Iraqi women no better off post-Saddam - Amnesty [Archive]

darns

25-02-2005, 02:44 PM

In a report entitled "Iraq -- Decades of Suffering," it said that while the systematic repression under Saddam had ended, it had been replaced by increased murders, and sexual abuse -- including by U.S. forces.

Washington promised that the overthrow of Saddam would free the Iraqi people from years of oppression and set them on the road to democracy. But Amnesty said post-war insecurity had left women at risk of violence and curtailed their freedoms.

"The lawlessness and increased killings, abductions and rapes that followed the overthrow of the government of Saddam Hussein have restricted women's freedom of movement and their ability to go to school or to work," Amnesty said.

"Women have been subjected to sexual threats by members of the U.S.-led forces and some women detained by U.S. forces have been sexually abused, possibly raped," it added.

Amnesty said several women detained by U.S. troops had spoken in interviews with them of beatings, threats of rape, humiliating treatment and long periods of solitary confinement.

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005022113450002453854&dt=20050221134500&w=RTR&coview=

An obviously biased and unreliable source - Amnesty International.

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 03:17 PM

Jesus fucking Christ. You cannot go to war with a country and expect it to be fixed in a second.

You people have no fucking patience.

JediKnight

25-02-2005, 03:27 PM

Jesus fucking Christ. You cannot go to war with a country and expect it to be fixed in a second.

You people have no fucking patience.
Iraq was invaded about 2 years ago, knobjockey.

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 03:29 PM

Iraq was invaded about 2 years ago, knobjockey.

So? It took over a decade for Germany to get its shit together.

Merudo

25-02-2005, 03:29 PM

Iraq was invaded about 2 years ago, knobjockey.
not only that, you'd expect things to stay the same or slowly get better, not get worse.

And not have the occupying force being part of making it worse -

"Women have been subjected to sexual threats by members of the U.S.-led forces and some women detained by U.S. forces have been sexually abused, possibly raped," it added.

Amnesty said several women detained by U.S. troops had spoken in interviews with them of beatings, threats of rape, humiliating treatment and long periods of solitary confinement.

But I suppose it's all anti-US claptrap, isn't it?

JediKnight

25-02-2005, 03:29 PM

So? It took over a decade for Germany to get its shit together.
Where in my comment did I say anything about Germany?

25-02-2005, 03:33 PM

Jesus fucking Christ. You cannot go to war with a country and expect it to be fixed in a second.

You people have no fucking patience.
Nerdburger, unlike you we don't believe everything we read that we agree with and discard everything else.

What intelligent adults do it read articles and take the information out. For instance, most people probably realise it takes a while for a country to get it's shit together.

Tool.

darns

25-02-2005, 03:46 PM

Jesus fucking Christ. You cannot go to war with a country and expect it to be fixed in a second.

You people have no fucking patience.

Define "you people". This article was written by Amnesty, reported by Reuters, published by CNN. Are they the "you people" you defined?

So remind me the reason for this war.

WMDs? None were found.
Ties with Al Queda? Proven to be false with several findings within American government.
To liberate Iraqis and give them a better life? Read this article.

Perhaps you can't expect them to have a good life within just a couple years but you DON'T make things worse. There is ONLY ONE justification left (the others have been proved incorrect or lies) for going to war that Bush have right now is "to liberate Iraqis from oppression". And the first thing expected of the invading army is to ensure "oppression" cease to happen. But now it got worse? And according to this article, the oppression of the women involves the invading forces!

Btw, no part of the Bible claims Jesus fucked Christ. You must be making things out.

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 03:46 PM

For instance, most people probably realise it takes a while for a country to get it's shit together.

The poster of this thread obviously doesn't know that.

Merudo

25-02-2005, 03:49 PM

The poster of this thread is posting a news article!

jak

25-02-2005, 04:14 PM

Jesus fucking Christ. You cannot go to war with a country and expect it to be fixed in a second.

You people have no fucking patience.

No, I do not. I have fucking ZERO patience for this "Women have been subjected to sexual threats by members of the U.S.-led forces"

How do you fix that, Nodbugger?

jak

25-02-2005, 04:15 PM

Jesus fucking Christ. You cannot go to war with a country and expect it to be fixed in a second.

You people have no fucking patience.

What about 8 months? Didnt you give it 8 months?

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 04:18 PM

not only that, you'd expect things to stay the same or slowly get better, not get worse.

And not have the occupying force being part of making it worse -

But I suppose it's all anti-US claptrap, isn't it?

It is all what this organization says. They have no video, no audio, no proof.

And you automatically believe it because you think the US is evil!

Don't you think it is funny that every time you post one of these types of articles it is only around for a little bit, never hits anywhere, and people just forget it. People make claims in an attempt to lie to people.

Not a single one of these allegations have been proven to have actually happened.

Merudo

25-02-2005, 04:20 PM

And you automatically believe it because you think the US is evil!

I don't think the US is evil, I do think you are, but I'd still like to visit california or something some time. Would be nice. :)

Might steer clear of Illinois though

darns

25-02-2005, 04:21 PM

It is all what this organization says. They have no video, no audio, no proof.
Not a single one of these allegations have been proven to have actually happened.

Like those WMDs, and all other reasons to go to war.

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 04:21 PM

Define "you people". This article was written by Amnesty, reported by Reuters, published by CNN. Are they the "you people" you defined?

So remind me the reason for this war.

WMDs? None were found.
Ties with Al Queda? Proven to be false with several findings within American government.
To liberate Iraqis and give them a better life? Read this article.

Perhaps you can't expect them to have a good life within just a couple years but you DON'T make things worse. There is ONLY ONE justification left (the others have been proved incorrect or lies) for going to war that Bush have right now is "to liberate Iraqis from oppression". And the first thing expected of the invading army is to ensure "oppression" cease to happen. But now it got worse? And according to this article, the oppression of the women involves the invading forces!

Btw, no part of the Bible claims Jesus fucked Christ. You must be making things out.

Wmds- doesn't mean there were none.
Links to al-Queda - How fucking stupid are you? EVERY SINGLE REPORT THAT HAS COME OUT ABOUT ANYTHING RELATED TO IRAQ NAD 9/11 HAS SAID THAT IRAQ AND SADDAM HAD TIES TO AL-QUEDA. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING SKULL.

