Bush: Amnesty report 'absurd'

[Scythe]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush called a human rights report "absurd" for criticizing the United States' detention of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and said Tuesday the allegations were made by "people who hate America."

"It's absurd. It's an absurd allegation. The United States is a country that promotes freedom around the world," Bush said of the Amnesty International report that compared Guantanamo to a Soviet-era gulag.

In a Rose Garden news conference, Bush defiantly stood by his domestic policy agenda while defending his actions abroad. With the death toll climbing daily in Iraq, he said that nation's fledging government is "plenty capable" of defeating terrorists whose attacks on Iraqi civilians and U.S. soldiers have intensified.

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/31/bush.newsconference.ap/index.html)

[Juice Biscuit]

Isn't Amnesty International Latin for "We hate america and hope you all burn the pits of hell"

[btwong]

Typical Bush.

i would say the US the Soviet-era gulag, but is now passing it and heading quickly for a Nazi/1984 type world!

Can Nodbugger and all the septics please say together:
"Big Brother Emperor Bush"

[Scythe]

I found this particularly ironic:

The president said he has questioned whether the case shows a backsliding away from the rule of law and democracy in Russia and said it will "be interesting to see" how Khodorkovsky's expected appeal is handled by the government.

"Here, you're innocent until proven guilty and it appeared to us, at least people in my administration, that it looked like he had been judged guilty prior to having a fair trial," Bush said. "We're watching the ongoing case."

[Up_All_Night]

why doesnt bush instead of spouting that, "they hate america" childish crap just go, hey look here's the camps, here's the records, everything here is perfectly fine you're wrong.

Oh wait, i know why he wouldnt do that...

[Nodbugger]

Typical Bush.

i would say the US the Soviet-era gulag, but is now passing it and heading quickly for a Nazi/1984 type world!

Can Nodbugger and all the septics please say together:
"Big Brother Emperor Bush"


Except we are not forcing them to make soviet era tanks, starving them, beating them, and killing them.

They are by American standards in a good prison. And American standards are very high when it comes to prisons.

[Up_All_Night]

hahahaha gold

[and3w]

ahahahahaha...oh man, you get funnier by the post! American standards are very high when it comes to prisons.
Oh man, killer! They are great if you enjoy being shanked or buggered. They also seem to be disproportionately full of young black men..I guess it is because they are so nice, as compared to the normal living standards of a US black man.
Fucking moaning muslim cunts, imagine, not wanting to live in an open cage, in Cuba, with no rights under the Geneva Convention, when you have been convicted of nothing and have no right to a fair trial..I mean, how could anyone not want that??

[Bostonmess]

I'm sure Noddy's looking at it from the buggery angle.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

They are by American standards in a good prison. And American standards are very high when it comes to prisons.

Do you really think so?

Have a read of a page from the Red Cross (http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/5QRC5V?OpenDocument&View=defaultBody&style=custo_print). They dont seem to think so.

Heres (http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/5YNLEV) another interesting article titled International Humanitarian Law and Terrorism - Q and A

The Red Cross dont seem to think so.

[Nodbugger]

Do you really think so?

Have a read of a page from the Red Cross (http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/5QRC5V?OpenDocument&View=defaultBody&style=custo_print). They dont seem to think so.

Heres (http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/5YNLEV) another interesting article titled International Humanitarian Law and Terrorism - Q and A

The Red Cross dont seem to think so.

That is because those people are crazy.


Prisons are not supposed to be happy places, and when you hear what these people have done you will think their life is too nice

[Nodbugger]

ahahahahaha...oh man, you get funnier by the post!
Oh man, killer! They are great if you enjoy being shanked or buggered. They also seem to be disproportionately full of young black men..I guess it is because they are so nice, as compared to the normal living standards of a US black man.
Fucking moaning muslim cunts, imagine, not wanting to live in an open cage, in Cuba, with no rights under the Geneva Convention, when you have been convicted of nothing and have no right to a fair trial..I mean, how could anyone not want that??

