Dog Shooting in Iraq for "Fun"

[DOGG]

Fucking :fag:s

"Hi my name is M. D. formaly of A TRP 1-10 CAV 4ID and while in Iraq we had a sport of killing dogs whenever the Iraqis werent shooting us. So when I shot this one at about 50 yards with my M4 and it ran yelping to lower ground, we had to finish it so my friends and I went to it and started shooting it. I ve never seen a dog take as many shots to the head at least 4 as this one did and then after we thought it was dead we dug a hole and when I picked it up with the shovel it came back to life, so we shot it a couple more times....its pretty funny."

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/march/ogrish-dot-com-dog_shooting_in_iraq.wmv

Luckily ogrish is doing something about it:

NOTE: Ogrish.com opposes behavior such as that below. We have provided animal organisation PETA details regarding the sender of this submission.

[BtrFly]

this is some sick stuff....

[Up_All_Night]

they've gone too far this time

and who says the army doesnt attrack dickheads

i must say, my brothers friend joined defence force hear and he apparently shot wild dogs for fun with his army buds at some camp

i think alot of people who do join armed forces, have little prospects, in lower ranks anyways, not the nuclearscientists like the bugger family, but the grunts or whatever. People who can act out their agression and so forth with violence in a condoned way.

[Nodbugger]

You guys have no clue about the dog situation in Iraq.

They are like Rats. They are not domesticated dogs either, they are wild dogs that have diseases and they attack people. Iraqis have been trying to get rid of them for the past 70 years. Now Americans have been having to deal with them getting into their camps.

Around my dad's camp they had less than lethal claymores set up. Every other day wild dogs would set a few of them off.

[SOC]

Iraqis have been trying to get rid of them for the past 70 years.
I was told that the Iraqis cook them and eat them. They taste like chicken. So I'm told.

[Thyraeus]

You guys have no clue about the dog situation in Iraq.

Yes....Nodbugger (or his dad) apparently is a world expert of the 'Dog Situation in Iraq'

They are like Rats.

Physically? Are you sure they are not actually rats....or did your dad tell you that?


Around my dad's camp ....

Is that the one in his backyard....where you and Daddy play 'war'?

My Dad says that your dad is Gay.

[polite]

Around my dad's camp they had less than lethal claymores set up. Every other day wild dogs would set a few of them off.

We used to do the same thing at Uluru. The 'less than lethal' claymores only mutilated the feral beasts, enabling us to kill them at our leisure.

[Juice Biscuit]

I was told that the Iraqis cook them and eat them. They taste like chicken. So I'm told.



I heard that Noddy's dad took one home with him and married it.









http://forum.rscnet.org/images/smilies/bananallama.gif

[SOC]

I heard that Noddy's dad took one home with him and married it.
So wouldn't that make Nodbugger a son of a bitch?

[lostreality]

i heard that nodbugger and his bum boy dad 'spit roast' these wild doggy's. They like to play war on its bum bum.

[Juice Biscuit]

So wouldn't that make Nodbugger a son of a bitch?





Not only that but his dad like all MPs, fucks dogs.



http://www.diegotorres.com.ar/mensajeitor/foro/caritas/cid12.gif

[Directed]

Oh yes, NOW THEY KILL DOGS the bastards! NOW they have gone too far. People killing and torture are ok, but kill a dog and you GO TOO FAR!

[Canalien]

Honestly, you guys have no clue about the Republican situation in the US.

They are like Rats. They are not domesticated either, they are wild animals that have diseases and they attack people. Americans have been trying to get rid of them for the past 70 years. Now people have been having to deal with them getting into their houses.

Around my dad's housethey had less than lethal claymores set up. Every other day wild Republicans would set a few of them off.

[Directed]

Honestly, you guys have no clue about the Republican situation in the US.

They are like Rats. They are not domesticated either, they are wild animals that have diseases and they attack people. Americans have been trying to get rid of them for the past 70 years. Now people have been having to deal with them getting into their houses.

Around my dad's housethey had less than lethal claymores set up. Every other day wild Republicans would set a few of them off.

OK, Canalien has almost killed me by forcing milk out my nose and fits of laughter to nearly give me a heart attack.

[SOC]

Is it possible to cook and eat Republicans? What do they taste like, and what wine goes best with them?

[lostreality]

Is it possible to cook and eat Republicans? What do they taste like, and what wine goes best with them?

they taste like pork, and a dry chilled white wine would go best.

[druckfugged]

Is it possible to cook and eat Republicans? What do they taste like, and what wine goes best with them?

Chicken, SOC...or so i'm told...

and what wine? Chianti; always chianti...

fft fft fft fft fft fft fft

[Juice Biscuit]

Is it possible to cook and eat Republicans? What do they taste like, and what wine goes best with them?



Chicken


Also a French wine would be best.



It would go well with their girly to scared to fight attitudes they have.

[Canalien]

yeah I'd say a nice Bordeaux. That's Bordeaux, FRANCE.
I'd also recommend following it with a nice cigar from Havana. That's Havana, CUBA.

The more you can stick to the Republicans while you eat them, the better they taste.

[Thyraeus]

Hey less political bullshit.....and more talking about how Noddys mum won "Best in Show" but then had to be shot by the Army cause she didn't understand the 'dog situation in Iraq' (how hard can it be to understand?....there are dogs.....some of them are stray)....and then on a sleepover with his Dad, Noddy accidentally had a Unauthorised Discharge (thats a U.D for you Noddy) in his sleeping bag......

[Thyraeus]

"...and this one time...at army reserves camp....."

[Directed]

Who Let The Dogs Out!!!
Who Who
Who Who Who

[Thyraeus]

The following is a quote from Noddy:



You guys have no clue about the child situation in Iraq.

They are like Rats. They are not clean-happy children (like us Americans) either, they are wild children that have diseases and they smell. Iraqis have been trying to get rid of them for the past 70 years. Now Americans have been having to deal with them getting into their camps...trying to steal our food and water....and pr0n.

At my dad's camp they had less than lethal gay sex. Every other day wild children would set a few of them off.

[johny_roberts]

Is it possible to cook and eat Republicans? What do they taste like, and what wine goes best with them?

Only problem with cooking them is it's nearly impossible to get the stench out of the house nearly impossible........

[Up_All_Night]

with Noddys Mums being Nuclear Scientist, maybe she is the evidence between iraq and them trying to get nukes? This is how noddy knows sadam was working on them, they had his top dog on it.

[Hippy Vindalou]

I would have thought republican meat would be to tough for eating, them being so tense all the time. That and the huge amounts of bile they constantly produce for spitting at unwary passersby would make the flesh taste like shit.

And fine cull the dogs if they have to, but do it quickly and humanely. These wankers took at least 5 bullets to kill a dog and still couldnt do it right from thier account.
That doesnt say much for their "leet killing skillz". Are they the fucking army or the girl guides?

[darns]

Washington - Two weeks into the massive campaign to get rid of stray dogs in Iraq, the US Army reported that the situation is now under control and the Iraqi people are now safe from the scourge. President Bush looked at it, and it was all good. Next, He ordered that all rats in Iraqi, reported to look like the dogs and vice versa, to be eliminated. Yesterday, He authorized the use of tactical nuclear weapons to kill rats and their dens deep inside the sewers of major cities in Iraq. The "bunker busters" are able to penetrate deep into the catacomb like sewers and kill a fuckton of rats. Those not dead instantly will suffer from the radiation aftermath.

Quoting a high level nuclear official with the White House, nuclear weapons are fast, clean and efficient tool to ensure improved sanitation in Iraq. Refering to her husband, currently an MP in Iraq, she said that with improved living conditions in Iraq, extremists are less likely to fight, generating peace.. as well as economy via the massive influx of tasty radioactive rat and dog meat.

AP

[Snowball]

You guys have no clue about the dog situation in Iraq.

They are like Rats. They are not domesticated dogs either, they are wild dogs that have diseases and they attack people. Iraqis have been trying to get rid of them for the past 70 years. Now Americans have been having to deal with them getting into their camps.

Around my dad's camp they had less than lethal claymores set up. Every other day wild dogs would set a few of them off.


Did your dad whisper that in your ear while he was fucking you up the arse?

Tell him to tell you about the buggery situation in the US Army in Iraq.

[dilligaf]

You guys have no clue about the dog situation in Iraq.

They are like Rats. They are not domesticated dogs either, they are wild dogs that have diseases and they attack people. Iraqis have been trying to get rid of them for the past 70 years. Now Americans have been having to deal with them getting into their camps.

Around my dad's camp they had less than lethal claymores set up. Every other day wild dogs would set a few of them off.
Well noddy, guess what! My dad, invented the wheel!!!!!!

BEAT THAT!!!

[Nodbugger]

I remember not too long ago when you stupid fucking Australians were killing Rabbits with dynamite.

[Nodbugger]

Washington - Two weeks into the massive campaign to get rid of stray dogs in Iraq, the US Army reported that the situation is now under control and the Iraqi people are now safe from the scourge. President Bush looked at it, and it was all good. Next, He ordered that all rats in Iraqi, reported to look like the dogs and vice versa, to be eliminated. Yesterday, He authorized the use of tactical nuclear weapons to kill rats and their dens deep inside the sewers of major cities in Iraq. The "bunker busters" are able to penetrate deep into the catacomb like sewers and kill a fuckton of rats. Those not dead instantly will suffer from the radiation aftermath.