We did liberate them and they do have a better life. Things don't become perfect this soon.

And your little rant about things getting worse, I would like some hard evidence. not what some stupid organization that has proclaimed it self anti-war has to say.

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 04:22 PM

What about 8 months? Didnt you give it 8 months?

Things take time. 8 months isn't enough to really do much. I said Iraq would settle down. Not become a perfect example of a country.

jak

25-02-2005, 04:27 PM

Things take time. 8 months isn't enough to really do much. I said Iraq would settle down. Not become a perfect example of a country.

Do you call the sexual advances by US soldiers on the local women "settled down"?

darns

25-02-2005, 04:28 PM

Links to al-Queda - How fucking stupid are you? EVERY SINGLE REPORT THAT HAS COME OUT ABOUT ANYTHING RELATED TO IRAQ NAD 9/11 HAS SAID THAT IRAQ AND SADDAM HAD TIES TO AL-QUEDA. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING SKULL.

EVERY SINGLE REPORT ?!?! Wow.

Every
Single
Report.

Does it include the report by the 9/11 Commission?

The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

Or how about the report by the CIA?

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCoverage/story?id=144396&page=1

EVERY SINGLE REPORT huh?

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 04:28 PM

Do you call the sexual advances by US soldiers on the local women "settled down"?

Please tell me what country has no sexual advances.

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 04:30 PM

EVERY SINGLE REPORT ?!?! Wow.

Every
Single
Report.

Does it include the report by the 9/11 Commission?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

Or how about the report by the CIA?

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCoverage/story?id=144396&page=1

EVERY SINGLE REPORT huh?

Yes, if you read the fucking report you would know that many news reports that came out simple lied saying there were no links. Read the 9/11 report and the Dulfer (SP?) report. they both Say exactly what I just said.

JediKnight

25-02-2005, 04:32 PM

It is all what this organization says. They have no video, no audio, no proof.
Wow, so you do actually understand the concept of proof. You should try providing some for your arguments once in a while.

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 04:34 PM

Wow, so you do actually understand the concept of proof. You should try providing some for your arguments once in a while.

Why should I need to prove you wrong? The fact you have no proof already does that.

JediKnight

25-02-2005, 04:36 PM

EVERY SINGLE REPORT ?!?! Wow.

Every
Single
Report.

Does it include the report by the 9/11 Commission?
Come on, that thing was almost 600 pages long. Do you really think KnobJockey could handle that.

darns

25-02-2005, 04:37 PM

Yes, if you read the fucking report you would know that many news reports that came out simple lied saying there were no links. Read the 9/11 report and the Dulfer (SP?) report. they both Say exactly what I just said.

Maybe they did. CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, The New York Times, Reuters ... the list goes on.

They are simply liars. Damn useless news organizations. Why, the only news source we need is from Nodbugger. The Nodbugger Times, free unbiased source for all news regarding America. Accessible FREE via Zgeek Forums.

darns

25-02-2005, 04:39 PM

Why should I need to prove you wrong? The fact you have no proof already does that.

Everytime he says that, I smile.

If you claim something without prove it exists - You're wrong. It doesn't exists because you can't prove.

Bush claims WMD exists, he can't prove it - He is not wrong, because you can't prove it doesn't exists.

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 04:40 PM

Maybe they did. CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, The New York Times, Reuters ... the list goes on.

They are simply liars. Damn useless news organizations. Why, the only news source we need is from Nodbugger. The Nodbugger Times, free unbiased source for all news regarding America. Accessible FREE via Zgeek Forums.

The head lines would go something like this..

"This report says no links to al-Queda, Bush administration thinks differently"

Later on in the article it would state that both reports had said that top al-Queda and Baath party leaders had made and gone to several meetings inside Iraq. they said it did not appear Saddam had much to do with 9/11, but it was quite obvious that had a diplomatic relationship.

And yes, I have a copy of the 9/11 report.

Nodbugger

25-02-2005, 04:41 PM

Everytime he says that, I smile.

If you claim something without prove it exists - You're wrong. It doesn't exists because you can't prove.

Bush claims WMD exists, he can't prove it - He is not wrong, because you can't prove it doesn't exists.

That is thing, he put forward tons of evidence, and no one could dispute.

JediKnight

25-02-2005, 04:43 PM

That is thing, he put forward tons of evidence, and no one could dispute.
Care to share some of this undisputed evidence with us?

ersatz

25-02-2005, 04:48 PM

anyone for a slice of yellowcake?

jak

25-02-2005, 04:51 PM

Please tell me what country has no sexual advances.

Australia. There are no invading soldiers that are sexually threatening local Australian women.

Now, answer my question.

JediKnight

25-02-2005, 04:59 PM

anyone for a slice of yellowcake?
I like cake :)

Scythe

25-02-2005, 05:05 PM

It is all what this organization says. They have no video, no audio, no proof.

Yeah, because when soldiers rape and sexually assault women, they usually make sure to get some tape and a good soundbyte.

Idiot.

Nodbugger

26-02-2005, 12:09 AM

Care to share some of this undisputed evidence with us?

Where you not paying ANT ATTENTION in the year 2003?

Go get your own fucking evidence. They spent a couple months with presentations on a daily basis about Saddam had those things. and no one had any evidence to say they were wrong. It is exactly what you are doing now, allegations to destroy character with no evidence.

Nodbugger

26-02-2005, 12:16 AM

Australia. There are no invading soldiers that are sexually threatening local Australian women.

Now, answer my question.

Sexual advances are different than sexually threatening.

The article says US soldiers that had women in CUSTODY (meaning they did something) threatened things. Which is not a crime in this case because they are in custody. Just like when police officers slide a video tape over to someone they are holding and say "Do you know what is on this video?", and the person they have breaks down and admits everything. Now since we cannot do something like that Iraq we do what they understand. It is obvious no one has been hurt from this or else there would be some more information out there.

But you guys also jumped on something that I think it completely wrong. I says there have been these things and possible some by the US military. Now for one it says possibly. For two it says some. Now you read that and because of your extreme biased towards the US and anything related to the Military you read US military rapes and kills women. That is not the case especially if you read the rest of the article. Now the article states is that there are accusations, but everyone says that and we should take the soldiers word of the prisoners word.

As for sexual advances, it could be a simple smile or a pick up line.

