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Pirate
30-12-2004, 11:40 AM
Doom!

Aardvark
30-12-2004, 11:43 AM
I agree. Everyone will turn into zombies, except for one damn near invincible shotgun toting marine, who will roam the earth, pumping shell after shell into stinking zombi hide

thingy
30-12-2004, 11:44 AM
There is no option of "God will destroy it because of the gays in Sydney because John Sunol says so!"

polite
30-12-2004, 11:54 AM
Not with a bang but a whimper.

ShinymetalASS
30-12-2004, 12:02 PM
Shit... I never realised we were civilised...

Hired Goon
30-12-2004, 12:25 PM
I chose Asteroid cos of that movie about armageddon with the Bruce Willis in it. I think it was called "the big rock that was going to crash into the earth until Bruce Willis saved the world, and his daughter was hot".

kré
30-12-2004, 12:38 PM
and his daughter was hot".

and how

berserk
30-12-2004, 01:22 PM
An asteriod will trigger earthquakes & tsunamis causing pollution and decimating already stretched fresh water sources, percipitating war in a desperate contest for resources to avoid famine.

So yeah, its pirate's fart.

hooptieride
30-12-2004, 01:44 PM
Shat on from a great height.

Asmodeus
30-12-2004, 02:13 PM
Noddy will be accepted into MENSA and the universe will then explode

druckfugged
30-12-2004, 02:38 PM
I think the monkeys will revolt and enslave all humanity

thingy
30-12-2004, 02:41 PM
You are all wrong! Civilization ends with the credits of all those who made the game! I cannot believe you all got this so wrong!

Asmodeus
30-12-2004, 05:08 PM
it does not, i already beat the end boss, he wasn't that hard.

peto
30-12-2004, 05:18 PM
Can we combine answers?

Polution caused by One of Pirates Farts?

Aardvark
30-12-2004, 05:21 PM
Or with ruins saying you will live again and a score that, hopefully, beats Dan Quayle

Merudo
30-12-2004, 05:25 PM
I agree. Everyone will turn into zombies, except for one damn near invincible shotgun toting marine, who will roam the earth, pumping shell after shell into stinking zombi hide
the future sounds so beautiful *wipes tear from eye*

Cassa
30-12-2004, 05:25 PM
Where's the overpopulation option?

Sutter
30-12-2004, 06:39 PM
Where's the overpopulation option?

it is there, in the form of:
Pollution
Famine
Lack of fresh water

reykjavik
30-12-2004, 06:45 PM
When Loki breaks free of his imprisonment and brings Fenrir and co. to Midgard, well then, we're fucked!

legion
30-12-2004, 09:21 PM
Giant Ants

s3raph
31-12-2004, 01:40 AM
Hahaha. That SBS movie was so cool :p

beowulf437
31-12-2004, 02:58 AM
Do you mean civilization (with a small 'c') or Civilization (with a big 'C')?

The term civilization means that people have a written language, goverment, religion, and agriculture. This has been going on for at least 6,000 years (maybe a lot longer), and will continue as long as there are humans. The term Civilization means the dominance of a way of life and a type of thinking. Classical Mediterranean Civilization is an example of this starting with the Minoans and Phonecians and ending with the Romans a particular world view dominated the area.

Western Civilization as we live in today began in the 15th century with the establishment of true nation states. The Black Death of the 14th century, the Hundred Years War, and the expulsion of the Moors from western Europe all had a hand in establishing Western Civilization. Western Civilization is characterised by people believing they are not just citizens of a city or region but of a larger nation, and a shift of power from the few elite to the greater population as a whole.

Western Civilization countinued it's rise to pre-emminance through to the early 20th century with the end of the last truly powerful monarchies in Austria, Germany, Turkey, China and Russia. Like all things once reaching its peak Western Civilization has been in decline. Things like the Second World War, the Cold War, the rise and collapse of communism in Europe, and the ever erupting states of anarchy in former European colonies have begun eating away at Western Civilization.