Quoting a high level nuclear official with the White House, nuclear weapons are fast, clean and efficient tool to ensure improved sanitation in Iraq. Refering to her husband, currently an MP in Iraq, she said that with improved living conditions in Iraq, extremists are less likely to fight, generating peace.. as well as economy via the massive influx of tasty radioactive rat and dog meat.

AP

You probably eat dog in Malaysia.

[Juice Biscuit]

I remember not too long ago when you stupid fucking Australians were killing Rabbits with dynamite.



The only good idea that the US came up with, was when they decieded to shoot at each other during the civil war.

[Snowball]

nodbugger i can not derep you anymore but it still makes me laugh that bugger is in your name.

go give yourself some buggery

[Thyraeus]

I remember not too long ago when you stupid fucking Australians were killing Rabbits with dynamite.

You guys have no clue about the rabbit situation in Australia.

They are like Rabbits. They are not domesticated rabbits either, they are wild rabbits that have diseases and they attack people. Australians have been trying to get rid of them for the past 200 years. Now Americans have been having sex with rabbits.

Around your dad's ass they had a cue set up. Every other day wild rabbits would have a go.

[SOC]

I remember not too long ago when you clever Australians were killing Rabbits with dynamite.
We sure did, and a brilliant idea it was, too. Shooting the little buggers isn't always easy, cos they can run pretty fast, but dropping a stick of dynamite down a burrow could take out 50-100 of them in one hit. We also fish using dynamite - have you ever seen Crocodile Dundee II? :D

[Up_All_Night]

You probably eat dog in Malaysia.

and you claim to not be racist

[gunsella]

You guys have no clue about the rabbit situation in Australia.

They are like Rabbits. They are not domesticated rabbits either, they are wild rabbits that have diseases and they attack people. Australians have been trying to get rid of them for the past 200 years. Now Americans have been having sex with rabbits.

Around your dad's ass they had a cue set up. Every other day wild rabbits would have a go.

LOLOL. spread rep etc....
:greenman:

[Nodbugger]

and you claim to not be racist


I'm sorry, Koreans eat dogs, not like there really is much of a difference. Hell the French eat Horses.

[Scumbag]

You have no clue about the horse situation in France. They are like rats.....



Nah seriously, Horse meat is delicious! Well ive only had it in Salami, but that was tasty as..

[Canalien]

I'm sorry, Koreans eat dogs, not like there really is much of a difference. Hell the French eat Horses.

Yeah, so do you. Every time you have a hot dog. Get over it.

[amj]

I'm sorry, Koreans eat dogs, not like there really is much of a difference. Hell the French eat Horses.

how is that any worse than eating cow or pig etc?

[Nodbugger]

how is that any worse than eating cow or pig etc?


Because cows and pigs are stupid and you don't normally have have them as pets.

[johny_roberts]

Because cows and pigs are stupid and you don't normally have have them as pets.

With that theory you are now edible. Better watch out.

[-=[BB]=-]

Because cows and pigs are stupid and you don't normally have have them as pets.

So what, if I have a smart cow or pig as a pet it would suddenly become wrong to have a BBQ?!

Ok so by your logic, if its stupid and you dont normally have it as a pet its ok to kill it?

Well lets shoot us some more stupid Americans then! :banana: :fu:

[Enos]

Because cows and pigs are stupid and you don't normally have have them as pets.

Pigs are actually remarkably smart, at least as smart, if not more so, than a dog.

[Nodbugger]

Pigs are actually remarkably smart, at least as smart, if not more so, than a dog.

That doesn't really show.

[Enos]

That doesn't really show.

Contrary to another popular perception, pigs are not stupid. In fact, they are very smart. Their intelligence was in the headlines when a young pig named Priscilla saved a Texas boy's life. The 11-year-old boy, Anthony, went swimming in Lake Somerville of Texas one hot summer day in 1984. He ventured too far into the water and started to drown. Priscilla -- the family's pet pig -- noticed the boy struggling and immediately began swimming toward Anthony. When she reached Anthony, he was in such a panic. He grabbed for Priscilla's leash so hard that both of them went under. Although Anthony weighed nearly four times more than Priscilla, Priscilla managed to get to the surface and pull Anthony toward the shore. Even years after the incident, Priscilla still got upset whenever she saw young children playing near the water! link (http://www.edhelper.com/AnimalReadingComprehension_109_1.html)

Dealing with an animal with the intelligence level of a pig, is more like dealing with a human... link (http://www.upprs.com/training/training.htm)

[Nodbugger]

link (http://www.edhelper.com/AnimalReadingComprehension_109_1.html)

link (http://www.upprs.com/training/training.htm)


Notice the pig was their pet, meaning it was around them a lot. So it is smarter than your average pig. Besides, way more stories about dogs saving people.

And dealing with a pig is not like dealing with a Human, that should be obvious.

[Enos]

Regardless, your argument was that dogs are smart so shouldn't be eaten. Pigs are smart too.

[Nodbugger]

Regardless, your argument was that dogs are smart so shouldn't be eaten. Pigs are smart too.


Not smart enough to not get Eaten.

[haiironezumi]

Have you ever considered that more dogs save people, because there are more dogs kept as domesctic pets? Besides, when was the last time you heard of a pig being put down because it attacked its owner?

Enos has shown you that pigs have the capacity for intelligence, just the same as dogs do.

[Nodbugger]

Have you ever considered that more dogs save people, because there are more dogs kept as domesctic pets? Besides, when was the last time you heard of a pig being put down because it attacked its owner?

Enos has shown you that pigs have the capacity for intelligence, just the same as dogs do.

Teach a pig to sit, heal, fetch, and sniff for drugs then get back to me.

[Juice Biscuit]

Teach a pig to sit, heal, fetch, and sniff for drugs then get back to me.






How much bacon can a dog make?



Yeah see pigs ownz dogs.

[Scumbag]

Hindu's regard cows as sacred and keep them as pets, they dont eat beef, and frown upon people who do.

Exactly the same situation with westerners attitude to Koreans who eat dogs.

Its called culture shock. Get used to it.

[Hairyman]

The only culture Noddy has been exposed to was in his yoghurt.

[Snowball]

That doesn't really show.


It doesn't have to show you moron studies have proven it as fact.

[Nodbugger]

It doesn't have to show you moron studies have proven it as fact.


So even if it almost never happens it is still fact?
Studies have never proven nothing. Pigs are rather stupid.

[Juice Biscuit]

Studies have never proven nothing.




You're right, they have proven everything.

[darns]

The arguement is leading towards:

"Are pigs smarter than Nodbugger?"

And the answer seems to be "YES" at this point.

[johny_roberts]

Hindu's regard cows as sacred and keep them as pets, they dont eat beef, and frown upon people who do.

Exactly the same situation with westerners attitude to Koreans who eat dogs.

Its called culture shock. Get used to it.

I'll tell you culture shock walk into a gay bar thinking its a straight bar now thats some culture shock

[johny_roberts]

So even if it almost never happens it is still fact?
Studies have never proven nothing. Pigs are rather stupid.

What about Wilbur

[JediKnight]

Teach a pig to sit, heal, fetch, and sniff for drugs then get back to me.
I know I'll never manage to get any sense through your thick head, but at least others may be interested in this:

http://www.beacon-liberty.com/harley.htm

Pigs certainly can be tought to sniff for drugs, and supposedly may well be better than dogs at it because they have more sensitive smell receptors.

Although it's certainly no wonder dogs interact better with humans than other animals, we've done a good job in domesticating them over many thousands of years:

http://www.exn.ca/dogs/ancientorigins.cfm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2498669.stm
http://www.amonline.net.au/archive.cfm?id=716

[Nodbugger]

You're right, they have proven everything.


I edited it and forgot to take out never.

[johny_roberts]

what about babe he was a famous pig

[sneagelman]

what about babe he was a famous pig
My neighbor has had a pet pig for years... .and I'm not telling you ()*&%)(* where he lives!

[johny_roberts]

My neighbor has had a pet pig for years... .and I'm not telling you ()*&%)(* where he lives!

can he talk

[Up_All_Night]

Notice the pig was their pet, meaning it was around them a lot. So it is smarter than your average pig. Besides, way more stories about dogs saving people.

And dealing with a pig is not like dealing with a Human, that should be obvious.

how is is smarter just because its around people? you're keep as a pet by your parents, you aint smarter.
seriously dude, pigs arent dumb its a fact, they arent domesticated.
If you release a puppy into the wild, when it grows up is its intelligence less? No. Intelligence isnt gauged by what commands an animal can respond to. Notice how IQ tests arent general knowledge tests of what you can remember.