Nodbugger

26-02-2005, 12:17 AM

Yeah, because when soldiers rape and sexually assault women, they usually make sure to get some tape and a good soundbyte.

Idiot.

Cannot prove it.

A doctor can tell if a woman was raped. It is not very hard for them to find this out. so a simple medical examination would show if this had happened or not. As you can see they just like reported accusation in an attempt to make people like your selves believe it as the gospel truth.

banga

26-02-2005, 12:26 AM

what made me laugh was the comment by someone with their head up their ass about how nothing has got anybetter after 2 years , WELL IF THE FUCKING LUNATICS WOULD STOP BLOWING THEMSELVES AND OTHERS UP , AND STOP GIVING HAIRCUTS FROM THE NECK UP ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE FOR DARING TO TRY TO EARN A LIVING , WELL FUCK ME .. you are a pack of fuckwits , yeah lets let these religious fuckwits take over , and watch from afar as the decimate the other lowly religious sects , how dare these americans defend themselves eh

jak

26-02-2005, 01:20 AM

Sexual advances are different than sexually threatening.

The article says US soldiers that had women in CUSTODY (meaning they did something) threatened things. Which is not a crime in this case because they are in custody. Just like when police officers slide a video tape over to someone they are holding and say "Do you know what is on this video?", and the person they have breaks down and admits everything. Now since we cannot do something like that Iraq we do what they understand. It is obvious no one has been hurt from this or else there would be some more information out there.

But you guys also jumped on something that I think it completely wrong. I says there have been these things and possible some by the US military. Now for one it says possibly. For two it says some. Now you read that and because of your extreme biased towards the US and anything related to the Military you read US military rapes and kills women. That is not the case especially if you read the rest of the article. Now the article states is that there are accusations, but everyone says that and we should take the soldiers word of the prisoners word.

As for sexual advances, it could be a simple smile or a pick up line.

Ok, I am confused, Nodbugger. You are saying it could be a simple smile or a pick up line. Fair enough it could. Highly inappropriate whether detained or not.

But the thing is it could also be worse.

"systematic repression ...had been replaced by increased murders, and sexual abuse -- including by U.S. forces.'

and

"The lawlessness and increased killings, abductions and rapes that followed the overthrow of the government of Saddam Hussein have restricted women's freedom of movement and their ability to go to school or to work," Amnesty said."

Go to school or work - so they are ralking about women NOT in custody at this point.

"Women have been subjected to sexual threats by members of the U.S.-led forces and some women detained by U.S. forces have been sexually abused, possibly raped," it added."

mmmm thats not a smile, sound a lot more serious to me. It cleary says women subject to sexual threats.... and some women detained...". This indicates that they are free (non detained) women who are being sexually threatened. A threat is NOT a smile. Then we have those who are detained who are sexually abused (again not a smile)".

So I ask AGAIN. How can you call this behaviour "settled down"? And how do you fix this? And answer me this time, please....

banga

26-02-2005, 01:26 AM

noddy noddy your not helping yourself , im with them regarding the sexual abusive behaviour, but im sticking to my guns about the fuckwits that are runing rampant

Up_All_Night

26-02-2005, 04:22 AM

A doctor can tell if a woman was raped. It is not very hard for them to find this out. so a simple medical examination would show if this had happened or not. As you can see they just like reported accusation in an attempt to make people like your selves believe it as the gospel truth.

ummm please explain?

how can they tell if the person was raped unless they were a proven virgin?
once again a display of no knowledge. My ex gilrfirneds friend was raped by several guys and there was no physical evidence, seamen or anything because they used protection.

Asmodeus

26-02-2005, 04:32 AM

ummm please explain?

how can they tell if the person was raped unless they were a proven virgin?
once again a display of no knowledge. My ex gilrfirneds friend was raped by several guys and there was no physical evidence, seamen or anything because they used protection.

http://www.nd.edu/~ucc/ucc_sexualvictimhospital.html

besides teh list it also mentions things such as pics of and cuts, lascerations, bruising, scrapes, etc that happen during these crimes.

Up_All_Night

26-02-2005, 04:55 AM

well there you go... but still that sort of examine, not that i read the thing in detail, fully... hey its late im half drunk... and dont want to really read about vaginal swabs... it wouldn necessarily prove it would it? but in all acounts these exams wouldnt be done, and deffinately not in time in iraq with current situation anyway would they??

with my ex's friend, there was apparently no proof and she was basically told, there's nothing they can do. It was at Falls Festival this last new years btw, several guys jumped her when she was drunk. Pretty shocking. 11 people apparently raped there that night.

Scumbag

01-03-2005, 11:46 PM

what made me laugh was the comment by someone with their head up their ass about how nothing has got anybetter after 2 years , WELL IF THE FUCKING LUNATICS WOULD STOP BLOWING THEMSELVES AND OTHERS UP , AND STOP GIVING HAIRCUTS FROM THE NECK UP ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE FOR DARING TO TRY TO EARN A LIVING

Earn a living ? You mean collaborating with the enemy. They deserve to be blown up if their going to co-operate with the invaders. Exactly the same thing happened to everyone who accepted jobs from the Nazi's in occupied countries during WWII.

how dare these americans defend themselves eh

Well they could always just retreat back to where they belong !

ersatz

02-03-2005, 09:51 AM

They spent a couple months with presentations on a daily basis about Saddam had those things. and no one had any evidence to say they were wrong.

Those weather balloon trucks are nasty things, aren't they?

Blink

02-03-2005, 10:45 AM

Earn a living ? You mean collaborating with the enemy. They deserve to be blown up if their going to co-operate with the invaders. Exactly the same thing happened to everyone who accepted jobs from the Nazi's in occupied countries during WWII.

Please tell me you're joking....I'd hate to think that was a serious post.

During WWII, enough Dutch men volunteered for the SS that they formed their own division, SS Nordland (not sure on the spelling). There were heaps of German officers divorcing their wives and marrying French women. Not to mention the thousands of businesses in occupied Europe that did business with the Nazis.

The difference, my friend, was that the resistance in those countries specifically attacked German military targets. There were civilian casualties, but they were accidental. After the Germans were driven out, there were some cases of informants being shot, or prostitutes having their hair shaved off, but these were isolated incidents.