What the fuck are you smoking? More black males in prison only tells me that more black males commit crime. Same as there are more white Nascar fans. Believe it or not people are not all the same, and the races are different.

As for the Muslim comment, you know that is bullshit. No matter what the fuck you want to classify them as we are doing what we have to do. We have not broken a single rule. We don't need to convict them of anything yet, we don't need to release them. We don't need to do any of that shit. They are all terrorists. You and they know it. so shut the fuck up already.

[Scythe]

Prisons are not supposed to be happy places, and when you hear what these people have done you will think their life is too nice

For the most part we will never hear what they have supposedly done, because the trials are closed to the media on account of their "sensitive nature".


The president said he has questioned whether the case shows a backsliding away from the rule of law and democracy in Russia and said it will "be interesting to see" how Khodorkovsky's expected appeal is handled by the government.

"Here, you're innocent until proven guilty and it appeared to us, at least people in my administration, that it looked like he had been judged guilty prior to having a fair trial," Bush said. "We're watching the ongoing case."
We don't need to convict them of anything yet, we don't need to release them. We don't need to do any of that shit. They are all terrorists. You and they know it. so shut the fuck up already.

Hmm.

[berserk]

Prisons are not supposed to be happy places, and when you hear what these people have done you will think their life is too nice
What have they done? From what I know, all their alleged evildoing are official secrets? As it is, none of them have been tried before the US military kangaroo court so they are guilty of nothing.

[Nodbugger]

What have they done? From what I know, all their alleged evildoing are official secrets? As it is, none of them have been tried before the US military kangaroo court so they are guilty of nothing.


You don't need to have a conviction to be guilty.

If these guys didn't do anything do you think the military would have wasted time capturing them, transporting them, interrogating them, shipping them to Cuba, building them a prison. interrogating them some more , and keep them fed and clothed and in a decent living environment for the last couple years?

[and3w]

And the Lord said, in a voice of Iron.."NODBUGGER! Thine name is NAIVETE!" and so it was, and so he was worshipped, and so the graven image of the United States Judicial System was smashed from underneath the liberal scum!
And the Ass saw tha Angel and it was good, and the Angel saw the Ass and said "NODBUGGER! Get thee behind me, for so you shall see the truth, pouring from my fundament" And Nodbugger did agree, and lapped up the ass-shit and he tasted it as good, and LOL! it was good, and it bore the symbol "Bush" and none knew what it meant, apart from the nodbugger who spake thus: "This is the word of thine Lord, and the truth shall so be spoken, from the ass of an ass".

2nd book of neo-conservatism, Chapter 6, verse 66
Amen, so endeth the law according to an ass-hole!

[Bostonmess]

You don't need to have a conviction to be guilty.

If these guys didn't do anything do you think the military would have wasted time capturing them, transporting them, interrogating them, shipping them to Cuba, building them a prison. interrogating them some more , and keep them fed and clothed and in a decent living environment for the last couple years?

Then letting some of 'em go?

If they're all guilty where's the sense in that then?

[Mr Bigglesworth]

You don't need to have a conviction to be guilty.

If these guys didn't do anything do you think the military would have wasted time capturing them, transporting them, interrogating them, shipping them to Cuba, building them a prison. interrogating them some more , and keep them fed and clothed and in a decent living environment for the last couple years?

Nodbugger lets talk about specifica cases: Take Mamdouh Habib (http://www.foreignminister.gov.au/releases/2005/joint_ruddock_habid_110105.html), the Australian freed from Guantanamo Bay earlier this year. He was held, without charge, for over 2 years, until one day, the US decided that he had done nothing wrong and let him go home. No apology, no compensation, nothing. Once he got home, the Australian government, with the US' Governments dick so rammed up its arse its not funny, confiscated his passport due to ASIO citing him as a "security risk", once again citing no compelling reason. This man is a family man, he has a young child who has not known his father for over half his life, and he has a wife who would of worried about him day and night and didnt speak to him for the duration of the time he was at Guantanamo Bay. He has absolutely no dignity left, and to top it off, he was never charged with any crime, has always maintained that he never willingly went to Afghanistan, certainly that he never took part in anything even vaguely terrorist-related, and he was forcibly abducted, globetrotted and tortured along the way, and finally caged in Guantanamo bay. Habib claims he was tortured (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200502/s1304510.htm) and according to medical specialists he is telling the truth.

