Encouraging suicide on the Internet

[Chocoholic]

Is the Australian government looking at introducing laws that will enable people who encourage suicide on the Internet to be prosecuted?

everything constructive i was going to say has already been said, so i'll move into the destructive:

end yourself.

If I really did hear this and wasn’t dreaming then it could have some implications for zgeek.


Sorry Cray, I didn't want to quote myself.

[Directed]

Go kill yourself chocoholic.

(actually I am only kidding. I like you.)

Everyone else: Go kill yourselves. And do it quickly.

[Pirate]

Yeah Die you fuckers!

I think this law is stupid. How the hell are they going to enforce it?

[thingy]

Yeah Die you fuckers!

I think this law is stupid. How the hell are they going to enforce it?
With play dough.

[Sagacious]

There is a thin line between encouraging and aiding and abetting suicide the latter of which is illegal (in Queensland at least). Given the intervening medium of the intarwebnet it would seem difficult to pin an aiding and abetting charge on cray or direced.

[lostreality]

How will you commit suicide?!

http://www.zenhex.com/quiz.php?id=3277


Your Results:
ODing


meh.

[tikdoph]

How the fuck else are we expected to clean up the gene pool?

People should be praised for performing this valuable public service, not punished.

[Space Cowboy]

Lets deny all responsibility and put the blame on someone else again.......

[Directed]

Space Cowboy, if I kill myself, its your fault.

[lostreality]

zgeek public announcement:

http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~amacdona/suicide.gif

[Space Cowboy]

Space Cowboy, if I kill myself, its your fault.

Everything's my fault directed, didn't you know that yet?

[Sagacious]

I'm the responsible one in my relationship.

Anything goes wrong I'm responsible!

[dwarfthrower]

I think encouraging suicide is to be encouraged regardless of the medium one chooses.

[Sagacious]

I think encouraging suicide is to be encouraged regardless of the medium one chooses.
do you mean medium of encouragement or mechanism of suicide?

[dwarfthrower]

I meant medium of encouragement... but I'm not of the opinion that we should in any way restrict the options available to those wishing to "self-cleanse" the gene pool.

[Sagacious]

I meant medium of encouragement... but I'm not of the opinion that we should in any way restrict the options available to those wishing to "self-cleanse" the gene pool.
So you are of the considered opinion that the gene pool needs a good dose of chlorine before it is fit to swim in again?

[durus]

i would definately feel encouraged if more people were to commit suicide.

[dwarfthrower]

So you are of the considered opinion that the gene pool needs a good dose of chlorine before it is fit to swim in again?

I'm a classical Darwinist... without the altruistic meddling of do-gooders, those who had a proclivity for taking their own lives would do so rapidly, thus - in most cases - failing to pass their proclivities onto the next generation. Over time suicide rates go down.... Isn't that what we all want in the end?

[locust]

The social work industry has a vested industry in maintaining the number of suicidal-but-not-suiciding people. Non-suicidal people don't pay for counselling, nor do suicidal people who've become dead people.

What a rort.

[tikdoph]

So you are of the considered opinion that the gene pool needs a good dose of chlorine before it is fit to swim in again?
I'd also let it boil for a few hours, just to be sure. :D

[gooey]

The social work industry has a vested industry in maintaining the number of suicidal-but-not-suiciding people. Non-suicidal people don't pay for counselling, nor do suicidal people who've become dead people.

What a rort.


damn those dead people not paying for counselling and what not! :D

[DrDivad]

That quiz link..

I wonder if anyone will moron my passing!

[amj]

I'm a classical Darwinist... without the altruistic meddling of do-gooders, those who had a proclivity for taking their own lives would do so rapidly, thus - in most cases - failing to pass their proclivities onto the next generation. Over time suicide rates go down.... Isn't that what we all want in the end?


I'm intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Aurelius]

As stated in other forums, encouraging and/or instructing someone to commit an offence is covered by the laws of incitement.
So if the act of suicide were illegal in the jurisdiction where you were, then telling someone to, or how to, do it is illegal.
Which presents the interesting scenario that if you tell someone how to do something, and they do, you may be charged, and not them. (They being dead and all)

[Arcane1]

As stated in other forums, encouraging and/or instructing someone to commit an offence is covered by the laws of incitement.
So if the act of suicide were illegal in the jurisdiction where you were, then telling someone to, or how to, do it is illegal.
Which presents the interesting scenario that if you tell someone how to do something, and they do, you may be charged, and not them. (They being dead and all)
So, that means that the time I sent someone a package containing a length of rope, a booklet on tying a noose, and directions to a large tree was illegal?

Damn. They didn't get the hint anyway.

I sent a building inspector a nice letter once, and at the bottom was a quarter taped to the page and the comment: "This is my contribution towards your getting a clue". :gun:

[Aurelius]

So if the clue he got was an illegal one, there may be grounds for you to be charged :P

[Scythe]

I'm a classical Darwinist... without the altruistic meddling of do-gooders, those who had a proclivity for taking their own lives would do so rapidly, thus - in most cases - failing to pass their proclivities onto the next generation. Over time suicide rates go down.... Isn't that what we all want in the end?

Of course, that's only the case if suicide is biologically induced, not societally induced. Some depressive suicides are as a result of biological causes in the chemical makeup of the brain, but in many cases it is caused by various societal and cultural factors, not neurochemistry, although there is evidence to suggest that long-term depression can cause permanent or semi-permanent changes in the brain's chemistry, leading to a susceptiblity to depression in the future. I suppose you could weed out a tendency to suicide over a long-enough period by eliminating a susceptibility to neurochemically-induced depression in the human genome, but I doubt it would work very well, given the sheer number of human beings in the world.