If you seriously mean that any Iraqi who wants to get a job working with the new government or the american army deserves to be killed, you are lost forever to the ideological left...

Scythe

02-03-2005, 11:10 AM

The difference, my friend, was that the resistance in those countries specifically attacked German military targets. There were civilian casualties, but they were accidental. After the Germans were driven out, there were some cases of informants being shot, or prostitutes having their hair shaved off, but these were isolated incidents.

Without getting into whether phoney is right or wrong, the French Resistance did target collaborators on a regular basis, especially those actively working as part of the Vichy regime.

Scumbag

03-03-2005, 12:19 AM

Please tell me you're joking....I'd hate to think that was a serious post.

During WWII, enough Dutch men volunteered for the SS that they formed their own division, SS Nordland (not sure on the spelling). There were heaps of German officers divorcing their wives and marrying French women. Not to mention the thousands of businesses in occupied Europe that did business with the Nazis.

The difference, my friend, was that the resistance in those countries specifically attacked German military targets. There were civilian casualties, but they were accidental. After the Germans were driven out, there were some cases of informants being shot, or prostitutes having their hair shaved off, but these were isolated incidents.

If you seriously mean that any Iraqi who wants to get a job working with the new government or the american army deserves to be killed, you are lost forever to the ideological left...

Nope, actually my great grandfather was a High School Principle in the town of Mogilev, in what is now Belarus, before the German occupation. Once the Germans gained control, they appointed him as a Town Mayor as he was a respected character in town. If he hadve refused, he wouldve been shot on the spot.

So 2 years later when the red army re-captured the town, under government orders they rounded up anyone who accepted jobs from the Nazi's and sent them off to the gulags of Siberia - and were never heared from again. Ive since studied in history that this was common practice across almost all of the re-captured eastern bloc republics.

Whilst I dont beleive that this is really fair, I definately beleive that Iraqi's who train and collaborate with the invading forces of today must be charged with treason once a formal government is estalished.

The businesses that did business with the Nazi's that you mentioned of earlier I agree got off completely scott free from facing justice after re-occupation with no liability whatsoever. There are way too many examples to give right now, but for a start have a read of the book "IBM and the Holocaust" or have read into the dark history of the Bayer chemical corporation... (now making gas only to kill flies)

Or for a slightly more recent example, look at 500,000 birth defects, and countless amount of deaths in Vietnam since the 1970's from agent orange, produced by companies such as Monsanto & Hercules Inc. Neither of which have paid a single dollar towards compensation in that country alone.

Nodbugger

03-03-2005, 12:20 AM

You....are....a...fucking....idiot.

Juice Biscuit

03-03-2005, 12:29 AM

You....are....a...fucking....idiot.

I fuck your mum up the arse and she loves me for it.

And your dad should be sued for cumming up your mums cunt instead of letting you get soaked up in a tissue.

Up_All_Night

03-03-2005, 12:34 AM

I fuck your mum up the arse and she loves me for it.

And your dad should be sued for cumming up your mums cunt instead of letting you get soaked up in a tissue.

noddy has a mum and a dad? i thought he congealed in a pool of excrement
there u go, you learn something every day

SOC

03-03-2005, 12:38 AM

You....are....a...fucking....idiot.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! :stooge:

ersatz

03-03-2005, 10:05 AM

You....are....a...fucking....idiot.

did somebody say something?

ajcrowley

03-03-2005, 10:57 AM

good to see noddy is still talking out of his asshole, its nice to know the balance of all things worldly has not changed durring my vacation in fiji.

jak

03-03-2005, 12:40 PM

I am there with you.

I was away since the weekend with work - get back to see "the balance.. has not changed"

:)

...and ignores certain posts....

Blink

03-03-2005, 01:36 PM

Whilst I dont beleive that this is really fair, I definately beleive that Iraqi's who train and collaborate with the invading forces of today must be charged with treason once a formal government is estalished.

Sorry mate, but I can't agree with that. As long as they are not acting as informants for the US, I can't see anything wrong with them earning money to take care of their families etc.

Nodbugger

03-03-2005, 01:42 PM

Sorry mate, but I can't agree with that. As long as they are not acting as informants for the US, I can't see anything wrong with them earning money to take care of their families etc.

x2 , America in Iraq is nothing like Germany in France.

SuCC

03-03-2005, 02:16 PM

Sorry mate, but I can't agree with that. As long as they are not acting as informants for the US, I can't see anything wrong with them earning money to take care of their families etc.
If there was an invasion of Australia and many opportunists were working with the invading country (say Indonesia for arguments sake) while the government was being overthrown and afterward to install a new government, they should be shot, for traitors they would be. There would be no shortage of people willing to shoot them either.

Nodbugger

03-03-2005, 02:41 PM

If there was an invasion of Australia and many opportunists were working with the invading country (say Indonesia for arguments sake) while the government was being overthrown and afterward to install a new government, they should be shot, for traitors they would be. There would be no shortage of people willing to shoot them either.

It is a totally different situation. You cannot equate Australia's government and Jon Howard to Iraq's government and Saddam.

Juice Biscuit

03-03-2005, 02:45 PM

It is a totally different situation. You cannot equate Australia's government and Jon Howard to Iraq's government and Saddam.

Why not, I hear that Saddam loved a game of cricket.

jak

03-03-2005, 02:50 PM

It is a totally different situation. You cannot equate Australia's government and Jon Howard to Iraq's government and Saddam.

Why not?

And its John.

SuCC

03-03-2005, 03:06 PM

It is a totally different situation. You cannot equate Australia's government and Jon Howard to Iraq's government and Saddam.I agree with you. But technically they are traitors and deserve to be shot (from the government's and supporters point of view)

Blink

03-03-2005, 03:20 PM

If there was an invasion of Australia and many opportunists were working with the invading country (say Indonesia for arguments sake) while the government was being overthrown and afterward to install a new government, they should be shot, for traitors they would be. There would be no shortage of people willing to shoot them either.

If we get invaded it'll probably be Indonesia, so it's a good example :)

My opinion remains the same however. As long as people aren't working as informers etc, I would have no hassle with people working to support their families.

Blink

03-03-2005, 03:23 PM

I agree with you. But technically they are traitors and deserve to be shot (from the government's and supporters point of view)

Are they traitors even if the work they are doing is of value to the population in general? IE: maintaining utilities such as water, power etc.

