. That'll really get the American's out quick smart.

Events such as this, in my opinion actually put their cause backwards, if they want the Americans out, attack the soldiers, thats generally what happens in war, one group of soldiers fights with another. How does this help anything? Some poor guy, just doing a job gets killed, and humiliated, in a very cowardly act.

[FireHart]

So much blood...:eek:

[Nodbugger]

Originally posted by That_Bloke
That's why they're doing it in the first place, in this case it's not intended to convert anyone, it's a warning for outsiders to go away & it's also revenge for the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners.

It is not revenge. It is just an excuse.

They don't care about the Iraqis.

They are killing 50 Iraqis with every car bomb.

No one in the middle east can talk about mis-treatment of humans.

If they can cut a guys head off...well then I don't think a naked pile will disgust them that much.

This is your excuse for them doing this.

There is no civilized reason to cut someones head off.

[Bostonmess]

How would you go about deterring people from coming into your country and stealing your resources Noddy? Answer the question, don't go off on one about it not being their country, their resources, it's nothing to do with oil, we're only there to help etc. Answer it. How would you deterr them. An honest "I don't know" will do.

They probably don't care for most Iraqis, but then again maybe they have that "You're the disease we're the cure" mentality that justifies their actions?

No one in the Middle East?...ahh forget it, it's not worth bothering with.

Again Noddy, naked piles of men might be attractive to you, but it's probably very bad for them.

There's no excuse for them doing this. Well, I suppose there are hundreds but they're all bullshit.

If there's no excuse for cutting someone's head off, is there also no excuse for lethal injection?

It would make me think twice about being over there.

[Nodbugger]

Originally posted by Bostonmess
How would you go about deterring people from coming into your country and stealing your resources Noddy? Answer the question, don't go off on one about it not being their country, their resources, it's nothing to do with oil, we're only there to help etc. Answer it. How would you deterr them. An honest "I don't know" will do.

They probably don't care for most Iraqis, but then again maybe they have that "You're the disease we're the cure" mentality that justifies their actions?

No one in the Middle East?...ahh forget it, it's not worth bothering with.

Again Noddy, naked piles of men might be attractive to you, but it's probably very bad for them.

There's no excuse for them doing this. Well, I suppose there are hundreds but they're all bullshit.

If there's no excuse for cutting someone's head off, is there also no excuse for lethal injection?

It would make me think twice about being over there.

That is why you are not in charge. You never think twice.

It is stupid to do so.

These people are animals so we must treat them as such. There is no reason to take an innocent person off the street and cut off their head.

No reason for it.

You talk about us not having trials. Well we aren't cutting their fucking heads off.

How come you come up with every excuse for them but there is no excuse for us?

[Bostonmess]

How come you come up with every excuse for them but there is no excuse for us?

Originally posted by Bostonmess
There's no excuse for them doing this. Well, I suppose there are hundreds but they're all bullshit.


Hmmm, sort of typical answer I should have expected really.

How would you go about deterring people from coming into your country and stealing your resources Noddy? Answer the question, don't go off on one about it not being their country, their resources, it's nothing to do with oil, we're only there to help etc. Answer it. How would you deterr them. An honest "I don't know" will do.

[Timformation]

The militias cannot match the US in terms of military might in their wildest dreams.

The only recourse left is guerilla tactics and terrorism.

2+2 = 4.

[Nodbugger]

Originally posted by Bostonmess
Hmmm, sort of typical answer I should have expected really.

How would you go about deterring people from coming into your country and stealing your resources Noddy? Answer the question, don't go off on one about it not being their country, their resources, it's nothing to do with oil, we're only there to help etc. Answer it. How would you deterr them. An honest "I don't know" will do.

What the fuck are you talking about?

We are not stealing shit and no one could steal shit from the US.

I wouldn't cut peoples heads off or do they things they are doing. I would attack military targets and not 50 or 60 of my own people every time.

Why would you even say they have any reason to do this.

This guy was helping Iraqis. Same with every person person they have executed.

They are nothing but murderers.

[Nodbugger]

Originally posted by Timformation
The militias cannot match the US in terms of military might in their wildest dreams.