So even if it almost never happens it is still fact?
Studies have never proven nothing. Pigs are rather stupid.
what studies have proven nothing? you are basing that statement on nothing.
generally if something happens, it can be considered a fact relating to that case. Large meteors hardly hit the earth, but its a fact they do.
If america has a major war every 20 years, thats still not overly often, but that doesnt make it not fact they get involved in wars.




to further to dicussion on animals that are more intelligent that noddy i present to you all this link

Guide Horses (http://www.guidehorse.org/)

[Nodbugger]

how is is smarter just because its around people? you're keep as a pet by your parents, you aint smarter.
seriously dude, pigs arent dumb its a fact, they arent domesticated.
If you release a puppy into the wild, when it grows up is its intelligence less? No. Intelligence isnt gauged by what commands an animal can respond to. Notice how IQ tests arent general knowledge tests of what you can remember.


what studies have proven nothing? you are basing that statement on nothing.
generally if something happens, it can be considered a fact relating to that case. Large meteors hardly hit the earth, but its a fact they do.
If america has a major war every 20 years, thats still not overly often, but that doesnt make it not fact they get involved in wars.




to further to dicussion on animals that are more intelligent that noddy i present to you all this link

Guide Horses (http://www.guidehorse.org/)

Pigs ARE domesticated.

And they are not smart. No animal is "Smart" , they can be advanced, but to say pigs are smart is just wrong.

Dogs just should not be eaten, the same with horses. Pigs and Cows are bread to be eaten. That is their sole purpose.

[johny_roberts]

This also helps explain Nordy and its an essay.

http://www.wemadeoutinatreeandthisoldguysatandwatchedus.c om/view.php?id=104

[Up_All_Night]

that purpose was assigned by man. and assignment only by certain cultures. Some cultures done eat animals with cloven hoof, some cultures, dont eat beef. Some cultures eat dog, horse, and all sorts of animals we wouldnt eat.

so i think its wrong for you to make a judgement on what purpose animals have to exist, when many others around the world disagree.
While i dont thing dog should be eaten, i think there's more to animals such as pigs and cows exisiting than to just be food. I respect their right to be a pig, a cow, or whatever.

[Merudo]

can he talk
the pig, or the neighbour?

[Enos]

Homer - "So you're not going to eat Ham? Bacon? Pork chops?"
Lisa - "Dad, thay all come from the same animal"
Homer - "Sure Lisa. Some wonderful, magical animal"

[Nodbugger]

that purpose was assigned by man. and assignment only by certain cultures. Some cultures done eat animals with cloven hoof, some cultures, dont eat beef. Some cultures eat dog, horse, and all sorts of animals we wouldnt eat.

so i think its wrong for you to make a judgement on what purpose animals have to exist, when many others around the world disagree.
While i dont thing dog should be eaten, i think there's more to animals such as pigs and cows exisiting than to just be food. I respect their right to be a pig, a cow, or whatever.


Please show me how these animals could live in the wild, cows, pigs ,and Chickens are not capable of doing that anymore. The only reason they continue to exist is because we like how they taste.

[Snowball]

Please show me how these animals could live in the wild, cows, pigs ,and Chickens are not capable of doing that anymore. The only reason they continue to exist is because we like how they taste.

You seriously are mentally challenged aren't you??

Now watch the blackboard...

Cows eat grass. Grass grows in the wild...... get it.
Pigs eat anything.... that grows in the wild too.
Chickens can eat seed, hey guess what you can find that in most places too.

[Up_All_Night]

Wild Boar for one

cows live in india and they dont eat cows, there are many forms of wild cattle living in different parts of the world aswell.

to further, chickens can live in the wild aswell. On the island of Kauai, there are chickens living in the wld everywhere.



but from your logic, or lack of it, you saying dogs can only live as pets? then how come there were wild dogs needing to be shot by soilders in iraq, if they werent pets, how could they live!
you're a douche noddy

[Juice Biscuit]

Please show me how these animals could live in the wild, cows, pigs ,and Chickens are not capable of doing that anymore. The only reason they continue to exist is because we like how they taste.



HAhahahaha you're wrong again you daft cunt.http://ganjataz.com/01smileys/images/smileys/saddunce.gif


Pigs can live off just about anything, hence why Australia has many wild ones today.


By the looks of it there are quite a few in Florida as well
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~bamster/rave5.html


Hahahahahhah you dumb fuck http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/209136.gif

[Nodbugger]

Wild Boar for one

cows live in india and they dont eat cows, there are many forms of wild cattle living in different parts of the world aswell.

to further, chickens can live in the wild aswell. On the island of Kauai, there are chickens living in the wld everywhere.



but from your logic, or lack of it, you saying dogs can only live as pets? then how come there were wild dogs needing to be shot by soilders in iraq, if they werent pets, how could they live!
you're a douche noddy


Those are different species you retard, we cannot just free the Animals on farms and expect them to work in the wild.

[Nodbugger]

You seriously are mentally challenged aren't you??

Now watch the blackboard...

Cows eat grass. Grass grows in the wild...... get it.
Pigs eat anything.... that grows in the wild too.
Chickens can eat seed, hey guess what you can find that in most places too.


You are from the smartest species on Earth and you wouldn't be able to last more than a couple weeks.

You cannot take domesticated Animals, stick them in the wild and expect them to last long.

[Nodbugger]

HAhahahaha you're wrong again you daft cunt.http://ganjataz.com/01smileys/images/smileys/saddunce.gif


Pigs can live off just about anything, hence why Australia has many wild ones today.


By the looks of it there are quite a few in Florida as well
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~bamster/rave5.html


Hahahahahhah you dumb fuck http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/209136.gif

Different species dumb ass.

[Juice Biscuit]

Different species dumb ass.



What?


Where the fuck do you think they came from you clusterfuck?



Encyclopedia Britanica: Any of the wild members of the pig species Sus scrofa, family Suidae. The term boar is also used to designate the male of the domestic pig, guinea pig, and various other mammals. The term wild boar, or wild pig, is sometimes used to refer to any wild member of the Sus genus.

Wild Boar: any of the wild members of the pig species Sus scrofa (family Suidae, order Artiodactyla), the ancestors of domestic pigs. See boar

http://www.archeryinfo.info/Boarhunting.html


Different species you say? Where the fuck do you think they came from?

Where the fuck do you think Aust and the US got these animals from?


Who the fuck would import animals like that?



hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah


Wrong again fucktard. :fu:

[Up_All_Night]

You cannot take domesticated Animals, stick them in the wild and expect them to last long.

what the fuck dude?
domesticated animals can live in the wild. why you think horses, camels, dogs, cats ect. live in the wild in australia when they arent native to here. well is a native dog as such, dingo, but that isnt that native it was brought her by the aboriginies.

[Reprobate]

The arguement is leading towards:

"Are pigs smarter than Nodbugger?"

And the answer seems to be "YES" at this point.

and Nodbugger ain't good eating. that's why he's still with us. dribbling shit.

[johny_roberts]

What about Miss Piggy

[Snowball]

You are from the smartest species on Earth and you wouldn't be able to last more than a couple weeks.

You cannot take domesticated Animals, stick them in the wild and expect them to last long.


The fact that you think we are the smartest species on Earth just goes to show how stupid you are.

[Up_All_Night]

smartest species according to who though? What if we're just the most capable species...

[johny_roberts]

what about piglet

[Up_All_Night]

Babe been mentioned?

George Clooney has or had a pet pig.

Babe,

ummmm

Mr Ed was a smart horse

[johny_roberts]

Babe been mentioned?

George Clooney has or had a pet pig.

Babe,

shhhhhh had to edit your post. I doubt he knows that..

What about Wilbur

[Up_All_Night]

Pigs “have the cognitive ability to be quite sophisticated. Even more so than dogs and certainly [more so than] three-year-olds,” says Dr. Donald Broom, Cambridge University professor and former scientific advisor to the Council of Europe.(1) Pigs can play video games, and when offered a choice, they have indicated environmental temperature preferences.(2)

These facts are not surprising to anyone who has spent time around these social, playful animals. Pigs, who have a great sense of smell and can live into their teens, are very protective of their young and form bonds with other pigs. Contrary to popular belief, pigs are clean animals, but they do not have sweat glands, so they take to the mud to stay cool and ward off flies.(3,4)
stupid biased liberal source using facts to further their agenda (http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=119)

[polite]

'The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.'

[Up_All_Night]

what about the pig man from seinfeld.

[Davo_Dinkum]

Ha ha, Pig-man rocks. Good on Kramer.

So, the whole idea of this arguement is that anything that has a lower IQ than the common man can and should be eaten?

What about people with down syndrom?

It's not their fault they have it.

Should we eat them?

[Davo_Dinkum]

From american's shooting dogs

to

eating pigs then finally to people with down syndrom?

Down Syndrom....Brilliant

[polite]

From american's shooting dogs

to

eating pigs then finally to people with down syndrom?

Down Syndrom....Brilliant

Who would have thought of that?!

[haiironezumi]

What if the pigs are smarter than the people with Down Syndrome? Do we get to feed the Down Syndrome people to the pigs? Do we get to feed Noddy to some Pigs?

[SOC]

I ate some pig for breakfast today. It was yummy.

[bund]

Pigs ARE domesticated.
Pigs and Cows are bread to be eaten. That is their sole purpose.

I know a farmer that uses his pig for another purpose... only since his wife passed away.

[Nodbugger]

What?