Nodbugger

03-03-2005, 03:30 PM

Why not, I hear that Saddam loved a game of cricket.

Australia - Democracy
Iraq- Brutal military Regime

Australia - Thriving capitalistic economy
Iraq- Big piece of shit coupled with Saddam's personal bank account

Australia - Fine and tickets
Iraq- Stoning and beheading

Australia- Freedom of speech
Iraq- Freedom to say what Saddam wants you to say

Australia- A bad day is when you don't have enough money to get a large drink
Iraq- Your bad day is that your family was raped and murdered. (which is also everyday)

There is a big difference.

Juice Biscuit

03-03-2005, 03:32 PM

There is a big difference.

Another bloody yank underestimating the importance of cricket. :grr:

Nodbugger

03-03-2005, 03:37 PM

Another bloody yank underestimating the importance of cricket. :grr:

I'd like to inform you in 7th and 8th Grade Cricket was part of our Physical Education class. Since I did not take PE in high school I have not played it in a while. I thought is was boring and rather stupid. It was in no way fun and was way too easy. It is hard to understand how the matches can last for days.

Hairyman

03-03-2005, 03:40 PM

Cricket requires an attention span of more than 3 minutes, that is the problem.

Nodbugger

03-03-2005, 03:43 PM

Cricket requires an attention span of more than 3 minutes, that is the problem.

Or a lack of something better to do.

Juice Biscuit

03-03-2005, 03:46 PM

It was in no way fun and was way too easy. It is hard to understand how the matches can last for days.

Maybe if you guys could bat to save yourselves then it wouldn't be over so quick :fu:

Or a lack of something better to do.

Speacking of which why haven't you signed up to the marines and gotten yourself killed yet???

Pussy, your country needs you and your sitting around doing nothing like a sissy liberal while your country crys out for help.

Nodbugger

04-03-2005, 12:15 AM

Speacking of which why haven't you signed up to the marines and gotten yourself killed yet???

Pussy, your country needs you and your sitting around doing nothing like a sissy liberal while your country crys out for help.

That is the lamest thing anyone could ever say.

Juice Biscuit

04-03-2005, 12:20 AM

That is the lamest thing anyone could ever say.

Spoken like a true pussy liberal.

Where's your balls you pinko scum.

I didn't watch my friends die in the Nam so you could spend your days playing dolls and putting on makeup.

Nodbugger

04-03-2005, 01:08 PM

Spoken like a true pussy liberal.

Where's your balls you pinko scum.

I didn't watch my friends die in the Nam so you could spend your days playing dolls and putting on makeup.

You were born in 1981.

Juice Biscuit

04-03-2005, 01:33 PM

You were born in 1981.

That's not the point, the point is that they died and they were my friends, died cause your fucked up country asked them to, and now after supporting this war you haven't got the balls to stand up for your own convictions, leaving more of my friends having to pull the extra slack, cause your overbearing parents wont let you sign up.

Instead you are taking the pussy whiped liberal Bill Clinton way out and going off to college while your fellow countrymen bleed in a far away land so you can sit on your faggy ass and play dressups.

What are you going to say to your kids when they ask "Daddy what did you do during the great fight against terrorism"

Well you can proudly say "Son I sat at home with my finger up my ass"

Nodbugger

04-03-2005, 01:37 PM

That's not the point, the point is that they died and they were my friends, died cause your fucked up country asked them to, and now after supporting this war you haven't got the balls to stand up for your own convictions, leaving more of my friends having to pull the extra slack, cause your overbearing parents wont let you sign up.

Instead you are taking the pussy whiped liberal Bill Clinton way out and going off to college while your fellow countrymen bleed in a far away land so you can sit on your faggy ass and play dressups.

What are you going to say to your kids when they ask "Daddy what did you do during the great fight against terrorism"

Well you can proudly say "Son I sat at home with my finger up my ass"

Your post is even lamer than the last.

Juice Biscuit

04-03-2005, 01:44 PM

Your post is even lamer than the last.

I'm sure that brings warmth to the hearts off all those Marines that die on the battlefield alone, cause you wern't there.

jak

04-03-2005, 01:49 PM

Your post is even lamer than the last.

But amusing.

:)

Nodbugger, what are your plans this year? University? Work? Enlist? Other?

Its a serious question with *no* hidden agenda.

Nodbugger

04-03-2005, 01:51 PM

But amusing.

:)

Nodbugger, what are your plans this year? University? Work? Enlist? Other?

Its a serious question with *no* hidden agenda.
Hopefully an ROTC scholarship to a 4 year college.

http://www.goarmy.com/rotc/index.jsp

Enos

04-03-2005, 02:04 PM

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Pinger again.

Nodbugger

04-03-2005, 02:05 PM

I'm sure that brings warmth to the hearts off all those Marines that die on the battlefield alone, cause you wern't there.

You are a fucking retard.

You are a desperate lonely person, I suggest suicide for you.

Juice Biscuit

04-03-2005, 02:11 PM

You are a fucking retard.

You are a desperate lonely person, I suggest suicide for you.

Are you claiming that when a forum member comes into a thread and starts being an arse it drags the thread down and removes the ability to have a decent conversation :eeek:

Wow imagine if a forum member constantly did that, boy how unpopulour would he be.......

Scythe

04-03-2005, 02:55 PM

You are a fucking retard.

You are a desperate lonely person, I suggest suicide for you.

Remember that suggestion you made a while back about people not listening to you if you don't give them respect?

Directed

04-03-2005, 03:06 PM

Wow, all this flaming going on!

Well let me say this:

The Women in Afghanistan are MUCH better off than before.

The women in Iraq are now able to go out and not be raped by Saddam Hussein's sons any more (remember those two winners?).

I really don't know what Amnesty International is trying to prove. They are more worried about protecting muslim extremists than the general public.

Scythe

04-03-2005, 03:28 PM

The women in Iraq are now able to go out and not be raped by Saddam Hussein's sons any more (remember those two winners?).

Of course, now they get to be worried about being raped by U.S. soldiers, and being blown up because they were walking too close to a U.S. patrol when yet another car bomb goes off.

jak

04-03-2005, 03:32 PM

Hopefully an ROTC scholarship to a 4 year college.

http://www.goarmy.com/rotc/index.jsp

So you have applied then? What will you study?