The only recourse left is guerilla tactics and terrorism.

2+2 = 4.

Or they could peacefully talk to us. We may be a little more cooperative if they did that.

It is alright for them to take action and kill civilians on purpose, but we attack a military and set up a democracy and we are the ultimate evil?

What are you nut jobs smoking?

[Bostonmess]

No no no, they should stop being cowards and fight fairly against Apache helicopters and F-16s. :rolleyes:

2+2 = 4.

Spot on. :)

[Bostonmess]

Originally posted by Nodbugger
Or they could peacefully talk to us. We may be a little more cooperative if they did that.



"Err excuse me, would mind awfully if you stopped invading our country and left our oil alone?"

"Oh ok, if you put it like that then. Bye."

Originally posted by Nodbugger
It is alright for them to take action and kill civilians on purpose, but we attack a military and set up a democracy and we are the ultimate evil?

Is it ok for them to attack civilians? I didn't think it was, but if you say so, maybe it is.

I haven't seen the democracy yet.

[Goat Boy]

Originally posted by evil
The video of that poor Korean dood having his head chopped off:

Warning: Graphic Video (http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/downloader.asp?file=/downloads/cj_36037.wmv)

I kind of wish I hadn't seen it. It's like driving past a car crash ...

That clip was really hard to jerk off too...




...but I did manage it.

[dilligaf]

Originally posted by Bostonmess
No no no, they should stop being cowards and fight fairly against Apache helicopters and F-16s. :rolleyes:

If you had advanced technology over your enemy, would you use it?

The US have an advantage and are using it, just like any smart person would do.

[psi_ko]

its interesting how they call suicide bombers and terrorists who undertake missions they have no chance of living thru cowards.

to me it seems a fair bit more brave than sending ICBMs across the globe from the safety of home soil.

(im not saying this makes the terrorists justifed im just saying they are less cowardly than some would have us believe)

[psi_ko]

Originally posted by Nodbugger

no one could steal shit from the US.

oh no?

The People’s Republic of China (PRC) has stolen classified information on all of the United States’
most advanced thermonuclear warheads, and several of the associated reentry vehicles. These thefts
are the result of an intelligence collection program spanning two decades
http://www.house.gov/hunter/CoxReport-theft.htm

now that source is from the US government.

fuck! you cant keep people from stealing (some of) your most secure military secrets!

[landmachine]

Originally posted by Nodbugger
How come you come up with every excuse for them but there is no excuse for us?

HEAR HEAR. while it is very much contradictory to zgeek groupthink, i would like to call for an end to this tiresome anti-american trend that has become so fashionable of late. it seems you're not allowed to be one of the cool kids unless you don't like america. why don't you all try thinking for yourselves one day?

[psi_ko]

im not anti american

im anti bush
im anti imperialism
im anti greed

just because we dont agree with bush does not make us anti american.

[dilligaf]

Originally posted by psi_ko
its interesting how they call suicide bombers and terrorists who undertake missions they have no chance of living thru cowards.

to me it seems a fair bit more brave than sending ICBMs across the globe from the safety of home soil.

(im not saying this makes the terrorists justifed im just saying they are less cowardly than some would have us believe)

Still, if you had the choice to use the technology, then you would use it. Why would you not use an advantage you have on your opponent?

[psi_ko]

oh im not saying i wouldnt or that the US shouldnt it would be inconcievable that they didnt, im taking issue with people calling other people cowards when they are dying for something they believe in (even if it is misguided)

bostonmess was saying that while their tactics are unsavoury (and i think wrong) it isnt a level playing field. They cant compete with the US airforce.

[dilligaf]

They are cowards because they kill innocent civilians, including the own citizens. The Iraqi terrorists set out to kill civilians, that is why they are considered to be cowards by the US, and rightly so

[VangaloRR]

Originally posted by Goat Boy
That clip was really hard to jerk off too...




...but I did manage it.

:D Ahh Goat Boy I can always count on you to make me laugh! Even when reading about something like this.

[Goat Boy]

Glad to have made you smile. :D

[Afta Image]

Well, personally I believe that no one has a right to take another's life. I think f everyone shared this view then the world would be a better place....