Where the fuck do you think they came from you clusterfuck?




http://www.archeryinfo.info/Boarhunting.html


Different species you say? Where the fuck do you think they came from?

Where the fuck do you think Aust and the US got these animals from?


Who the fuck would import animals like that?



hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah


Wrong again fucktard. :fu:



You are wrong, they are different genus. I guess I used the wrong term you fuck head. It is the same thing with dogs. A wolf is a not a fucking cocker spaniel. Yet they are both dogs.

[Nodbugger]

what the fuck dude?
domesticated animals can live in the wild. why you think horses, camels, dogs, cats ect. live in the wild in australia when they arent native to here. well is a native dog as such, dingo, but that isnt that native it was brought her by the aboriginies.


Those aren't domesticated, their ancestors were brought there hundreds of years ago and they have slowly adapted to Australia. It is highly unlikely any of their ancestors were domesticated either. Every hear of zoos getting baby lions and so on? They cannot just let them back into the wild because they would just die.

[SOC]

baby lions
I wonder what they would taste like? Would you roast them whole, like a suckling pig, or chop them up into steaks and BBQ them?

[Bostonmess]

Pigs and Cows are bread to be eaten.

Don't you mean wheat?

[SOC]

I heard that you could also make bread from corn. I didn't believe it though, because it came from an unreliable source.

[FireHart]

Corny bread goes well with a merlot

[Bostonmess]

I've heard that too, first time I've heard pigs or cows though. Perhaps Noddy, for once, will provide that ever important video evidence to back up his claim.

[Bostonmess]

Corny bread goes well with a merlot

Bet it doesn't go as well with it as a nice curry?

[SOC]

What, the curry goes well with a merlot or corn bread? I prefer naan or poppadoms with my curry. And a good beer - either Tiger, Cobra of Kingfisher.

[Bostonmess]

Spicy Merlot.

[SOC]

Cobra beer is best when you're having curried dog.

[Bostonmess]

My niece would probably agree too.

[SOC]

She doesn't like curried dog? What's wrong with her!

[Bostonmess]

The bottle of Cobra was empty.

[Munchkin]

I like the picture ..... it looks like someone next to her has just farted and she's caught that first whiff :)

[jacko]

I remember not too long ago when you stupid fucking Australians were killing Rabbits with dynamite.
I LOVE MAKING MONEY FROM HANDBAGS LIKE YOU NODDY :pumpy: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: HAAAHAAAAAHHAAAA

[Nodbugger]

I LOVE MAKING MONEY FROM HANDBAGS LIKE YOU NODDY :pumpy: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: HAAAHAAAAAHHAAAA


Did you forget about Australia's plague of Rabbits?

[Juice Biscuit]

You are wrong, they are different genus. I guess I used the wrong term you fuck head. It is the same thing with dogs. A wolf is a not a fucking cocker spaniel. Yet they are both dogs.



How am a I wrong? All I said was that domestic pigs have been able to live in the wild to evolve into what they are today.



Bwhahahahahaahahah, the closest noddy will ever come to ever saying that he was wrong.


I guess I used the wrong term


That's going straight to the pool room.



But you claimed that pigs couldn't survive in the wild, when that statement is 100% wrong. Even your pink little domestic pig could survive in Aust.

[Nodbugger]

How am a I wrong? All I said was that domestic pigs have been able to live in the wild to evolve into what they are today.



Bwhahahahahaahahah, the closest noddy will ever come to ever saying that he was wrong.





That's going straight to the pool room.



But you claimed that pigs couldn't survive in the wild, when that statement is 100% wrong. Even your pink little domestic pig could survive in Aust.

Domesticated pigs cannot survive in the wild, wild animals can barely survive in the wild.

[Juice Biscuit]

Domesticated pigs cannot survive in the wild, wild animals can barely survive in the wild.



So how did they get here?


Did the first fleet somehow beam them here from somewhere?


Or were they domesticated animals that escaped?



Hmmmmmm, god this must be a hard descision for you, do you just admit that you were wrong, or???????

[Nodbugger]

So how did they get here?


Did the first fleet somehow beam them here from somewhere?


Or were they domesticated animals that escaped?



Hmmmmmm, god this must be a hard descision for you, do you just admit that you were wrong, or???????

They were brought over wild. Just like Australia's Rabbits.

[Bostonmess]

Are there any cases of animals that were domesticated but managed to survive in the wild?

[johny_roberts]

Are there any cases of animals that were domesticated but managed to survive in the wild?

my cock and its ruff in the wild but I will manage :banana:

[Scythe]

Are there any cases of animals that were domesticated but managed to survive in the wild?

Cats do quite well.

[johny_roberts]

Cats do quite well.

Pussy is very adaptable in the wild

[Munchkin]

Snappy pussy ?

[johny_roberts]

Snappy pussy ?

I was thinking more wet :D

[Munchkin]

Aaaahh ... soggy pussy !

[Bostonmess]

I was hoping Noddy might answer (yeah fucking right, eh Scythe? :D), but nevermind, he's not here.

Barnyard swine became adapted to man's meal hours, feeding by day
and sleeping at night. When they go wild they return to the schedule of
their untamed ancestors, lying in a shady lair all day and foraging at
night.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/natbltn/700-799/nb743.htm

[Nodbugger]

Cats do quite well.


With human interference, stick them out in the middle of a forest they won't last long.

[johny_roberts]

Aaaahh ... soggy pussy !

even better

wonder if nordy even knows these puns

[Scythe]

With human interference, stick them out in the middle of a forest they won't last long.

Cats are phenomenally effective predators, and feral cats do quite well in the wild. In fact, packs of feral cats are one of the major threats to Australian native wildlife, since they are more effective hunters than most of our major species.

[Juice Biscuit]

With human interference, stick them out in the middle of a forest they won't last long.


Ahahahahahah wrong again Noddy



The only human interference our feral cats have is in the shape of a bullet.

[Nodbugger]

Ahahahahahah wrong again Noddy



The only human interference our feral cats have is in the shape of a bullet.


He dick head, those cats live in cities. They don't live in the middle of no where. There are no domesticated type cats out in the the forests or jungles living there.

Plus they are the offspring of domesticated cats. Meaning they are not domesticated.

[johny_roberts]

He dick head, those cats live in cities. They don't live in the middle of no where. There are no domesticated type cats out in the the forests or jungles living there.

Plus they are the offspring of domesticated cats. Meaning they are not domesticated.


lmfao lmfao ya those city cats have credit cards and shit unlike those old country cats where out there they dont accept no dammm credit card. Thank god squirls and mice only live in the city. Why because of the dammed credit card.

dude I hope you are fucking with us with your responses if not you are one stupid child and should never I repeat never ever reproduce. We have enough stupid people here do not need more...

City cats lmfao

[Scythe]

Plus they are the offspring of domesticated cats. Meaning they are not domesticated.

No, there are all kinds of cats that go feral. Cats that are abandoned, both as kittens and as adults, as well as cats that live on the outskirts of cities and decide to live in the wild. I live near a mountain range, and I can tell you that feral cats are a major problem. And in order for them to be the offspring of domesticated cats, those domesticated cats had to live in the wild at some point.

[Munchkin]

City cats lmfao

Are they the kind of cats that earn big $$'s, wear tailored suits and have their hair all slicked back, a la Wall Street ?

[Hippy Vindalou]

Noddy there are plenty of people round here that can tell you of horses that have escaped properties to go run with brumbies. Brumbies = wild horses. All of which came from originaly domesticated stock.

There are also heaps of wild cows, especially on the islands, where the fences (if they even have a fence) are run down on old properties and the terrain makes mustering difficult, and now there are hundreds of wild cattle surviving and breeding quite well on thier own. They even named one of the islands "Wild Cattle Island" after them all.

There are feral cats in the bush and even in the national forests living off the native animals, why would you think they all live in cities?
Even if they did, do you really think someone is putting out some fucking Snappy Tom for all the strays? If they can forage for food in the city then its not gonna be to difficult to find food in the scrub full of birds and small animals.

How about you just shut the fuck up on a subject for once. Every time you open your mouth its like you just spew forth ignorance, its like your proud of being stupid.
And stop calling people dickhead and fuckhead for stating thier opinion. Being stupid is one thing, no need to be stupid and an arsehole.
If you shut your cakehole and opened your ears for once you might leave knowing more than when you entered.

[johny_roberts]

Are they the kind of cats that earn big $$'s, wear tailored suits and have their hair all slicked back, a la Wall Street ?

ohhh you can not believe the threads they wear out in the city. Ive seen some in suits. Did you know there are some cats out here that are bald actually bald pussy cats. Now thats a fashion statement. Those cats in the country its too cold there so they need a lot of fur.

Plus last month I got stiffed by a city cat would not happen to in the country...

[Juice Biscuit]

He dick head, those cats live in cities. They don't live in the middle of no where. There are no domesticated type cats out in the the forests or jungles living there.

Plus they are the offspring of domesticated cats. Meaning they are not domesticated.


Hey fuckrat, has your dad ever been to Australia?



Well mine has, not only that, I have too.