Now we are facing our greatest threat, our own success. We have extended the lives of the global population, and reduced infant and childhood mortality. We have mitigated the effects of famine and disaster. We have found cures and treatments for a number of diseases. We haven't had a truly major war in 60 years. We are facing starvation by our own hands. There are fewer and fewer countries that can produce food enough for thier own populations and with the cost of transportation growing each year more and more people will be suffering. The end of our civilization could be within the lifetimes of some of the people who post on this board. Those that have will will be faced with those that haven't and it will tear goverments and nations apart.

Asmodeus
31-12-2004, 03:01 AM
i like his answer

lectrotext
31-12-2004, 03:09 AM
Those that have will will be faced with those that haven't and it will tear goverments and nations apart.

The haven'ts will be zombies and the haves are...well, you get it don't you? C'mon zombies want brains; we have brains... It's like math or something.

StudMuffin
31-12-2004, 03:39 AM
zombie uprising - Dawn of the Dead was much more fun than Armageddon

lostreality
31-12-2004, 04:52 AM
WW3

america will blow every body up.

Asmodeus
31-12-2004, 06:01 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

beowulf437
31-12-2004, 07:12 AM
In repping me for my previous post beserk asked "so what's the answer", there isn't one.

Sure you can slow the inevitable but all Civilizations come to an end at some point. The Roman Empire lingered on in it's death throws until 1453 with the fall of Constantinople. Western Civilization can be expected to do much the same. The best that can be done is to try to survive it. No, I am not talking about holding up in some cabin in the woods with a shit load of guns and a years supply of chocalate bars, but being prepared to face some hardships. Think of what it would be like if a litre gasoline (petrol) cost more than a days pay, if your local grocery only stocked the shelves once a month, you electricity was only on for a few hours a day, and you had to hand carry your water to your home. It is like this in many countries now and hundreds of billions of dollars aren't going to change it, in fact it may accelerate the proccess. If you took the enire GDP of the US and spread it across the world in would amount to about $1700 per person but would that help?

Here are some figures.

The global GDP is about $8,200 per capita, $51 trillion.

To raise everyone to the standard of living in Britain it would cost $174.5 trillion.

They would need to consume 180 million barrels of oil per day. World production is 76 million per day. They would consume 9.2 tillion cubic metres of natural gas per year. World production is 2.6 trillion. They would consume 35 tillion kWh of electricity. world production is 14 trillion kWh.

So heres the deal. Cut back consumption in western nations to about a third of what they consume now. Raise the standard of living everywhere else to that level. Distribute the population more evenly across the planet to reduce local impact. Put limits on the number of children that can be born. Put limits on medical treatment to the elderly, handicapped, and those with congenital defects. Do all that and your just delaying what will happen for a few more years.

lectrotext
31-12-2004, 07:26 AM
In repping me for my previous post beserk asked "so what's the answer",

The answer is devleop freaking zombies to eat the over-consuming First World! (that's will teach us and it will be particularlly just in that we or at least our brains, are consumed for over-consuming). Hey, isn't Haiti good at making zombies...?

Asmodeus
31-12-2004, 09:04 AM
due to teh exponential nature of population growth, when teh end comes, it'll mostly likely be quick and messy.. that will be the end of civilization with a little c.. the end of Civilization with a big C wont happen for a very long time. humans, like any other animal have a nasty habit of being survivors since evolution has put those traits into us. it would take a rather severe catastrophe to wipe out everyone. ost likely, this would come after civilization has fragmented and a world sweeping disease runs its course rendering females sterile. why females? becuase rendering females inert is the most effective method of controling a population. a man can start teh reproduction cycle theoretically every day at least, a woman, once she being the cycle (ie getting knocked up) is out of the cycle for about 10-11 months (9 for the pregnancy, and 1-2 months for her monthly cycle to restart and body to be ready to do it over again in teh best case scenario).

dozer
31-12-2004, 09:05 AM
wheres the 4 horses option?

thingy
31-12-2004, 09:12 AM
I prefer the 4 elephants.

dwarfthrower
31-12-2004, 09:13 AM
"The four hamsters of the apocolypse" has a nice ring to it.

