For God's sake, if no one else will post it I will!

[kleph]

FORT HOOD, Texas — Defense lawyers sought leniency for Pfc. Lynndie England at a hearing Tuesday to determine her punishment in the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, with a psychologist testifying that the reservist was oxygen-deprived at birth, speech impaired and had trouble learning to read.

West Virginia school psychologist Dr. Thomas Denne the first defense witness said England's learning disabilities were identified when she was a kindergartner and though she made progress in school, she continued needing special help.

A military jury of five men and one woman was seated earlier Tuesday to make a sentencing recommendation for England, 22, who pleaded guilty Monday to seven counts of mistreating prisoners.

England accepted responsibility for the smiling, thumbs-up poses she struck for photographs taken at Abu Ghraib that made her the face of the prisoner abuse scandal.

The charges carry up to 11 years in prison. Prosecutors and the defense reached an agreement that caps the sentence at a lesser punishment; the length was not released. She will get the lesser of the military jury's sentence or the term agreed on in the plea bargain.

Associated Press (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=725490)

[Merudo]

You have got to be shitting me.


Why can't she just take responsibility for her own actions?

[Merudo]

don't ask me man. i'm just baiting nodbugger.
Oh, I know THAT... :D


Was more of a general statement than anything. This kind of thing is just annoying.

Maybe the next time I get a speeding fine I can blame it on possible oxygen deprivation for a moment when I was born, causing a temporary lapse of concentration when driving past the speed camera? ;)

[dwarfthrower]

For crying out loud... she pointed at some dude's wang. Why that would even raise an eyebrow let alone have a bunch of pantywaists calling for her blood is beyond me.

[Merudo]

For crying out loud... she pointed at some dude's wang. Why that would even raise an eyebrow let alone have a bunch of pantywaists calling for her blood is beyond me.
I won't even get into whether I think the fuss they're making over all this is justified or not... I'm just saying that it's rediculous to find some thing and blame her actions on it like this

the reservist was oxygen-deprived at birth, speech impaired and had trouble learning to read.

[dwarfthrower]

Yeah, I agree with you... just trying to stir up some debate.

Did she know right from wrong should be the only question. I was oxygen deprived at birth too... 13 minutes with my umbilical cord wrapped around my neck... doesn't mean I don't have the capacity to differentiate between right and wrong.

[Merudo]

Yeah, I agree with you... just trying to stir up some debate.

Did she know right from wrong should be the only question. I was oxygen deprived at birth too... 13 minutes with my umbilical cord wrapped around my neck... doesn't mean I don't have the capacity to differentiate between right and wrong.
you almost stirred up some debate :D

I was about to post about how I thought that associating yourself with the "abuse" that allegedly occured means you should be punished too... but then I thought wait a second.... you're right

She's just in the photo doing a thumbs up... So while she obviously didnt mind that they were stripped them down naked and having them stand there, i doubt that requires a prison sentence of (30 months? cant remember)


Maybe it was my fear of entering a debate with you, but you changed my mind on her punishment :P

[Nodbugger]

You have got to be shitting me.


Why can't she just take responsibility for her own actions?

A military jury of five men and one woman was seated earlier Tuesday to make a sentencing recommendation for England, 22, who pleaded guilty Monday to seven counts of mistreating prisoners.

England accepted responsibility for the smiling, thumbs-up poses she struck for photographs taken at Abu Ghraib that made her the face of the prisoner abuse scandal.

You couldn't even read the parts posted.

[Juice Biscuit]

She's just in the photo doing a thumbs up... So while she obviously didnt mind that they were stripped them down naked and having them stand there, i doubt that requires a prison sentence of (30 months? cant remember)





All he did was slit his daughters throat, but she deserved it cause she didn't want to marry the man that her father had spent so much time selecting for her.

[Merudo]

So she pleaded guilty.

Yes, she's saying he did whatever she pleaded guilty to.

BUT Nodfuckwit, the plot thickens here, the parts where you decided to ignore -



FORT HOOD, Texas — Defense lawyers sought leniency for Pfc. Lynndie England at a hearing Tuesday to determine her punishment in the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, with a psychologist testifying that the reservist was oxygen-deprived at birth, speech impaired and had trouble learning to read.