[Evil Dan]

Originally posted by Afta Image
Well, personally I believe that no one has a right to take another's life. I think f everyone shared this view then the world would be a better place....



So I'm assuming that you don't eat meat..........

[psi_ko]

yeah i wont argue that the terrorists involved in sept 11 had the intent to kill civilians, but....

UN sanctions in iraq killed thousands of civilians because food and medicine was not avaliable.

US bombing raids more often than not took out civilians rather than military targets
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1238021,00.html
(thanks dogg)

now to the arab who was at the receiving end of either a bombing or trade sanctions the methods employed by the UN and US would seem rather cowardly now wouldnt they?

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by damo
. That'll really get the American's out quick smart.


Would an intelligent person stay some place if he/she knew there was a very good chance he/she would be killed just for being there?

[Jimma]

Yeah, just like American media only shows the good stuff America are doing, the Iraqis would only hear about the bad stuff.

Still, if you had the choice to use the technology, then you would use it. Why would you not use an advantage you have on your opponent?

Just quickly, why are we refering to the Iraqis as America's oppenent? You're there to help them remember.

The people beheading those they see as evil would see being able to behead people as an advantage. In your very own words, "Why would you not use an advantage you have on your opponent?" These people are probably more disgusted by the way the Americans don't mind killing civilians just to kill a few bad guys than we are disgusted with this. They obviously are going to take an invasion of their country (which it is) very badly. Nodbugger if you were an Iraqi, who had never lived under a democracy and thought it was a stupid idea, and would take away your country's culture and religion, you would be very much displeased. Don't say "but that's not how it is" because although that's not how you see it, it would be how they see it. Your cock-fuckery shits me no end, you and your pro-wank propaganda.

[Evil Dan]

There's something terribly barbaric about the beheading of innocent civillians and ultimately it will do more harm than good in gaining autonomy for the Iraqi people. These terrorists should take a lesson from the civilised world, bomb the shit out some civillian buildings, make sure the media only reports what you want them to report, grab a few sheets of metal and a few engine components and then tell the rest of the world that it was a weapons manufacturing plant and therefore a military target that had to be eliminated. It doesn't get much more sanitised than that.

[dilligaf]

Originally posted by Jimma
Just quickly, why are we refering to the Iraqis as America's oppenent? You're there to help them remember.

Ummmm......how about no. The enemy is the terrorist fuckheads.

Thats who the Americans are trying to get rid of out of Iraq, not the Iraqis. How the fuck can you think the Iraqis are the enemy. At what point did i say that the Iraqis were the enemy. It is the Iraqi terrorists that are the enemy, and for that matter, any terrorists.

[Evil Dan]

Yeah !!! The Iraqis haven't been the enemy for at least a couple of months now.

[and3w]

Originally posted by dilligaf
Ummmm......how about no. The enemy is the terrorist fuckheads.

Thats who the Americans are trying to get rid of out of Iraq, not the Iraqis. How the fuck can you think the Iraqis are the enemy. At what point did i say that the Iraqis were the enemy. It is the Iraqi terrorists that are the enemy, and for that matter, any terrorists.

Actually, from what I have read/seen, the majority of the "terrorist's" are Iraqi, former members of the "Elite Republican Guard", former senior member of the Iraqi Ba'ath Party, or just Iraqi 'Patriots' (from their point of view).
They may be getting logistical, weapon or other help from outsiders (in fact I am sure of it) but whatever they are Iraqis. Sick fucks, attacking their own (never mind the foreigners) I am certain that killing other Muslims is wrong, no matter how you interpret the Koran.

[Timformation]

Nodbugger. The main fallacy that the American's are missing is that they are assuming that the Iraqi people WANT democracy.

Installing a democratic government in Iraq is akin to forcing Texas to become Islamic.

How would American's react to that? In much the same way I imagine.

[Afta Image]

Originally posted by Evil Dan
So I'm assuming that you don't eat meat..........

Touch'e....