Asmodeus
31-12-2004, 09:16 AM
the four horsemen have been upgraded to more moderm problems and thus are named:

Grievous Bodily Harm
Cruelty to Animals
Really Cool People
(among other names) Things Not Working Properly Even When You've Given Them a Good Thumping.

dozer
31-12-2004, 09:16 AM
the end is nigh then

djcreedy
31-12-2004, 06:19 PM
Its zombie uprising by far... how awesome would that be. Think about all the shotgun mayhem to be had.. i think thats what heaven is, one day you wake in a situation like in the dawn of the dead... you start scrolling with your mouse wheel (its the after life, i can have what i like!) you flick through your weapons, screw drive, chainsaw and shotgun (evil dead style shotty of course) and then you go on a rampage to kill all zombies... this is what people call "limbo" if you do good, you pass. and then who knows what... im bored now..

Evil Dan
31-12-2004, 06:25 PM
As we speak a huge meteor is headed towards the earth, I've seen it but I'm not telling anyone until I secure the copyright licenses and print off a shitload of "End of the World" T-shirts.

I know you can name comets but my lawyers are having trouble getting my name attached to an Asteroid.


When you think about it who wouldn't want to be destroyed by " Evil Dan's good old fashioned big motherfucker pound you up the arse asteroid "

Androssi
31-12-2004, 10:42 PM
"The four hamsters of the apocolypse" has a nice ring to it.


I had a dream last night where the four Shetland ponies of the apocolypse, Noddy, Pirate, dwarfthrower and thingy came to enslave the world.

Marshall77
08-01-2005, 12:38 AM
I dont know what Pirates farts are like but afterimages are bad they make you throwup.

but the rest of us we will all get blown up because of a few bumb fucks.

lostreality
08-01-2005, 12:42 AM
robots will kill us all.

http://www.aoqz76.dsl.pipex.com/Web%20Page%20Components/Wallpaper/TV/Bender%20Futurama.jpg

SuCC
09-01-2005, 06:20 PM
How could a tsunami end the world? It would have to be kilometres high!! I want a yellow submarine if this is possible

polite
10-01-2005, 12:43 AM
How will civilization end?
How will a relatively high level of culture or technology end?.
'Civilization' is just a word that we use to describe what we think we should be. I don't think we are that 'civilized' but that's just me.

"A man was shipwrecked on a strange shore, he walked wearily inland and saw a rotting corpse hanging from a gallows.He fell to his knees and thanked God that he had at last found a sign of civilization"

I think the most likely scenario would be a Haemorragic Fever type virus, of which the Black Death was one. It wasn't the bubonic plague as a lot of people think. That is transmitted by rats and their fleas. The Black Death occurred in places where there were no rats. Iceland is one example. It had an incubation period of 37 to 40 days where it could be passed on without symptoms being apparent. So even back in 1347 it could travel a long way.The symptoms and transmission were most similar to the ebola virus. It depopulated Europe by about half and it took 150 years to repopulate to pre-plague levels.If it occurred today it would fuck the world over big-time. Think of the madness and paranoia of SARS and avian bird flu or whatever that was and multiply it by a lot.
We are largely dependent on technology.Many of us have lost the ability to survive at a basic level. Food production relies on electricity and the internal combustion engine.If large numbers of people got sick and died we would shut ourselves away for fear of it.People don't go to work, power grids shut down. No power, no fridges, microwave ovens, air-conditioners, internet, no transport, no stock markets, convenience foods, who's milked a cow or slaughtered one?, who's killed, plucked and eaten a chook?.Only some of us and they've just died.Watching Survivor and doing it are different.
Most people live in close proximity to one another so it would spread through denser populations quicker. America for example. (If you think I was having a crack I'll mention Asia too :).)
Yep, the plague would be my bet. Human life originated in the rift valley area of Africa so why can't it's death?. Ebola and other nasties have turned up not so far away. There is no cure and interestingly outbreaks lasted for 9 months. Life and death and the whole damn thing.
My 2 cents.