Now let me ask you some questions, how many innocent men does the US need to hold without charge until it feels more secure? How many more militants and terrorists will this tactic create? If my father was being held at Guantanamo Bay, and I knew he had done nothing wrong, you can bet that I would take some very strong action against those holding him, and im not Islamic fundamentalist.

The western democracies believe(d) in the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, so obtaining a conviction is irrelevant to the status of a person now. I can understand the concept of remanding a dangerous person in custody, but holding someone for 3 years without charge is ridiculous and a human rights violation unheard of since Stalinist Russia. And if the US has one innocent man per 10 guilty men, do you consider such a ratio to be acceptible? Maybe one innocent compared to five guilty. Where do you draw the line??

You see, Nodbugger, the Red Cross is right after all.

[Nodbugger]

They never said he didn't do anything, they said there was not enough evidence to convict him.

Big difference. People don't just go to Afghanistan during a war.

[Nodbugger]

you know, i was thinking about becoming your nemesis and dedicating myself to showing everyone how your pea brained little worldview is so malajusted and fucked up it isn't even worth laughing at.

then i realized that a real nemesis needs to be your intellectual equal. someone who counters your every strategem and so evenly matches you that they foil the whole of your designs.

in that case, i have a piece of mouldy bread behind my refrigerator that is more than qualified for the job.


You guys know you are wrong, just give it up.

This is already out of the news because it means nothing, and their report was crap.

Haven;t you guys noticed that with every article you post about crap like this there is either a follow up saying it was wrong or no follow up at all.

It is just some dumbasses making crap up in an attempt to get retards like you worked up about things that never happened.

[asskickergod]

you know, i was thinking about becoming your nemesis and dedicating myself to showing everyone how your pea brained little worldview is so malajusted and fucked up it isn't even worth laughing at.

then i realized that a real nemesis needs to be your intellectual equal. someone who counters your every strategem and so evenly matches you that they foil the whole of your designs.

in that case, i have a piece of mouldy bread behind my refrigerator that is more than qualified for the job.

I was thinking about waging an all out assault on Nodbugger to the point that he'd leave the site and never return, but there's just too many people that debate in the war forum that deserve Nodbugger.

Really, when you think about it, the moldy bread was already here waiting for Nodbugger before he arrived.

[George W Bush]

Ive been seeing here on this internets screen theres alot of you critiszing me over me critasizing the Aminsanity Introductionary report. Well, Id be willing to bet my bottom dollar at the .......... the bottom of .... the ..... of the barrel, that none of you all have read it. I have read it and my Secretary of Defence, Donald Rumplestilskins helped me out with the bigger werds. All I can say is that it was abserd. Ive long suspeted that Aviary Introspectional is funding Al Kayda. Ive read the reports from the CIA about how Arobics Inpombatable is funding terrorism, Donald Rumplemints himself helped me with the bigger words. They think that they can pull one over on the greatest nation on the ..... the planet we're living on. Well, fool me once ................. ye can't ..... can't make him drink.

[amj]

You don't need to have a conviction to be guilty.

If these guys didn't do anything do you think the military would have wasted time capturing them, transporting them, interrogating them, shipping them to Cuba, building them a prison. interrogating them some more , and keep them fed and clothed and in a decent living environment for the last couple years?


Words fail me. Especially when it comes to the areas in bold.

[Scythe]

It is just some dumbasses making crap up in an attempt to get retards like you worked up about things that never happened.

Dumbasses like CNN and the ABC?

Yes, those damn professional journalists reporting direct quotes from world leaders. How dare they. :rolleyes:

[The Cunt]

You don't need to have a conviction to be guilty.