So therefore I know more than you cocksmoker http://home.exetel.com.au/myfiles/blowjob.gif




Or does living here but not being a Marine make me a corrupted witness?


Sorry but your schizophrenic debating skill are too hard to keep up with.

[Nodbugger]

No, there are all kinds of cats that go feral. Cats that are abandoned, both as kittens and as adults, as well as cats that live on the outskirts of cities and decide to live in the wild. I live near a mountain range, and I can tell you that feral cats are a major problem. And in order for them to be the offspring of domesticated cats, those domesticated cats had to live in the wild at some point.


Ya so? What is your point. You cannot take the cat you have in your house,. stick in the forest and expect it to last very long. They have to slowly adapt. From living in a city to living in the wild. They can't go from one to the other. It is nearly impossible.

[Nodbugger]

Noddy there are plenty of people round here that can tell you of horses that have escaped properties to go run with brumbies. Brumbies = wild horses. All of which came from originaly domesticated stock.

There are also heaps of wild cows, especially on the islands, where the fences (if they even have a fence) are run down on old properties and the terrain makes mustering difficult, and now there are hundreds of wild cattle surviving and breeding quite well on thier own. They even named one of the islands "Wild Cattle Island" after them all.

There are feral cats in the bush and even in the national forests living off the native animals, why would you think they all live in cities?
Even if they did, do you really think someone is putting out some fucking Snappy Tom for all the strays? If they can forage for food in the city then its not gonna be to difficult to find food in the scrub full of birds and small animals.

How about you just shut the fuck up on a subject for once. Every time you open your mouth its like you just spew forth ignorance, its like your proud of being stupid.
And stop calling people dickhead and fuckhead for stating thier opinion. Being stupid is one thing, no need to be stupid and an arsehole.
If you shut your cakehole and opened your ears for once you might leave knowing more than when you entered.


You are one ignorant bastard.

Domestic animals CANNOT survived in the wild. Case closed.

[johny_roberts]

You are one ignorant bastard.

Domestic animals CANNOT survived in the wild. Case closed.

cannot is a strong word to use without understanding its meaning. Please look it up and repost...

That is all

[Nodbugger]

cannot is a strong word to use without understanding its meaning. Please look it up and repost...

That is all


Domestic animals are not capable. They are domesticated. They don't just spring back instincts and turn wild. They cannot and will not. It is impossible. They must adapt. They can only slowly adapt to wild lives.

[Juice Biscuit]

Ya so? What is your point. You cannot take the cat you have in your house,. stick in the forest and expect it to last very long. They have to slowly adapt. From living in a city to living in the wild. They can't go from one to the other. It is nearly impossible.





Ahahahahahahahahah


Domestic cats still hunt things out of instinct who fucknuckle, my aunties cats get more food put down than they can eat, yet constantly go out and hunt native animals and bring them back in the house you tard.



Maybe if you wern't trapped in the city of Chicago, you would know that. :fu:

[polite]

When I was little our cat 'Fluffy' ran away. I thought it was something i'd said but Mum said it wasn't. So I sat and waited and hoped he'd come back. Two years later he returned, tired, hungry but he was still our 'Fluffy'. It made me happy.
He'd run off and lived in the thick bush near my town where no humans ever went. He went on to live a full and happy life until a car ran over him. :(
So this was a cat that lived in the wild. So you are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Ner ner.

[Nodbugger]

Ahahahahahahahahah


Domestic cats still hunt things out of instinct who fucknuckle, my aunties cats get more food put down than they can eat, yet constantly go out and hunt native animals and bring them back in the house you tard.



Maybe if you wern't trapped in the city of Chicago, you would know that. :fu:


Bring them back to the house, yes they can do that. But do they ever eat them? No. I have never seen a cat catch an animal than eat it.

[Nodbugger]

When I was little our cat 'Fluffy' ran away. I thought it was something i'd said but Mum said it wasn't. So I sat and waited and hoped he'd come back. Two years later he returned, tired, hungry but he was still our 'Fluffy'. It made me happy.
He'd run off and lived in the thick bush near my town where no humans ever went. He went on to live a full and happy life until a car ran over him. :(
So this was a cat that lived in the wild. So you are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Ner ner.


How do you know it lived in the wild? You lost it.

[Juice Biscuit]

Bring them back to the house, yes they can do that. But do they ever eat them? No. I have never seen a cat catch an animal than eat it.



Actually they usually have some part missing, or have been 'opened' up by the time they get them into the house.



But are you claiming that the cat is smart enough to carry it with its mouth but too stupid to realise that it can eat it?


C'mon its not like its a MP, I mean cats are way smarter that those daft cunts.





Add this to the jet planes, pigs, and whatever other things you have been wrong about over the past year.

[Nodbugger]

Actually they usually have some part missing, or have been 'opened' up by the time they get them into the house.



But are you claiming that the cat is smart enough to carry it with its mouth but too stupid to realise that it can eat it?


C'mon its not like its a MP, I mean cats are way smarter that those daft cunts.





Add this to the jet planes, pigs, and whatever other things you have been wrong about over the past year.

The cat does not realise it is food.



I haven't been wrong on anything.

[Serpent_Girl]

It is my opinion that you can never "really" domesticate animals. They are animals after all, and it is inbuilt into their brains to be wild and to hunt. They don't have to be taught to hunt or kill birds. A cat kept in a house for it's entire life and that has never seen a bird before will still have the urge to stalk it and then chase it. Kittens in a litter fight each other without being told (that is, kept away from their mother from birth or any other animals) to practise their hunting skills. And I can tell you that if the cat doesn't eat the kills it brings in it is just giving it to you because you're higher up in it's little cat hierarchy. That's why it dumps it on your feet. :grr:

Oh and just to add..."wild animals" that are supposedly "domestic animals" gone wild, were originally wild in the first place (aka prehistoric times) and no matter how much you domesticate them they're still going to be wild. They're just reverting back to thier original roots.

[Hippy Vindalou]

So how do these wild animals come about then? Do the domesticated ones pratice being wild, slowly training up thier offspring to be wild over generations until one day "You are ready grasshopper, I cannot teach you anymore. You must now leave to make your own way in the world".
There were no wild cows before these ones, there were no wild horses here originally. THEY WERE FARM ANIMALS WHO ESCAPED AND OR LEFT TO TO THEMSELVES FOR SO LONG THEY HAVE BECOME WILD. THEY WERE NOT WILD TO START WITH.

Godamn, you prove with two lines what it took me a paragraph to point out. That being you are both stupid and an arsehole.

Do you really think a domesticated animal has lost all its natural instincts? An animal bred in a small cage or pen for generations is unlikely to survive but anything else isnt just going to forget how or what to eat.

You reckon domestic animals cannot survive in the wild? Prove it!

[johny_roberts]

I haven't been wrong on anything except when I started fucking young boys that was wrong but I liked it.

Much better

[Juice Biscuit]

The cat does not realise it is food.



I haven't been wrong on anything.



So what you are saying is that the cat will kill the animal and play with it in its mouth and paws after it is dead, but will starve to death looking at it before it goes to eat it?


Is that your argument? Becuase by that rational they def are as stupid as MPs




How exactly do these wild cats become wild then Noddy?



As so far your argument is that they can live as long as they have never been around humans as they wouldn't be smart enough to hunt and eat, yet if they just appeared then they would instanly be able to hunt and kill for themselves even when they are kittens.

[Scythe]

Domestic animals are not capable. They are domesticated. They don't just spring back instincts and turn wild. They cannot and will not. It is impossible. They must adapt. They can only slowly adapt to wild lives.

Cats have never really been domesticated. They still retain most of their wild instincts. For that matter, so do most other animals we think of as domesticated, but with cats they're much closer to the surface. Cats almost never come when called, they are very difficult to train, and, unlike most other pets, they almost never do tricks. Put most cats in the middle of the wilderness, and they will do quite well, especially in an environment like Australia, which has relatively few large predators and quite a lot of things that can easily end up as a damp squeak in the night.

It's much the same with a wolf. You can train a wolf from a pup, but it still won't be "domesticated". Cats are slowly losing the domestication battle, but they are putting up one heck of a fight.

[Enos]

This thread is comedy gold!

There's no point arguing with Noddy when he's made his mind up.

Pigs are stupid and domestic animals can't survive without human aid (all of us in Oz are in league with the feral cats)

[Nodbugger]

The fact remains that domesticated animals cannot be put back into the wild.

[Hippy Vindalou]

What fact?
It is your opinion. That in no way makes it fact. You have proven nothing*.






*Apart form the two things mentioned earlier.

[amj]

The fact remains that domesticated animals cannot be put back into the wild.

you telling me that i can't drive to a field with my cat and leave him there?

[Enos]

The fact remains that domesticated animals cannot be put back into the wild.\

Says who?

How did all those feral cats in Australia get that way?

How did we get wild horses in Australia when they are not a native species?

I want a proper answer as well, not "cos I said" or "Are you retarded?" or any of your other catch phrases.

[Nodbugger]

\

Says who?

How did all those feral cats in Australia get that way?

How did we get wild horses in Australia when they are not a native species?

I want a proper answer as well, not "cos I said" or "Are you retarded?" or any of your other catch phrases.