urban_gorilla
14-01-2005, 11:05 AM
'sif the last thing said before the univense ends wont be "hey, i wonder what this button does"

Afta Image
14-01-2005, 05:58 PM
I think it is going to be the monkey's, after all, men have been spanking their monkey's for hundreds of thousands of years....

beowulf437
15-01-2005, 01:42 AM
The trouble with fast moving deadly plagues is that they tend to burn themselves out quickly. Another problem is that the diseases and the humans evolve to to co-exist. Third problem is that plagues do as much to build civilizations as destroy them. The Black Death that swept europe in the 14th century was responsible for the Renaissance in the 15th. By killing 75+ million people the survivors were faced with a world that had more available resources and that each person was more valuable. Also the survivors were stronger than the previous generations for being the survivors.

sherlockohms
15-01-2005, 10:07 AM
It's already over.
The world actually ended when George W Bush took over the USA. I have proof. He has an advice column in the Washington news. His pen name is "Auntie Christ"

quartz_donkey
15-01-2005, 03:04 PM
"We will not spank the monkey, the monkey will spank us."

useless_kraap
16-01-2005, 05:39 AM
I think the monkeys will revolt and enslave all humanity

i just think they're up to something *shifty eyes*

4X4
16-01-2005, 10:12 AM
Obviously because of someone's future generations. Either mine, Bush's or the Peanut Butter Jelly banana :banana: .

iaidoka
17-01-2005, 10:21 AM
Not with a bang but a whimper.

aaaaargh damnit where is that from. Its going to drive me crazy until I can remember where the quotes from..

MADCAT
19-01-2005, 08:17 PM
Were gonna end up blowing ourselves up either with WMD's, a massively huge asteroid or lots of people farting at the same time then lighting a match.

Ins0mniac
19-01-2005, 08:28 PM
How will civilization end?
How will a relatively high level of culture or technology end?.
'Civilization' is just a word that we use to describe what we think we should be. I don't think we are that 'civilized' but that's just me.

See. That's where everyone goes wrong. Civilizations and the word civilized does not have anything to do with the word utopia.

It just means a large community that works together and makes buildings, from what I see.

The ancient Egyptians are considered a civillization but that doesn't mean we think society should built giant pyramids for John Howard and worship the sun (Oh, wait us Aussies do that second one, but anyway).

And we certainly shouldn't make human sacrafices like those natives in South America did. But they were still civilized because they had buildings and a complex infrustructure to their community.

(Man, I do go on and on about things totally off topic sometimes.... Hmmmm.)

beachcomber
20-01-2005, 05:59 AM
Anyone ever heard of Armeggedon? Won't it be fun to watch on CNN?

arelius19
22-01-2005, 03:45 PM
of course well blow our selves up.. we like things that go boom..
but maybe it wont kill us and just cause a nuclear winter or one of those things and kill us that way... but itll definately be 100% our fault

beachcomber
25-01-2005, 03:50 AM
boom

gooey
04-02-2005, 01:40 PM
oook ook oook

lowededwookie
04-02-2005, 02:22 PM
I've already told you lot how it will end.

Why you no risten? :D

http://forums.zgeek.com/showpost.php?p=487858&postcount=68

or

http://forums.zgeek.com/showpost.php?p=487901&postcount=71

Directed
04-02-2005, 02:43 PM
It will end when parents let their kids stay over night in Michael Jacksons bed.

OH MY GOD CIVILIZATION HAS ENDED!!!!!! EVERYONE RUN!!!!!!

Fuzzy Dice
25-02-2005, 06:04 PM
I choose asteroid, due to lack of straight up, good ol' fashioned old testament smiting as an option. Either that or aliens enslave humanity because, oh, let's say we're delicious.