If these guys didn't do anything do you think the military would have wasted time capturing them, transporting them, interrogating them, shipping them to Cuba, building them a prison. interrogating them some more , and keep them fed and clothed and in a decent living environment for the last couple years?
And then letting them go.

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that you can imprison someone for 3 and a half fucking years and then let them go with any charges.

I wonder if Mamdouh Habib (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4262095.stm) is at all bitter about his incarceration?

[Mr Bigglesworth]

They never said he didn't do anything, they said there was not enough evidence to convict him.

Then if I made the assertion that you are a right-wing terrorist, just because you support right-wing ideology, but there is not enough evidence to warrant a conviction, youre still guilty of being a terrorist just because I said so???


Big difference. People don't just go to Afghanistan during a war.

Habib maintains that he never went to Afghanistan. As further proof that he was right, he was actually arrested in Pakistan, not Afghanistan, aboard a bus with two Germans, who were released after less than two weeks without charge.

Still think he is a terrorist?

[Nodbugger]

Then if I made the assertion that you are a right-wing terrorist, just because you support right-wing ideology, but there is not enough evidence to warrant a conviction, youre still guilty of being a terrorist just because I said so???




Habib maintains that he never went to Afghanistan. As further proof that he was right, he was actually arrested in Pakistan, not Afghanistan, aboard a bus with two Germans, who were released after less than two weeks without charge.

Still think he is a terrorist?

If Pakistan arrested him and charged him with terrorism he had to have done something.

[Nodbugger]

Dumbasses like CNN and the ABC?

Yes, those damn professional journalists reporting direct quotes from world leaders. How dare they. :rolleyes:

I was talking about the Amnesty report.

Anything short of a 5 star hotel is torture to them.

[moldy bread]

If Pakistan arrested him and charged him with terrorism he had to have done something.

Pakistan is run by Arab terrorists so if they arrested someone they have to be a good Bible worshiping person who never did anything wrong.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

If Pakistan arrested him and charged him with terrorism he had to have done something.

Habib was never charged, not by the Pakistani's, the Americans, the Egyptians or by the Australians.

[GOD]

Pakistan is run by Arab terrorists so if they arrested someone they have to be a good Bible worshiping person who never did anything wrong.

Heard dat.

[The Cunt]

If Pakistan arrested him and charged him with terrorism he had to have done something.
That's logical. To a degree.

If someone is charged with murder it doesn't mean they have done something. Innocent people have been charged with murder.

Furthermore, if America released him then he mustn't have done something.

The U.S. of A. fucked up didn't it Noddy.

Comon, admit it.

Shit, it happens. People fuck up. Governments fuck up. On occasion I've been known to fuck up but I make a habit of hiding the evidence.

But there was a fuck up. Habib is released. He is therefore innocent.

[Nodbugger]

That's logical. To a degree.

If someone is charged with murder it doesn't mean they have done something. Innocent people have been charged with murder.

Furthermore, if America released him then he mustn't have done something.

The U.S. of A. fucked up didn't it Noddy.

Comon, admit it.

Shit, it happens. People fuck up. Governments fuck up. On occasion I've been known to fuck up but I make a habit of hiding the evidence.

But there was a fuck up. Habib is released. He is therefore innocent.


Like I said before, just because we released him doesn't mean he didn't do anything. Everyone knows OJ killed his girlfriend, but he wasn't convicted.

It is rather hard to gather evidence on someone who was captured at an unknown time in an unknown place in Pakistan by unknown people.

[Nodbugger]

Habib was never charged, not by the Pakistani's, the Americans, the Egyptians or by the Australians.

If they didn't charge him then they didn't arrest him, but they did arrest him so they did charge him.

[The Cunt]

It is rather hard to gather evidence on someone who was captured at an unknown time in an unknown place in Pakistan by unknown people.
But quite easy apparently to keep them locked up for over three years.

I hope he turns around and sues the fuck out of the US government.

[asskickergod]

If they didn't charge him then they didn't arrest him, but they did arrest him so they did charge him.