Feral cats did not go straight from domesticated to wild, plus they are not completely wild. They still depend on humans and their waste.

Horses were put in Australia wild, the same as I said with your rabbits.

[johny_roberts]

Feral cats did not go straight from domesticated to wild, plus they are not completely wild. They still depend on humans and their waste.

Horses were put in Australia wild, the same as I said with your rabbits.

pet a feral cat one day they are fucking nuts let me know how it goes

[Enos]

Feral cats did not go straight from domesticated to wild, plus they are not completely wild. They still depend on humans and their waste.

Horses were put in Australia wild, the same as I said with your rabbits.

Not true. Feral cats live in the Northern Territory which has a very low human population. They survive by predating on local fauna. I dare you to try and pick one up for a cuddle, you won't have a face afterwards. They avoid humans as the local aborigines hunt them.

For management purposes, cats are divided into three categories — domestic, stray and feral — although individual cats may move between categories. Domestic cats are owned and cared for, and stray cats are those found roaming cities, towns and some rural holdings. Feral cats, which survive without any human contact or assistance, are the main target of control programs. (http://www.deh.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/publications/cat/index.html)

Why on earth would they have introduced wild horses? Horses arrived with the First Fleet in 1788. Shipments of working farm horses followed, and the first record of horses either escaping into the bush or being abandoned was in 1804 (http://www.deh.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/publications/horse/index.html)

[Juice Biscuit]

Feral cats did not go straight from domesticated to wild, plus they are not completely wild. They still depend on humans and their waste.

Horses were put in Australia wild, the same as I said with your rabbits.





How exactly did these wild horses get to Australia then?



If you had enough money to bring horses on a 6 month sailing voyage, you didn't have to go prancing around the English country side to own one.



No wait, don't answer that, as everytime you don't reply to my posts it proves that you know I'm right.






With Hugs and Kisses

Pinger

[Bostonmess]

They have to slowly adapt. From living in a city to living in the wild. They can't go from one to the other. It is nearly impossible.

They don't just spring back instincts and turn wild. They cannot and will not. It is impossible. They must adapt. They can only slowly adapt to wild lives.

So it is possible?

[Nodbugger]

Not true. Feral cats live in the Northern Territory which has a very low human population. They survive by predating on local fauna. I dare you to try and pick one up for a cuddle, you won't have a face afterwards. They avoid humans as the local aborigines hunt them.

For management purposes, cats are divided into three categories — domestic, stray and feral — although individual cats may move between categories. Domestic cats are owned and cared for, and stray cats are those found roaming cities, towns and some rural holdings. Feral cats, which survive without any human contact or assistance, are the main target of control programs. (http://www.deh.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/publications/cat/index.html)

Why on earth would they have introduced wild horses? Horses arrived with the First Fleet in 1788. Shipments of working farm horses followed, and the first record of horses either escaping into the bush or being abandoned was in 1804 (http://www.deh.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/publications/horse/index.html)


And how many generations have those cats lived there? If you take the cat that lives in your house and stick it outside your house. It will either die or get picked up by other humans.

As for the horses. Horses brought over were not all domesticated. Many were introduced to the areas, just like the rabbits.

Besides, horses are different than cats or pigs. Cats are mostly carnivores. And a domestics cats don't hunt for their food. So they won't know what is food. Pigs eat all types of things. So they will need to do more than graze all day. Horses have very few predators. They can survive on plants. Plus they are big enough to not get hit by cars and they are also not hunted. So they have a much better chance.

[Nodbugger]

So it is possible?


They can from Generation to Generation.

[Bostonmess]

How many does it take?

[johny_roberts]

They can from Generation to Generation.

Kind of like your family inteligence is passed from Generation to Generation. Dammmm to bad you got the wrong generation......

[Enos]

And how many generations have those cats lived there? If you take the cat that lives in your house and stick it outside your house. It will either die or get picked up by other humans

Cats are extraordinarily good predators. Of any domesticated animal I'd put my money on a cat to survive in the wild if dropped in bumfuck nowhere. Those cats that have lived there for generations all started out as ordinary house cats and their poulations are constantly increased by strays.

As for the horses. Horses brought over were not all domesticated. Many were introduced to the areas, just like the rabbits.

I see, and you're basing this information on? It's not that I don't believe you, just that I tend to have less trouble if you base it on something.

Besides, horses are different than cats or pigs. Cats are mostly carnivores. And a domestics cats don't hunt for their food. So they won't know what is food. Pigs eat all types of things. So they will need to do more than graze all day. Horses have very few predators. They can survive on plants. Plus they are big enough to not get hit by cars and they are also not hunted. So they have a much better chance.

You have no idea, and I'll take my own advice and stop arguing.

One final attempt. Read this link (http://rubens.anu.edu.au/student.projects/rabbits/wildanim.html)
and it discusses the different types of feral animal and how they came about in Australia. According to that, rabbits, foxes and deer were intentionally released for hunting reasons but that's it.

[johny_roberts]

this thread is about as funny as a bunch of monkey playing football:

Proceed

[Hippy Vindalou]

Horses were a valuable commodity back in the pre car days. Who the hell would go to the trouble and expense of catching wild horses, shipping them out to australia just to let them go again?

[Nodbugger]

Horses were a valuable commodity back in the pre car days. Who the hell would go to the trouble and expense of catching wild horses, shipping them out to australia just to let them go again?

Scientists?

[Up_All_Night]

Noddy, seriously, how can you be going on with out severly lacking intelligence, or taking the piss, dude,... fuck... man dude... you really that stupid?

Numerous links proving you wrong have been posted. You have provided nothing to back up your argument, and the fact that you cant get anything, doesnt make you realise you are wrong!

alot of your argument, if it can be called one doesnt make sense. your argument of, they cant go from domesticated to wild, it takes time. Well thats saying they can go wild.
Let me ask you this, at national parks here, they forbid people from brining in cats and dogs, because they might escape and go wild, living in the bush, preying on native wild life. why would they care if people released them, and have all this information about why not to release these animals into the wild because of damange to eco systems, if the animals didnt pose a threat?

Cats are highly adaptive, once released into the wild it takes only several generations until they are smaller, generally dark colours, better suited to the bush.

Why are you arguing with us, when we live in a country with alot more bush, wildlife, and undeveloped area's than yours? that gives us an advantage in this debate. Also what do you think there's a conspiracy to make people like all us aussies think that domesticated animals wont drop dead second they are out of sight of a human as u think?

Every hear of zoos getting baby lions and so on? They cannot just let them back into the wild because they would just die.
zoos actually release animals back into the wild all the time. they have breeding programs to help endangered species.

Domesticated pigs cannot survive in the wild, wild animals can barely survive in the wild.
actually wild animals survive well in the wild. Except when there's human interferance, or the enterance of a new predator like a released foreign animals.

With human interference, stick them out in the middle of a forest they won't last long.
yet they do

He dick head, those cats live in cities. They don't live in the middle of no where. There are no domesticated type cats out in the the forests or jungles living there.


Feral cats did not go straight from domesticated to wild, plus they are not completely wild. They still depend on humans and their waste.


and you claim to never be wrong
i like many people here have probably seen feral cats in the bush, in national parks. Its a major problem here to aussie wildlife, so most aussies are aware of the issues.


Horses were put in Australia wild, the same as I said with your rabbits.
so stupid, why would they release horses wild?
australias very big, they were used for transportation. Same with the camels in the desert. they were released or escaped.

Ya so? What is your point. You cannot take the cat you have in your house,. stick in the forest and expect it to last very long. They have to slowly adapt. From living in a city to living in the wild. They can't go from one to the other. It is nearly impossible.
wrong, sure some die, but alot dont, that are natural predators

Plus they are the offspring of domesticated cats. Meaning they are not domesticated.

i think you fail to realise what constitues a domesticated species and what is involved. If my dog has a puppy, it is still a domesticated species even if the dog has the puppy in the back yard and it has had no contact with me until i go and pick it up.

so is your argument, that these animals get in the wild, because when the domesticated animals go out there, they fuck, and have babies really quickly, then die and the babies are the ones that survive?

You are one ignorant bastard.

Domestic animals CANNOT survived in the wild. Case closed.
we've provided evidence this is false
prove us wrong?
oh what you cant?
you cant admit you're wrong?
you seriously have major issues man

The cat does not realise it is food.

one of the dumbest things you've ever said.

The fact remains that domesticated animals cannot be put back into the wild.
then explain why there are domesticated animal species in the wild? away from humans?


this is typical of how big a douch you are, even when everyone disagrees with you, not even ya little yankie buddies who sometimes back you up. there is evidence proving you wrong, you cant produce any evidence to support you're stupid claims. Its obvious you ahve zero knowledge on the issue, so dont just make up shit. Here's the chance, the day where you can admit you're wrong, and you can one day look back and go, that was the day i became a better person, i grew up, i got past my stupid childish arrogance.
but u wont cause you are a moron.

[Nodbugger]

YOU ARE WRONG. I'm not going to explain it again, your entire post above is complete bullshit.

Unless there are wild bags of kibble, domesticated animals will never ever be able to survive very long in the wild.