Cain-o
26-02-2005, 03:46 AM
Eventually a woman will be voted President in the U.S.A.. Approximately 30-60 days later the world will be destroyed.

and3w
27-02-2005, 01:49 AM
Ask John Cooper-Clarke!

When somebody nicks my Avatar and I have to get a new one :spingo: :spingo:

wolfpac181
27-02-2005, 06:41 AM
How will civilization end?

either you wipe out all other Civ's or do the space race to Alpha-Centari. either way.... It's a good waste of time playing Sid Meier's Civilization. Countless hours of fun!

jae_hyung
27-02-2005, 09:10 PM
america will play a part

sagit
27-02-2005, 11:13 PM
You are all wrong! Civilization ends with the credits of all those who made the game! I cannot believe you all got this so wrong!


wrong, buster. it will end with a "Fatal Exception Error"

lowededwookie
28-02-2005, 01:33 PM
Eventually a woman will be voted President in the U.S.A.. Approximately 30-60 days later the world will be destroyed.
Nope, it will be the 28th Day. ;)

ms edeity
28-02-2005, 01:44 PM
it will end WHEN I SAY SO ! now go to bed damnit.

mcrand
09-03-2005, 07:47 AM
Asteroid will probably end civilization. We can stop a plague and earthquake would not be big enough to effect everyone.

lowededwookie
09-03-2005, 08:19 AM
I will be sitting in a field just looking into the sky and trying to name what each cloud looks like when suddenly I fart into the ground, splitting the earth right down the middle. One half of the earth will float off into space and explode - hopefully the bit with Nodbugger on.

The other half will crash into the moon and join with it creating a new planet called Merth where everyone will be happy and have fun all the time.

I will warn the Zeekers in the affected regions that will be on the part that floats off into space - except for Noddy - and we will organise for them to come to our half so that they will survive and we can all have a happy planet for once. :D

edit:

Oops I destroyed the whole world
I did a big fart
And tore the whole world apart

(sung to the tune of "Oops I did it again" by that talentless wench Britney Spears).

mcrand
09-03-2005, 08:26 AM
Would the gas from your fart also be toxic enough to kill as many if not more than the earthquake?

lowededwookie
09-03-2005, 08:29 AM
Would the gas from your fart also be toxic enough to kill as many if not more than the earthquake?
No, because my farts don't stink. ;) :fart:

mcrand
09-03-2005, 08:32 AM
That would be something to see!

beachcomber
18-03-2005, 09:23 AM
with a big boom

eeefreak
01-04-2005, 09:36 AM
satanic atomic monkeys.

i like monkeys :)

mabs
03-04-2005, 05:09 AM
Don't you people pay attention, John Titor (http://johntitor.com/) already came from the future and told us.

wanderlust
03-04-2005, 06:01 PM
I think the end is nigh.

The earth cant cope with our raping of it any longer and we are buliding unsustainable cities and settlements.

I think we are all going to suffer long and horrible deaths, first by destroying certain areas, then all living in a couple of overcrowded areas and eventually destryoing ourselves untill the earth quakes, storms, heats and explodes killing most of us, and then the rest of us will kill eacother off by fighting over what is left.

mcnish
03-04-2005, 06:17 PM
yes i think plaque will kill us all

...

oh

metalgod
07-04-2005, 11:54 AM
war is quickly moving up the list... fear north korea! :aah:

RedMaN
12-04-2005, 01:58 PM
Zombies pwnz j00 all!! :D

r0p3 g1rl
12-04-2005, 05:01 PM
Plague or war

Plough
12-04-2005, 05:34 PM
When Hazza becomes president.

perverse.
13-04-2005, 02:00 PM
hollywood has taught me one thing, and that is that a zombie uprising is 100% guarenteed.

LauraleeBug
18-04-2005, 02:48 PM
It's almost *too obvioius* that youse may as well be able to *see* me vote........