That URL times out for me.

Nodbugger

05-03-2005, 03:22 AM

So you have applied then? What will you study?

That URL times out for me.

Depends on what college I go to.

And your Internet sucks.

Bostonmess

05-03-2005, 05:05 AM

Didn't you say you were going to be a 2nd lieutenant in just over a year?

Nodbugger

05-03-2005, 05:11 AM

Didn't you say you were going to be a 2nd lieutenant in just over a year?

No....It takes 4 years of ROTC to get a commission.

polite

05-03-2005, 05:13 AM

Didn't you say you were going to be a 2nd lieutenant in just over a year?

He might be on the road to Damascus by then

Bostonmess

05-03-2005, 05:21 AM

No....It takes 4 years of ROTC to get a commission.

I'm sure you did, in your original "bring it on" thread.

Merudo

05-03-2005, 09:06 AM

Depends on what college I go to.

And your Internet sucks.
no, the link really doesn't work, dumbass.

Nodbugger

05-03-2005, 09:07 AM

no, the link really doesn't work, dumbass.

Works fine for me, your Internet must suck.

Hairyman

05-03-2005, 09:09 AM

If Noddy is on the road to Damascus, it will have nothing to do with epiphanies.

jak

05-03-2005, 04:34 PM

Depends on what college I go to.

And your Internet sucks.

My internet sucks?

Hey everybody, the internet is mine. Now piss off and find you own damn internet!

Still no go with that URL (from a diff ISP).

jak

05-03-2005, 04:36 PM

Depends on what college I go to.

And your Internet sucks.

hang on. Are you saying your course content depends on where you study? Don't you decide what you want to study then where? Thats what I did.

Do you know what you want to study or is just whatever course you can get into?

jak

05-03-2005, 04:38 PM

Works fine for me, your Internet must suck.

Operation times out. Cant ping (but resolves OK).

Guess its cos I am an Australian. :)

Nodbugger

06-03-2005, 02:17 AM

hang on. Are you saying your course content depends on where you study? Don't you decide what you want to study then where? Thats what I did.

Do you know what you want to study or is just whatever course you can get into?

Yes it does, I have several fields I would like equally. It all depends on which college I get accepted for the scholarship and what that college has to offer.

polite

06-03-2005, 05:16 AM

Yes it does, I have several fields I would like equally. It all depends on which college I get accepted for the scholarship and what that college has to offer.

More information please. I have a relative who has a severe brain injury caused by a U.S sailor on leave. This person now lives in the states and wants to be a soldier. He read some Tom Clancy novels while the pain-killers were working and is absolutely convinced that he could become a navy S.E.A.L.
He wanted to be a dolphin but they said he wasn't smart enough. He'd seen G.I Jane which threw them initially so they mentioned West Point. What would you recommend Noddy?.

Hippy Vindalou

07-03-2005, 06:56 PM

Anyway back on topic - Lets see if an opinion from an actual Iraqi woman living in Iraq counts for anything.

Females can no longer leave their homes alone. Each time I go out, E. and either a father, uncle or cousin has to accompany me. A woman, or girl, out alone, risks anything from insults to abduction. Two males have to be procured (preferably large) and 'safety arrangements' must be made in this total state of lawlessness.
....snip....
Before the war, around 50% of the college students were females, and over 50% of the working force was composed of women. Not so anymore. We are seeing an increase of fundamentalism in Iraq which is terrifying.

For example, before the war, I would estimate (roughly) that about 55% of females in Baghdad wore a hijab- or headscarf. Hijabs do not signify fundamentalism. That is far from the case- although I, myself, don’t wear one, I have family and friends who do. The point is that, before, it didn’t really matter. It was *my* business whether I wore one or not- not the business of some fundamentalist on the street.

I am female and Muslim. Before the occupation, I more or less dressed the way I wanted to. I lived in jeans and cotton pants and comfortable shirts. Now, I don’t dare leave the house in pants. A long skirt and loose shirt (preferably with long sleeves) has become necessary. A girl wearing jeans risks being attacked, abducted or insulted by fundamentalists who have been… liberated!
Fathers and mothers are keeping their daughters stashed safe at home. Others are making their daughters, wives and sisters wear a hijab. Not to oppress them, but to protect them.

...snip....

I lost my job for a similar reason. I’ll explain the whole depressing affair in another post. Girls are being made to quit college and school. My 14-year-old cousin (a straight-A student) is going to have to repeat the year because her parents decided to keep her home ever since the occupation. Why? Because the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq overtook an office next to her school and opened up a special ‘bureau’.

Men in black turbans (M.I.B.T.s as opposed to M.I.B.s) and dubious, shady figures dressed in black, head to foot, stand around the gates of the bureau in clusters, scanning the girls and teachers entering the secondary school. The dark, frowning figures stand ogling, leering and sometimes jeering at the ones not wearing a hijab or whose skirts aren’t long enough. In some areas, girls risk being attacked with acid if their clothes aren’t ‘proper’.

A few wannabe Mullahs came out with a ‘fatwa’, or decree, in June that declared all females should wear the hijab and if they didn’t, they could be subject to ‘punishment’. Another group claiming to be a part of the ‘Hawza Al Ilmia’ decreed that not a single girl over the age of 14 could remain unmarried- even if it meant that some members of the Hawza would have to have two, three or four wives. This decree included females of other religions. In the south, female UN and Red Cross aides received death threats if they didn’t wear the hijab.
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2003_08_01_riverbendblog_archive.html

Sounds like the chicks are having a great time of it. They no longer have to worry about Saddams sick offspring, just the thousands of over zealous religious freaks that he kept crushed under his jackboot till they were liberated. Granted thats an old post but I doubt things have changed much if any.

Juice Biscuit

07-03-2005, 07:05 PM

Nodbugger

08-03-2005, 03:05 AM

Anyway back on topic - Lets see if an opinion from an actual Iraqi woman living in Iraq counts for anything.

Sounds like the chicks are having a great time of it. They no longer have to worry about Saddams sick offspring, just the thousands of over zealous religious freaks that he kept crushed under his jackboot till they were liberated. Granted thats an old post but I doubt things have changed much if any.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF IRAQIS FUCKING UP. THE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS ARE IN THE EXTREME MINORITY. AND ONCE THEY STOP BLOWING SHIT UP THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO OTHER THINGS. THIS LADY IS A COMPLETE BITCH BECAUSE SHE HAS NO PATIENCE.