[Up_All_Night]

then how the fuck are there wild cats in australia? wild dogs? wild horses and so forth?

[Nodbugger]

then how the fuck are there wild cats in australia? wild dogs? wild horses and so forth?


They either came there wild of over time they became wild.

A domestic cat will not live in the wild. A domestic pig will not live in the wild. A domestic dog will not live in the wild.

The only animals that have a decent chance are cows and horses and that is because of their size.

[Doitle]

There are problems releasing domestic animals into the wild. The main problem is that the animal instinct is almost completely bred out. Like Nodbugger is saying if a cat kills a mouse and is domesticated, it doesn't know that it should eat it, and it might not even be able to. As they grow up on processed food their digestive systems change. Just like we can no longer just go eat raw meat off a bone, I wouldn't be surprised if a domestic cat got sick eating a mouse.

In a real world example I have a German Short Hair Pointer. When its out in the yard sometimes it catches a rabbit or a bird. If it does catch them it kills them but then just lays down next to it. She doesn't eat them because she doesn't know to. From the time she was born to present day she has drank milk and water and eaten little hard pellets. This is exactly the reason they have to have rehabilitation programs in zoos when they release an animal into the wild. They have to make sure the animal knows what to do, they have to make sure it can hunt and track and defend itself.

Without the essential skills and instincts which may have been dulled or completely lost in the domestication process, domestic animals have a slim if any chance of surviving very long in the wild.

[Up_All_Night]

did you read the links posted above about wild cats in australia?

[Up_All_Night]

There are problems releasing domestic animals into the wild. The main problem is that the animal instinct is almost completely bred out. Like Nodbugger is saying if a cat kills a mouse and is domesticated, it doesn't know that it should eat it, and it might not even be able to. As they grow up on processed food their digestive systems change. Just like we can no longer just go eat raw meat off a bone, I wouldn't be surprised if a domestic cat got sick eating a mouse.

In a real world example I have a German Short Hair Pointer. When its out in the yard sometimes it catches a rabbit or a bird. If it does catch them it kills them but then just lays down next to it. She doesn't eat them because she doesn't know to. From the time she was born to present day she has drank milk and water and eaten little hard pellets. This is exactly the reason they have to have rehabilitation programs in zoos when they release an animal into the wild. They have to make sure the animal knows what to do, they have to make sure it can hunt and track and defend itself.

Without the essential skills and instincts which may have been dulled or completely lost in the domestication process, domestic animals have a slim if any chance of surviving very long in the wild.

the fact that it can kill the animals shows that it still as its instincts. Just because it doesnt eat it, or noticable amount when its living with a family, well looked after, fed, does not mean when its in the wild, it wont kill an animal and eat it when its starving with no one putting out a bowl of my dog. Ever heard about animals reverting to their wild behaviour? its a common thing when they are not looked after.

some animals wont, i doubt my dog being a spoiled little dog would, but alot would, especially the larger dogs. Dogs are different than say cats, cats are less trained. But these animals do survive in large enough amounts in the wild to cause serious damage to the eco system.

[Hippy Vindalou]

They either came there wild of over time they became wild.
Explain how this 'over time' thing works without the animal actually living in the wild during this time? Do they go to secret training camps to practice?
These generations of animals adapting over time all had to start somewhere. How does a domestic animal adapt to the wild over generations without living in the wild?

The only animals that have a decent chance are cows and horses and that is because of their size.
Please explain?

[Up_All_Night]

personally id think it harder for a cow to survive that a cat if released in a forrest

[Nodbugger]

Explain how this 'over time' thing works without the animal actually living in the wild during this time? Do they go to secret training camps to practice?
These generations of animals adapting over time all had to start somewhere. How does a domestic animal adapt to the wild over generations without living in the wild?


Please explain?

It is a simple.

I explain this with people.

My Great Grand Parents came from Italy. They knew nothing about America.

They had kids who were more knowledgeable about American ways but still were not totally versed in it.

They had kids and they were even better.

So on and so on.


Each Generation knows and figures out a little bit more than the last.

What animals in Australia could kill a cow or a horse?

[Enos]

YOU ARE WRONG. I'm not going to explain it again, your entire post above is complete bullshit.

Unless there are wild bags of kibble, domesticated animals will never ever be able to survive very long in the wild.

You've explained nothing. You've ranted with no basis in fact or source for your claims. Give up. I don't even know why you bother. If you didn't open your mouth in the first place crapping on about stuff you know nothing about you wouldn't paint yourself into these corners. The lesson to be learned here is think before you type/speak.

End Communication.

[Nodbugger]

personally id think it harder for a cow to survive that a cat if released in a forrest


A cat has predators and things that can kill it, plus it has to hunt.

A cow is a huge animal that survives on anything green.

[Enos]

A cat has predators and things that can kill it, plus it has to hunt.

A cow is a huge animal that survives on anything green.

Cats in australia have no predators and native species have evolved without major predators so have little defense against them.

A cat is a small animal that survives on anything meat.

[Nodbugger]

You've explained nothing. You've ranted with no basis in fact or source for your claims. Give up. I don't even know why you bother. If you didn't open your mouth in the first place crapping on about stuff you know nothing about you wouldn't paint yourself into these corners. The lesson to be learned here is think before you type/speak.

End Communication.


I already won.

[Nodbugger]

Cats in australia have no predators

Yes they do. Wild dogs like dingos, snakes and other reptiles. I'm sure crocodiles have eaten many cats.

[Enos]

I already won.

Yup, you won the arrogant, uneducated douche bag award hands down. No one even came close. Congratulations

[Hippy Vindalou]

I see what you mean but a comparing a cat learning stuff to a human learning stuff is a hell of a stretch.

What animal in Aus is going to kill a cat or a dog or a pig for that matter? Although packs of feral dogs do attack domestic cattle, sheep and horses when their other food sources are scarce. This doesnt happen all that often though (not forr long at any rate).

[Nodbugger]

I see what you mean but a comparing a cat learning stuff to a human learning stuff is a hell of a stretch.

What animal in Aus is going to kill a cat or a dog or a pig for that matter? Although packs of feral dogs do attack domestic cattle, sheep and horses when their other food sources are scarce. This doesnt happen all that often though (not forr long at any rate).


I'm sure crocodiles kill the large animals. Snakes and other reptiles kill the small animals. And the Dingos have a good chance of getting cats and dogs.

[Up_All_Night]

horses and cows need pastures, open space.
sure snakes might bite cats here and there, but no snakes large enough to eat cats, so why would they bother attacking them? snakes attack when defending themselves, or to eat. snakes eat small mammals, rodents. not cats. Maybe in some copntrys with big snakes they do, not here.

also dingos are not found all over aus, same with crocs
the cats are more suited to the forrests where you dont find them.

[Hippy Vindalou]

Do you seriously believe we have crocs in all our national parks and bushland? Snakes and reptiles hunting cats? My domesticated(read -pet) cats have brought home snakes they have caught in the bush that would easily be over 8 or 9 times the length of the cat and highly venemous.
Dingoes maybe but jeez they arent everywhere.
Are you for real? This isnt the land that time forgot you know. Holy fuck man you blow my mind, I am grinning like a cheshire cat here at the thought of you actually beliveing all this stuff you say.

[Scythe]

Yes they do. Wild dogs like dingos, snakes and other reptiles. I'm sure crocodiles have eaten many cats.

Just the fact you can say that without adding the :HA: smiley is pretty much all the proof anyone needs that you have no idea about the Australian ecosystem.

[Nodbugger]

horses and cows need pastures, open space.
sure snakes might bite cats here and there, but no snakes large enough to eat cats, so why would they bother attacking them? snakes attack when defending themselves, or to eat. snakes eat small mammals, rodents. not cats. Maybe in some copntrys with big snakes they do, not here.

also dingos are not found all over aus, same with crocs
the cats are more suited to the forrests where you dont find them.


Australia has plenty of open space. But most of your open space has very little vegetation.

Of course there are snakes large enough to eat cats. Cats are not very big animals and would be nothing for a decent sized snake.

[Nodbugger]

Do you seriously believe we have crocs in all our national parks and bushland? Snakes and reptiles hunting cats? My domesticated(read -pet) cats have brought home snakes they have caught in the bush that would easily be over 8 or 9 times the length of the cat and highly venemous.
Dingoes maybe but jeez they arent everywhere.
Are you for real? This isnt the land that time forgot you know. Holy fuck man you blow my mind, I am grinning like a cheshire cat here at the thought of you actually beliveing all this stuff you say.

You have more Crocodiles and dingos than the US. Plus you have people whose title is Crocodile hunter.

So you must have a decent population of them.

[Enos]

Man, I love the way your mind works.

[Hairyman]

Syllogy in action...I don't think.

[sharpie]

You have more Crocodiles and dingos than the US. Plus you have people whose title is Crocodile hunter.

So you must have a decent population of them.
ROFLMFAO

see this is why i love seppos

the tiny amount of news about places outside the US that makes it to their tv... and of course they believe every word of it

funnily enough we have more dingos than the US.. their a native here
and yes we have more crocodiles, but you have more alligators lol

Crikey... my roo is here.... gotta run before he hops off without me to the shops

[Organ Donor]

How about a snake eating a wallaby? That's like a small kangaroo for all you non-aussies.