Of course the only explanation can be overlord monkeys (in conjuction with the reverse-vampires, of course) so that's my vote & I'm sticking with it!

/me acts out charltonheston/troymcclure "best ending" ever in my spare time... I won't bother you with it in this post,but (lucky youse - poor Android)LOL! :p


Lauralee >8)>=<< Bug
Opinions on: >80>=<< Virtually Everything! (why not? :D )

Thyrd
18-04-2005, 10:34 PM
WHEN I PUSH THIS BUTTON....

NOW....!!!!!

NomadGnome
19-04-2005, 02:39 PM
Cylons

anothe
06-05-2005, 11:48 AM
http://www.jestmag.com/3-5/images/zombie/zombie%20attack%201a.jpg

cmon people


zombies

iCARUS
17-05-2005, 10:34 PM
Who's with me in taking over a Woolies/Coles and living there for a few months while the zombies take over the world?

Below is link to a zombie survival guide
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/4/18/153047/155

:)

Sagacious
18-05-2005, 12:00 AM
What you don't realise of course is that civilisation is ending and were the ones doing the ending of it.

Wow that was deep where the fuck did that come form?

ewe2
08-07-2005, 10:23 AM
T.S. Eliot - The Waste Land

ewe2
08-07-2005, 10:26 AM
you thought for more than 5 seconds about the implications of daily life?

Tophizzle
08-07-2005, 11:37 AM
It's going to be ended by a commet in 2012 (Bible codes).

Bible codes rule.

Tophizzle
08-07-2005, 11:38 AM
How come I can't edit my posts in this thread???

Kon-EL
11-07-2005, 04:11 PM
There should have been an option saying War because the monkeys and zombies r uprising and they join forces to kill all the humans because we made them that way... Both parties stink and have hair in places they don't want.. :D

4X4
11-07-2005, 04:46 PM
How come I can't edit my posts in this thread???
Are you a mod? :pumpy: :pumpy: :pumpy: :pumpy: :pumpy:

Z-Man
12-07-2005, 08:22 AM
it does not, i already beat the end boss, he wasn't that hard.

Of course he was easy, that was only your first time thru the game.. You have to play a second time for the "real" ending

Jabro
13-07-2005, 08:04 PM
supernova of the sun

4X4
14-07-2005, 03:21 AM
supernova of the sun:stooge: :stooge: :stooge: :stooge:

FreeQuest
02-08-2005, 05:01 PM
it either zombie or monkey... pity you didnt have Zombie monkeys as well

Siamhie
03-08-2005, 05:57 AM
looks like the monkey uprising is taking over :pumpy:


*i should've payed more attention to planet of the apes*

Broken
12-08-2005, 04:43 PM
My first thought was the Z-Geek Orgy but Asteroid was my second choice

pnkru`
29-08-2005, 05:53 AM
Aahhhhhhhh! Monkeys Are Eating My Face Off

pnkru`
29-08-2005, 05:54 AM
w00t my 300th post.. yay me not

munganah
22-09-2005, 01:21 AM
i was gonna write something witty and humourous but its late and im a bit sleepy.
monkeys somehow?

Funk Puppet
22-09-2005, 08:22 AM
it does not, i already beat the end boss, he wasn't that hard.

I want the cheat sheet. Some fucker locked out the Uber easy noob level. I got my ass handed to me in the first level :(

Booberella
23-09-2005, 12:04 AM
i hope the whole universe suddenly stops expanding and implodes... cause being squished into oblivian would be an awesome way to go, then the outwards BOOOM!

d3kst3r
23-09-2005, 01:41 AM
The scariest and a real possibility is that a black hole suddenly swallows our solar system or even worse, a super nova explodes in a nearby solar system destroying our own.
*Shudders

KamoKid
07-03-2006, 12:06 PM
...i actually dont care which one it is.... they all sound good :8:

Furball
13-04-2006, 07:11 PM
Where is the "death to all humans by wraith" option???
its gonna happen, truth I swear.:weed:

Icky
03-05-2006, 07:20 AM
I still think we will breed ourselves into extiction.
the declining birth rates of "civilised" society is a worrying sign.
look at china they are going to have a massive population problem once the new generation finishes growing. (big lack of females) ah, but its all good mate, she'll be right :8:

Xythan
04-06-2006, 01:06 AM
Do you mean civilization (with a small 'c') or Civilization (with a big 'C')?