West Virginia school psychologist Dr. Thomas Denne the first defense witness said England's learning disabilities were identified when she was a kindergartner and though she made progress in school, she continued needing special help.





She's clearly trying to use "learning disabilities" and the fact that she was "oxygen deprived" at birth to minimise her sentence.

In a situation like this, where you have photographic evidence, would it be better to fight it into the ground, only to be found guilty and then get the maximum penalty for the charges (ELEVEN YEARS) Or plead guilty on a plea bargain, and then appeal THAT sentence claiming that you missed a few breaths when you were born and THATS THE REASON WHY YOU DID WHAT YOU DID?


Do you understand now?

God-fucking-damnit....

I hope you're the only person who didn't get what i meant from my post.

[Directed]

You couldn't even read the parts posted.

All I know is that Noddy finally pwned someone. :pir8dan:

[Merudo]

All I know is that Noddy finally pwned someone. :pir8dan:
Look at the situation she was in... with the media furore over prisoner abuse, she took the option which would give her the most minimal sentence possible.

Whether or not she's 'taking responsibility for her actions' is debatable.


I don't think he "pwnd" me.

[Nodbugger]

So she pleaded guilty.

Yes, she's saying he did whatever she pleaded guilty to.

BUT Nodfuckwit, the plot thickens here, the parts where you decided to ignore -







She's clearly trying to use "learning disabilities" and the fact that she was "oxygen deprived" at birth to minimise her sentence.

In a situation like this, where you have photographic evidence, would it be better to fight it into the ground, only to be found guilty and then get the maximum penalty for the charges (ELEVEN YEARS) Or plead guilty on a plea bargain, and then appeal THAT sentence claiming that you missed a few breaths when you were born and THATS THE REASON WHY YOU DID WHAT YOU DID?


Do you understand now?

God-fucking-damnit....

I hope you're the only person who didn't get what i meant from my post.



She still plead guilty and accepts responsibility. I don't know how much clearer I could make it.

[Merudo]

whatever :) you obviously don't get what i mean

[Hippy Vindalou]

I think its sadder that they only decided to bring up her mental problems after she had been given a gun, shipped over seas and given a position where she is reponsible for looking after other people.

Does the army often recruit from the special ed schools?
"Hey Johnboy, lets give all these retards lethal weapons and send 'em into another country to kill shit! Hell if something goes wrong, they're retards man! they cant be held responsible for nuthin hur hur hur!"

If her disabilities mean she has diminshed responsibilites for her actions the who was the fuckwit that gave her a gun?

[dozer]

well nodbugger didnt make the cut, so......

[Nodbugger]

I think its sadder that they only decided to bring up her mental problems after she had been given a gun, shipped over seas and given a position where she is reponsible for looking after other people.

Does the army often recruit from the special ed schools?
"Hey Johnboy, lets give all these retards lethal weapons and send 'em into another country to kill shit! Hell if something goes wrong, they're retards man! they cant be held responsible for nuthin hur hur hur!"

If her disabilities mean she has diminshed responsibilites for her actions the who was the fuckwit that gave her a gun?

She had to have passed her ASVAB test.

[moldy bread]

She had to have passed her ASVAB test.
You're full of shit. The ASVAB (Articulated Searching Vesperial Anus Bumtrap) has got NOTHING to do with it.

Haven't you seen Saving Private Ryan and Black Hawk Down??? (Vietnam War and World War 1 respectively). The ASVAB's was deployed for nothing more than search and destroy missions on renegade cavities.

HA HA HA. And you think you know everything because you talked to someone who knew someone who almost got there.

[rayjayjohnson]

my sarcasm detector is in the shop. vietnam war and ww1?

[Mr Bigglesworth]

FORT HOOD, Texas — Defense lawyers sought leniency for Pfc. Lynndie England at a hearing Tuesday to determine her punishment in the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, with a psychologist testifying that the reservist was oxygen-deprived at birth, speech impaired and had trouble learning to read.


Then what the hell was she doing in the army then? Lets see, a person who is potentially brain-damaged, being licenced to carry automatic weapons.

If they pardon her, then convict her military assessor. Sounds like the US Army is getting very desperate indeed.