Link (http://www.qmuseum.qld.gov.au/features/snakes/feeding.asp)

[Nodbugger]

ROFLMFAO

see this is why i love seppos

the tiny amount of news about places outside the US that makes it to their tv... and of course they believe every word of it

funnily enough we have more dingos than the US.. their a native here
and yes we have more crocodiles, but you have more alligators lol

Crikey... my roo is here.... gotta run before he hops off without me to the shops


I could say the same about your views on the US.

[sharpie]

I could say the same about your views on the US.
such as?

[jak]

They either came there wild of over time they became wild.

You know, if you actually thought for a moment about the latter half of this comment, you'd realise that you had just successfully proven yourself wrong.

No, I won't explain it to you. I'm sure the majority of people here understand though.

I can't believe this thread. I just read the entire thread. I honestly wish Nodbugger would shut the hell up so we can have a decent discussion on "The War".

But, if nothing else, this thread has given me a very entertaining 20 minutes. Cheers fellas!. :)

[haiironezumi]

If the domesticated animals become wild over time, and domesticated animals *CANNOT* survive in the wild (according to Noddy) then how do the first generation of domestic animals survive for long enough to breed? In order to do so they would have to find somewhere safe to give birth and suckle their young. According to you if the stay still for any length of time a snake will eat them.

As far as Crocodiles, that is mainly in the sparsely populated areas of northern Australia. The Crocodile Hunter? Title? You do realise that he called himself this. Australia does not have a designated Crocodile Hunter to keep us safe from the crocs!

There is a distinct difference between a *feral* animal and a *wild* animal. A feral animal is one that was a pet/farm animal but which now lives wild. A wild animal is one which is born wild.

[jak]

If the domesticated animals become wild over time, and domesticated animals *CANNOT* survive in the wil (according to Noddy) then how do the first generation of domestic animals survive for long enough to breed? In order to do so they would have to find somewhere safe to give birth and suckle their young. According to you if the stay still for any length of time a snake will eat them.

See. :)

[Scythe]

You have more Crocodiles and dingos than the US. Plus you have people whose title is Crocodile hunter.

Actually, you have people whose title is Crocodile Hunter. I don't know about anybody else, but i'd never heard of him till long after he became famous in the U.S. We certainly don't want him.

[Nodbugger]

If the domesticated animals become wild over time, and domesticated animals *CANNOT* survive in the wild (according to Noddy) then how do the first generation of domestic animals survive for long enough to breed? In order to do so they would have to find somewhere safe to give birth and suckle their young. According to you if the stay still for any length of time a snake will eat them.

As far as Crocodiles, that is mainly in the sparsely populated areas of northern Australia. The Crocodile Hunter? Title? You do realise that he called himself this. Australia does not have a designated Crocodile Hunter to keep us safe from the crocs!

There is a distinct difference between a *feral* animal and a *wild* animal. A feral animal is one that was a pet/farm animal but which now lives wild. A wild animal is one which is born wild.


IF YOU STUPID COCK SUCKERS WOULD READ THINGS ONCE AND A WHILE I WOULDN'T NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS.

Your house cat is released. It stays in your neighbor hood because that is what it knows. It finds another cat and has babies. Now you have a bunch more cats. They are still in a city or urban area that they feel safe in. The populations increase over time and the cats slowly become less domesticated as more and more babies are created. As more are created they are forced to migrate to other areas and slowly learn new things.

You people are completely retarded.

[Nodbugger]

See. :)


The 50th Generation of a domesticated animal that was abandoned is no longer domesticated. Fucking idiot.

[and3w]

WWWAAAAAhhahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaa

He's on my 'ignore' list so I can't even read what he says but my first response is still the same :-)
Come back Nobdugger, we need you in these trying times

[darns]

The father is a MP that destroys weapons depot for a living and guards prisoners at the same time. The mother is a nuclear scientist. The son is a zoologist, a biologist, a radar scientist, tsunami researcher, an inventor, an army wannabe, a weapons specialist, a politician, historian and a major fucktard.

So who is the clown in the family?

[Canalien]

IF YOU STUPID COCK SUCKERS WOULD READ THINGS ONCE AND A WHILE I WOULDN'T NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS.

Your house cat is released. It stays in your neighbor hood because that is what it knows. It finds another cat and has babies. Now you have a bunch more cats. They are still in a city or urban area that they feel safe in. The populations increase over time and the cats slowly become less domesticated as more and more babies are created. As more are created they are forced to migrate to other areas and slowly learn new things.

You people are completely retarded.

Sorry Noddy, you just don't understand the geogrpahy of Australia, especially rural Australia. Towns aren't set as dense together as in the states. The closest city from where I live is over an hour away. That's fairly common. When cats go feral, they go bush.
Sorry, end of story.

[Nodbugger]

Sorry Noddy, you just don't understand the geogrpahy of Australia, especially rural Australia. Towns aren't set as dense together as in the states. The closest city from where I live is over an hour away. That's fairly common. When cats go feral, they go bush.
Sorry, end of story.

Do you put tracking collars on these cats or something?

[jak]

The 50th Generation of a domesticated animal that was abandoned is no longer domesticated. Fucking idiot.


Wrong.

You shoud live in Western Australia. Its that place thats almost 3 times bigger than Texas without the population. Many "domesticated" cats have turned stray then feral. The country areas have many feral cats that live completely in the bush *away* from towns and settlements. I travel to many remote mine sites and have seen them.

In fact just 2 weeks ago I flew to a town called Kalgoorlie (gold mining town, large, one hour flight from Perth). I then drove 4 hours north east to a nickel mine at Mount Keith. Who would have thought - saw me some feral cats on the side of the road checking out the road kill (kangaroos). Nearest town - over 100 kilometres.

[Nodbugger]

Wrong.

You shoud live in Western Australia. Its that place thats almost 3 times bigger than Texas without the population. Many "domesticated" cats have turned stray then feral. The country areas have many feral cats that live completely in the bush *away* from towns and settlements. I travel to many remote mine sites and have seen them.

In fact just 2 weeks ago I flew to a town called Kalgoorlie (gold mining town, large, one hour flight from Perth). I then drove 4 hours north east to a nickel mine at Mount Keith. Who would have thought - saw me some feral cats on the side of the road checking out the road kill (kangaroos). Nearest town - over 100 kilometres.


No it is not wrong, those domestic cats that turned feral were probably in a group or they formed a group. They were taught so they learned quicker.

If you took two domesticated cats, put them on an island with no other species of cat. They would die.

[Up_All_Night]

Do you put tracking collars on these cats or something?
what radio controlled collars for cats? who on earth does that? U micro chip them if u want them identified if they are found when lost, but tracking collars? "Your dog wants GPS"
people ditch unwanted pets in the bush, not realising the bad affect itll have on the native animals.


If you took two domesticated cats, put them on an island with no other species of cat. They would die.

cats are not pack animals like dogs noddy.
As long as there are species of animals the cats can catch and eat, no major predators, there's a high chance they will be fine and have a normal life span. Probably Have sex and put more cats on the island.



the point is, i could go take a neighbors cat, drive out into a national park, drop it off, and chances are it survive. there are plenty of small mamals around here in aus. Devoid of large predators and an abundence of what they van eat, itll be fine. you've failed to grasp the issues here.
The reason there's thriving feral cats in aus, is because of the amounts of small bird and mamals, in the cities and out of the citys.
why are you even arguing with this? Sources proving you wrong have been posted, you've supplied nothing to back up your claim, so shut the fuck up about it.

but if domestic cats cant survive, then how come there's heaps of feral cats in australia forests and bushland and whatever away from people?

[ersatz]

wow, now these cats are forming societies. bizarre.

[Nodbugger]

what radio controlled collars for cats? who on earth does that? U micro chip them if u want them identified if they are found when lost, but tracking collars? "Your dog wants GPS"
people ditch unwanted pets in the bush, not realising the bad affect itll have on the native animals.



cats are not pack animals like dogs noddy.
As long as there are species of animals the cats can catch and eat, no major predators, there's a high chance they will be fine and have a normal life span. Probably Have sex and put more cats on the island.



the point is, i could go take a neighbors cat, drive out into a national park, drop it off, and chances are it survive. there are plenty of small mamals around here in aus. Devoid of large predators and an abundence of what they van eat, itll be fine. you've failed to grasp the issues here.
The reason there's thriving feral cats in aus, is because of the amounts of small bird and mamals, in the cities and out of the citys.
why are you even arguing with this? Sources proving you wrong have been posted, you've supplied nothing to back up your claim, so shut the fuck up about it.

but if domestic cats cant survive, then how come there's heaps of feral cats in australia forests and bushland and whatever away from people?


No you are wrong. Stop posting all ready.

[Juice Biscuit]

Hey, who remembers when this thread was about shooting dogs, :), huh.... anyone.....




I'll get you for this Hogan


Hey fellas, if a guy in the street told you that the sky was red, would you stand there and argue with him? ;)

[Up_All_Night]

how am i wrong noddy?

have i imagined all the wild cats that live in the bush in australia away from humans?