The term civilization means that people have a written language, goverment, religion, and agriculture. This has been going on for at least 6,000 years (maybe a lot longer), and will continue as long as there are humans. The term Civilization means the dominance of a way of life and a type of thinking. Classical Mediterranean Civilization is an example of this starting with the Minoans and Phonecians and ending with the Romans a particular world view dominated the area.

Western Civilization as we live in today began in the 15th century with the establishment of true nation states. The Black Death of the 14th century, the Hundred Years War, and the expulsion of the Moors from western Europe all had a hand in establishing Western Civilization. Western Civilization is characterised by people believing they are not just citizens of a city or region but of a larger nation, and a shift of power from the few elite to the greater population as a whole.

Western Civilization countinued it's rise to pre-emminance through to the early 20th century with the end of the last truly powerful monarchies in Austria, Germany, Turkey, China and Russia. Like all things once reaching its peak Western Civilization has been in decline. Things like the Second World War, the Cold War, the rise and collapse of communism in Europe, and the ever erupting states of anarchy in former European colonies have begun eating away at Western Civilization.

Now we are facing our greatest threat, our own success. We have extended the lives of the global population, and reduced infant and childhood mortality. We have mitigated the effects of famine and disaster. We have found cures and treatments for a number of diseases. We haven't had a truly major war in 60 years. We are facing starvation by our own hands. There are fewer and fewer countries that can produce food enough for thier own populations and with the cost of transportation growing each year more and more people will be suffering. The end of our civilization could be within the lifetimes of some of the people who post on this board. Those that have will will be faced with those that haven't and it will tear goverments and nations apart.

In repping me for my previous post beserk asked "so what's the answer", there isn't one.

Sure you can slow the inevitable but all Civilizations come to an end at some point. The Roman Empire lingered on in it's death throws until 1453 with the fall of Constantinople. Western Civilization can be expected to do much the same. The best that can be done is to try to survive it. No, I am not talking about holding up in some cabin in the woods with a shit load of guns and a years supply of chocalate bars, but being prepared to face some hardships. Think of what it would be like if a litre gasoline (petrol) cost more than a days pay, if your local grocery only stocked the shelves once a month, you electricity was only on for a few hours a day, and you had to hand carry your water to your home. It is like this in many countries now and hundreds of billions of dollars aren't going to change it, in fact it may accelerate the proccess. If you took the enire GDP of the US and spread it across the world in would amount to about $1700 per person but would that help?

Here are some figures.

The global GDP is about $8,200 per capita, $51 trillion.

To raise everyone to the standard of living in Britain it would cost $174.5 trillion.

They would need to consume 180 million barrels of oil per day. World production is 76 million per day. They would consume 9.2 tillion cubic metres of natural gas per year. World production is 2.6 trillion. They would consume 35 tillion kWh of electricity. world production is 14 trillion kWh.

So heres the deal. Cut back consumption in western nations to about a third of what they consume now. Raise the standard of living everywhere else to that level. Distribute the population more evenly across the planet to reduce local impact. Put limits on the number of children that can be born. Put limits on medical treatment to the elderly, handicapped, and those with congenital defects. Do all that and your just delaying what will happen for a few more years.

HMM...Interesting...yes I know this is all old...but...

I think we should just kill off a few billion (China, Indonesia, Mongolia, Korea, East Russia, India, Britain, France, Spain, Africa - yes the whole lot - The United States of America, South America, Pakistan and all the other 'stans) and that should do the rest of us fine...