Not to mention that it would lead to hordes of chronically happy poeple, and none of us wants that. :boohoo:

[Cassa]

Not to mention that it would lead to hordes of chronically happy poeple, and none of us wants that. :boohoo:


They just need to buy more things, then they'll be fine. Right?

[Marshall77]

I was always told you should encourage people with things they want to do.

[Bostonmess]

Some people just need a few tablets to make them happy again though.

[King_Crud]

if you kill yourself under a train in Japan your family gets billed for the cleanup.

[Bostonmess]

If it was me, my aunty Mavis would slap on the marigolds, go down there with a bucket of hot soapy water, get on her hands and knees in her big flowery dress, hair with curlers in and do it for nothing.

[Sagacious]

Selective Seratonin Reuptake Iinhibitors (SSRI's) are a huge answer much of the time but as Denis Leary says if you gotta go try to remember to get your whole head in front of the shotgun barrel that way there's less likelihood of you fucking that up as well.










That's not legal advice that's just a little practical advice.

[The Cunt]

http://img110.imagevenue.com/loc116/th_ce2_4.jpg (http://img110.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc116&image=ce2_4.jpg)Web suicide laws passed

People who use the internet to incite others to commit suicide or teach them how to kill themselves face fines of up to $550,000 under tough new laws.

Using the internet to counsel or incite others to commit suicide or to promote and provide instruction on ways to do it has been outlawed but the new laws were not designed to stifle debate about euthanasia, Justice Minister Chris Ellison said.

"These offences are designed to protect the young and the vulnerable, those at greatest risk of suicide, from people who use the internet with destructive intent to counsel or incite others to kill themselves," Senator Ellison said in a statement. Individuals convicted of such offences face a fine of up to $110,000, while corporations face a fine of up to $550,000.

Use of the internet to organise suicide pacts emerged as a grim problem for Japan last year, with dozens of Japanese killing themselves in internet-linked group suicides.

Helping someone to commit suicide is illegal in Australia but there has been a long-simmering debate about euthanasia.

Dr Philip Nitschke shot to fame in 1997 when he helped four people die in the Northern Territory, where the practice was briefly legal before the federal Government stepped in to overturn Territory laws.

Source (http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,15716555%5E15342%5E%5Enbv%5E15306-15318,00.html)

[Juice Biscuit]

People who use the internet to incite others to commit suicide or teach them how to kill themselves face fines of up to $550,000 under tough new laws.


http://forums.zgeek.com/showpost.php?p=668505&postcount=1



Using the internet to counsel or incite others to commit suicide or to promote and provide instruction on ways to do it

http://forums.zgeek.com/showpost.php?p=669001&postcount=8



"These offences are designed to protect the young and the vulnerable, those at greatest risk of suicide, from people who use the internet with destructive intent to counsel or incite others to kill themselves,"

http://forums.zgeek.com/showpost.php?p=668505&postcount=1


Hope you can pick up soap using your toes hazza.

http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/209172.gif

[The Cunt]

http://forums.zgeek.com/showpost.php?p=668505&postcount=1




http://forums.zgeek.com/showpost.php?p=669001&postcount=8




http://forums.zgeek.com/showpost.php?p=668505&postcount=1


Hope you can pick up soap using your toes hazza.

http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/209172.gif

I think for it to be taken seriously you would have to kill yourself to add some weight to the matter.

If you do can I inherit your large collection of animated gif's?

[Grumblefish]

Uhgjilasjfl;dsa kills himself, and Hazza goes to jail.

I'm not seeing the down side here.

[dwarfthrower]

Uhgjilasjfl;dsa kills himself, and Hazza goes to jail.

I'm not seeing the down side here.
Hazza eventually gets out?

[Colonel Kurtz]

Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump Jump

[Merudo]

Go kill yourself chocoholic.

(actually I am only kidding. I like you.)

Everyone else: Go kill yourselves. And do it quickly.
what about me..



.... it isnt fair



*breaks out into song*

[StAUG]

You can all get fucked.

[Up_All_Night]

So when someone commits suicide, is it standard proceedure to go through their computer and internet history, reading chat history if they have it saved?

[Arcane1]

I think everyone should have the right to commit suicide once. I encourage everyone to give it a try.

[Seeker]

All the help you need.

[and3w]

You can all get fucked.

If we could it would probably remove the need for assissted suicide & this thread completely! :D

[durus]

If Hazza goes to jail, won't he have more time for the internet?

[Aardvark]

Not with all the buttsex he'll be getting.

Honestly, he'll be bent over with a sign on his back that says "Enter Here"

[King_Crud]

Not with all the buttsex he'll be getting.

Honestly, he'll be bent over with a sign on his back that says "Enter Here"
he already is

[Lord Mephisto]

#include <stdio.h>

main()
{
for(;;)
{
printf ("Goodbye World!\n");
}
}

[locust]

Eh?


/* link with /SUBSYSTEM:CONSOLE */

#include <windows.h>

const char msg[] = "Goodbye world!";

int main(int /*argc*/, char** /*argv*/)
{
DWORD written;
HANDLE h = GetStdHandle(STD_OUTPUT_HANDLE);

do {
WriteFile(h, msg, sizeof(msg)-1, &written, NULL);
} while(1);

return 0; /* will never happen */
}