IT ALSO GOES TO SHOW YOU WHAT SADDAM DID. THE IRAQI PEOPLE BACK DOWN TO EASILY. WHICH IS WHY WE HAD TO GET RID OF SADDAM BECAUSE THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE.

Bostonmess

08-03-2005, 04:13 AM

THE PEOPLE WHO INVADED IRAQ ARE ALSO A MINORITY.

jak

08-03-2005, 11:04 AM

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF IRAQIS FUCKING UP. THE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS ARE IN THE EXTREME MINORITY. AND ONCE THEY STOP BLOWING SHIT UP THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO OTHER THINGS. THIS LADY IS A COMPLETE BITCH BECAUSE SHE HAS NO PATIENCE.

IT ALSO GOES TO SHOW YOU WHAT SADDAM DID. THE IRAQI PEOPLE BACK DOWN TO EASILY. WHICH IS WHY WE HAD TO GET RID OF SADDAM BECAUSE THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE.

She is a "COMPLETE BITCH" for simply giving an account of how things are in her own life? Her life has changed *drastically* and she is telling her story.

Yes, its terrible what the "EXTREME MINORITY" are doing, but it * is* happening, and I am glad she told her story. She has every right to have "NO PATIENCE".

Caps Lock OFF please.

Nodbugger

08-03-2005, 11:21 AM

She is a "COMPLETE BITCH" for simply giving an account of how things are in her own life? Her life has changed *drastically* and she is telling her story.

Yes, its terrible what the "EXTREME MINORITY" are doing, but it * is* happening, and I am glad she told her story. She has every right to have "NO PATIENCE".

Caps Lock OFF please.

She blames America for problems she can fix, but doesn't.

Scythe

08-03-2005, 11:26 AM

She blames America for problems she can fix, but doesn't.

I'd love to hear your suggestions about how she could fix it.

Especially since it was the Americans who were claiming to be bringing freedom and democracy in the first place. She shouldn't have fix the problems.

Nodbugger

08-03-2005, 11:50 AM

I'd love to hear your suggestions about how she could fix it.

Especially since it was the Americans who were claiming to be bringing freedom and democracy in the first place. She shouldn't have fix the problems.

It is a fucking domestic problem, are you seriously saying that America should be in charge of their law enforcement?

You are simply a fucking retard. It is their problem now. We gave them freedom, let them use it.

Up_All_Night

08-03-2005, 01:35 PM

Noddy are you there, no. Is she, yes.

Who would have a better idea of whats going on there?

i actually do more than half expect you to say you do, because you're such a dick.

Hippy Vindalou

08-03-2005, 06:10 PM

A minority? Perhaps. A minority with a lot of influence? Yes.
The Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI- but I prefer ‘SCAREY’) was established in 1982 in Tehran. Its main goal is to import the concept of the “Islamic Revolution” from Iran to Iraq. In other words, they believe that Iraq should be a theocracy led by Shi’a Mullahs. Abdul Aziz Al-Hakim, the deputy leader of SCIRI, is a part of the nine-member rotating presidency and will soon have a go at ruling Iraq.....

Al-Hakim was responsible for torturing and executing Iraqi POWs in Iran all through the Iran-Iraq war and after. Should SCIRI govern Iraq, I imagine the first step would be to open the borders with Iran and unite the two countries.
Ever since entering Iraq, Al-Hakim has been blackmailing the CPA in Baghdad with his ‘major Shi’a following’. He entered Iraq escorted by ‘Jaysh Badir’ or ‘Badir’s Army’. This ‘army’ is composed of thousands of Iraqi extremists led by Iranian extremists and trained in Iran. All through the war, they were lurking on the border, waiting for a chance to slip inside. In Baghdad, and the south, they have been a source of terror and anxiety to Sunnis, Shi’a and Christians alike. They, and some of their followers, were responsible for a large portion of the looting and the burning (you’d think they were going to get reconstruction contracts…). They were also responsible for hundreds of religious and political abductions and assassinations....

Don’t blame it on Islam. Every religion has its extremists. In times of chaos and disorder, those extremists flourish. Iraq is full of moderate Muslims who simply believe in ‘live and let live’. We get along with each other- Sunnis and Shi’a, Muslims and Christians and Jews and Sabi’a. We intermarry, we mix and mingle, we live. We build our churches and mosques in the same areas, our children go to the same schools… it was never an issue.
Someone asked me if, through elections, the Iraqi people might vote for an Islamic state. Six months ago, I would have firmly said, “No.” Now, I’m not so sure. There’s been an overwhelming return to fundamentalism. People are turning to religion for several reasons.
The first and most prominent reason is fear. Fear of war, fear of death and fear of a fate worse than death
Encroaching western values and beliefs have also played a prominent role in pushing Iraqis to embrace Islam. Just as there are ignorant people in the Western world (and there are plenty- I have the emails to prove it… don’t make me embarrass you), there are ignorant people in the Middle East. In Muslims and Arabs, Westerners see suicide bombers, terrorists, ignorance and camels. In Americans, Brits, etc. some Iraqis see depravity, prostitution, ignorance, domination, junkies and ruthlessness. The best way people can find to protect themselves, and their loved ones, against this assumed threat is religion.
Finally, you have more direct reasons. 65% of all Iraqis are currently unemployed for one reason or another. There are people who have families to feed. When I say ‘families’ I don’t mean a wife and 2 kids… I mean around 16 or 17 people. Islamic parties supported by Iran, like Al-Daawa and SCIRI, are currently recruiting followers by offering ‘wages’ to jobless men (an ex-soldier in the army, for example) in trade of ‘support’. This support could mean anything- vote when the elections come around, bomb a specific shop, ‘confiscate’, abduct, hijack cars (only if you work for Al-Chalabi…).

Saddam was keeping the religious extremists under control, America removed that buffer and now minority or not the zealots can do as they please. Including it would seem, intimidating or bribing the rest of the population into giving them control of the country. So yeah its the Iraqis problem but America brought it on so, yes they should bloody well fix it.