[RASPUTIN]

I love how posts go off track. Now getting back to the video. Thats one of the most horrible things I have ever seen. The gurgling sound of him screaming when they cut through his neck made me feel cold. I know it is never going to happen but I so wish that everyone would get the fuck out of the middle east and let them go back to killing each other. I think it was nodburger that said. "They are animals". I disagree, they are humans of the worst kind. Saying they are animal is an insult to animals. Only a human could reach such a depraved level. I'd get angry over it but it is so sad.

[gooey]

Originally posted by Goat Boy
That clip was really hard to jerk off too...




...but I did manage it.

gold!

[Jimma]

The enemy is the terrorist fuckheads

And now the definition of terrorism:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

From the very definition of the word terrorism, the American government are a terrorist group. They are using force or violence to coerce societies or governments, for political reasons (to create a democracy.) So are you suggesting that the enemy of the Americans is the Americans?

It is stupid to refer to anyone doing something you don't like as a terrorist and to assume they are the only terrorists. You're fighting fire with fire, but you claim to be saving burn victims.

[imp]

Basically what other way do these people have of getting the attention of the world leaders who just keep on having troops occupying Iraq and won't pull out?

They have no other way. They set off bombs every day as a deterent but no-one will leave so now this is the next step.

I do NOT condone what's happened in any way. Let me make this clear, BUT I do understand why it's being done.
These people are poor and desperate. Desperate people do desperate things.

[and3w]

Seconded:
as in IRA, some old South Afrrican groups, palestinian groups. When we deny them the right of self-determination or even speech we create terrorism, the only option left to some

[psi_ko]

i wouldnt say create it, but we make the option more attractive.

when their lives so miserable and they become so desperate, should we be suprised when they react in this way?

[Bostonmess]

Originally posted by Nodbugger
How come you come up with every excuse for them but there is no excuse for us?

Originally posted by landmachine
HEAR HEAR. while it is very much contradictory to zgeek groupthink, i would like to call for an end to this tiresome anti-american trend that has become so fashionable of late. it seems you're not allowed to be one of the cool kids unless you don't like america. why don't you all try thinking for yourselves one day?

Originally posted twice before by Bostonmess
There's no excuse for them doing this. Well, I suppose there are hundreds but they're all bullshit.

Landmachine, if you point out any anti American people comments I will agree with you that they are bullshit. I will not agree with you about anyone being anti-Bush or anti-American government/administration.

Personally I'd love to visit America, although I probably never will.

You say: why don't we all try thinking for ourselves one day? It's 'cos most of 'em are a dumb set of Aussie thick cunts :D :D ;)

Anyway, here's how I see it.

There's a growing belief among the Middle East/Muslims that the West is trying to take over their lands, steal their resources, destroy their culture?

Now if you take that as a given, and you don't necessarily have to, then would you not think it was playing into that belief by: invading their land, piping out their oil, setting up democracy (Fox news etc).

Democracy being the same system that, in the eyes of an devout Arab Muslim? gives you: GWB, rampant drugs, rape, murder, prostitution, heart disease, bankruptcy upon illness etc.

I'm sorry, but I think that for someone to have the opinion that what we have done is a good idea, well I just find it so crass it's unbelievable, so unbelievable in fact I start thinking it's not true, I start thinking there's some other reason for it.

I can't believe we are actually so dumb as to strengthen their own argument, the argument that is used to recruit people against us. It's like we're trying to incite them?

Originally by dilligaf
If you had advanced technology over your enemy, would you use it?

The US have an advantage and are using it, just like any smart person would do.

Yup. However the opposing side obviously doesn't have these things, so they resort to what they do have. Faith in God and hatred of infidels.

Both pretty simple things to understand, civilians come over helping the coalition, they get their heads chopped off, no big surprise there either. We bomb their lands, they bomb ours. We use superb, technolically amzing, killing machines, they strap on bombs made from fertilizer.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that boith sides are perpetuating each others actions does it?

So why is it that some people seem to struggle with it, could it be that they thnk that there will be something better in it for them if we weather the storms? Uh oh, I'm entering the realms of the conspiracy theorist again.

[dw33b]

Gruesome. Looking at stuff like this makes me thankful though. It makes me glad that I'm alive. However horrible that may sound.