We gave them freedom, let them use it.
You obviously missed every point in the post so I will explain it simply. She has less freedom now than before you went over to save her. And if the fundies you liberated get their way she will have even less freedom. How could you not understand that from everything she said?

And she's a bitch because she keeps a diary of her experiences? Grow up.
She's been through more than you ever will, and knows a damn sight more about the situation over there than you ever will either.

And turn that goddamn capslock off and leave it off.

evil

08-03-2005, 06:26 PM

I did not take PE in high school

women's problems ?

evil

08-03-2005, 06:31 PM

My internet sucks?

Hey everybody, the internet is mine. Now piss off and find you own damn internet!

Still no go with that URL (from a diff ISP).

I bet the goarmy.com website is blocking traffic from IP addresses outside of the US as a security measure. How free is that noddy ?? You wouldn't want the baddies finding out the morons that your military is forced to hire because everyone else was too smart and went on to high skool

Blink

08-03-2005, 06:47 PM

Saddam was keeping the religious extremists under control, America removed that buffer and now minority or not the zealots can do as they please. Including it would seem, intimidating or bribing the rest of the population into giving them control of the country. So yeah its the Iraqis problem but America brought it on so, yes they should bloody well fix it.

That, more than anything else I have read on the Iraq conflict (sorry Noddy, liberation) gives an insight into what life is like for the average Iraqi citizen. Instead of liberating them, we've started what (in my estimation) will be about 20 to 50 years of shit. Whatever government is put in place (assuming it's not a theocracy) will have to rein these extremists in by force.

Of course the extremists will participate in elections, but if they don't win they'll just go back to shooting and kidnapping people...

jak

08-03-2005, 07:21 PM

I bet the goarmy.com website is blocking traffic from IP addresses outside of the US as a security measure. How free is that noddy ?? You wouldn't want the baddies finding out the morons that your military is forced to hire because everyone else was too smart and went on to high skool

Noddy, print the goarmy page to a pdf and post that. cheers.

StudMuffin

09-03-2005, 03:10 AM

If Noddy is on the road to Damascus, it will have nothing to do with epiphanies.
I have a feeling the US army's road to Damascus could begin very shortly; Resolution 1559 pretty much gives them enough of a go ahead as they need to invade syria to 'free lebanon'.

darns

09-03-2005, 12:01 PM

I can access the goarmy.com website, so I guess only Australia is blocked. Bad australians!

Anyway, from the site:

When you graduate from college as an Army ROTC Cadet, you will earn the rank of Second Lieutenant. Your career as an Officer will be just beginning, and you'll find a variety of interesting Officer career fields in the Army.

Dental Corps Officer
An Army Dental Corps Officer is responsible for the dental health of Soldiers and their families. They are also responsible for providing health care to Soldiers - families and others eligible to receive this care in the military community. During combat, the Dental Corps Officer assists in the emergency medical management of casualties; identifies casualties through dental records and makes sure Soldiers are combat ready when it comes to their health.

Finance Officer
The Army's Finance Corps is responsible for sustaining operations through purchasing and acquiring supplies and services. Officers in the Finance Corps make sure commercial vendors are paid, contractual payments are met, balancing and projecting budgets, paying Soldiers for their service and other financial matters associated with keeping the Army running.

JAG Corps Attorney
As an Officer in the JAG Corps and a practicing attorney or judge, your responsibilities will cover a wide-range of practices that includes military law and criminal prosecution to international law and legal assistance - both in the U.S. and abroad. Officers are leaders, and being a leader in the Army requires certain qualities such as self-discipline, initiative, confidence and intelligence.

Medical Corps Officer
An Army Medical Corps Officer is responsible for the overall health of Soldiers and their families. From allergists to oncologists to surgeons, Medical Corps Officers are also responsible for providing health care to Soldiers' families and others eligible to receive this care in the military community. During combat, the Medical Corps Officer oversees the emergency medical management of casualties and makes sure Soldiers are combat ready when it comes to their overall health.

Medical Service Corps Officer
Medical Service Corps Officers are essential in treating and helping the overall health of Soldiers and their families. They are also responsible for much of the medical research that takes place in the Army. From medical fields such as optometry and podiatry to laboratory sciences to behavioral sciences, the Army Medical Service Corps includes many areas of specialty.

Medical Specialist Corps Officer
Medical Specialist Corps Officers are essential in treating and helping the overall health of Soldiers and their families. From medical fields such as occupational therapy and physical therapy to dietician and physician assistant, the Army Medical Specialist Corps includes several areas of specialty. Overall, Army Officers are leaders, and being a leader requires certain qualities such as self-discipline, initiative, confidence and intelligence.

Nurse Corps Officer
Army Nurse Corps Officers lead nursing teams in caring for Soldiers and their families. They are responsible for all aspects of a patient's care and see that they are addressed, and initiate the coordination of a patient's multidisciplinary care. Officers are leaders, and being a leader in the Army requires certain qualities such as self-discipline, initiative, confidence and intelligence.

Ordnance Officer
Ordnance Officers are responsible for ensuring that weapons systems, vehicles, and equipment are ready and available - and in perfect working order - at all times. Thus, Ordnance Officers and they Soldiers they lead are a critical component in the Army's success. Ordnance Officers also oversee the developing, testing, fielding, handling, storage and disposal of munitions.

Quartermaster Officer
Quartermaster Officers are responsible for making sure equipment, materials and systems are available and functioning for missions. More specifically, the Quartermaster Officer provides supply support for Soldiers and units in field services, aerial delivery and material and distribution management. Officers are leaders, and being a leader in the Army requires certain qualities such as self-discipline, initiative, confidence and intelligence.

Transportation Officer
Transportation Officers are experts in the systems, vehicles and procedures in moving troops and supplies in the Army. Transportation Officers are responsible for commanding and controlling Transportation operations and combined armed forces during land combat. Officers are leaders, and being a leader in the Army requires certain qualities such as self-discipline, initiative, confidence and intelligence.

Veterinary Corps Officer
Army Veterinarian Officers practice in three primary areas: animal medicine, veterinary public health and research and development. Veterinarian Officers are responsible for treating government-owned animals and the valued pets of service members and their families. Army Veterinary Corps Officers are also responsible for programs ensuring the safety and security of Department of Defense food supplies, both in the United States of America and abroad.

Seems very boring, but SAFE career in the Army for me.