I recommend that you acquaint yourself with the television program "Law and Order", you may learn something.

[moldy bread]

I hope he turns around and sues the fuck out of the US government.
and then asks that he get it in payment that involves 1 hour sessions with Nodbuggers Mom. i don't care if she charges out at a rate of $5000 per fuck (and 50% loading for arse fucking) but one billion dollars is a whole lotta noddy mom lovin' i can assure you. he could hand out vouchers to afghani's, paki's and any muslim who wishes to defile themselves with the stupid bitch who gave birth to nodfucker and his weird and wonderful views of the way the world is according to george dribbler bush and his merry pack of faghat arseclowns.

[and3w]

If they didn't charge him then they didn't arrest him, but they did arrest him so they did charge him.

Definition

arrest (CATCH)
[Show phonetics]
verb [T]
(of the police) to use lawful authority to catch (someone) and take them to a place where they may be accused of a crime
Three women were arrested on prostitution charges.

arrest
[Show phonetics]
noun [C/U]
FBI agents made the arrest.
He was placed under arrest by federal marshals.

(from Cambridge Dictionary of American English)

Definition

charge (ACCUSE)
[Show phonetics]
verb [T]
to accuse (someone) of something, esp. to officially accuse (someone) of a crime
He was charged with resisting arrest.

charge
[Show phonetics]
noun [C]
They face civil and criminal charges.

(from Cambridge Dictionary of American English)

Please note. An 'arrested' person can then be 'charged' with a crime. However, a person who has been 'charged' with a crime MUST have been arrested.
You can be arrested and not charged with anything. This is the situation with the Guantanomo bay kiddies; they have been arrested but not charged. Some of them ARE now being charged, we will then see if they are guilty or not. (Actually, this isn't true! They will not be charged under the same legal system as other people in America, so we will never really know if they are guilty or not; they will not have had a fair trial.)

[Z-Man]

Except we are not forcing them to make soviet era tanks, starving them, beating them, and killing them.

They are by American standards in a good prison. And American standards are very high when it comes to prisons.


But wait they don't get cable television like other prisons do :fag:

[Z-Man]

Dumbasses like CNN and the ABC?

Yes, those damn professional journalists reporting direct quotes from world leaders. How dare they. :rolleyes:


Well come on Scythe of course they are Dumbasses. Only people as smart as Noddy know that to get true unbiased news coverage you have to listen to Fox News...

:barf: :barf:

[The Cunt]

Only people as smart as Noddy know that to get true unbiased news coverage you have to listen to Fox News...
Noddy thinks unbiased is when the source is completely biased to his point of view.

Anything less is just full of lies/shit.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

Like I said before, just because we released him doesn't mean he didn't do anything. Everyone knows OJ killed his girlfriend, but he wasn't convicted.

There is a quote from the Bible that goes something along the lines of "A house divided against itself cannot stand". So if the US cannot obtain a conviction against OJ Simpson, a US national who (allegedly) committed his crime on US soil, against US citizens, and caught by US law enforcement officials, what hope in hell do the US have in catching criminals overseas and getting a conviction?

Why dont they just pack up Guantanamo Bay and go home.


It is rather hard to gather evidence on someone who was captured at an unknown time in an unknown place in Pakistan by unknown people.

So you acknowledge that he wasnt arrested in Afghanistan. But you would think that any good law enforcement official would be competent enough to (1)arrest the right person and (2)actually find some evidence to back up the arrest.

So now we have an innocent man (Habib) who had over two years of his life taken away from him for no reason except to satisfy the paranoid ambitions of the worlds only superstate. How do you suggest we proceed with Habib? Execute him? Treat him like an Abu Graib inmate? Jail him indefinitely again? Question his family?

What would you do, Nodbugger?

[Mr Bigglesworth]

Heres some more "absurd" goings on from Guantanamo Bay. And who would have thought that it was the pinnacle of the US penitentary system:

US guards at the Guantanamo Bay detention centre kicked, threw water and splashed urine on copies of Koran.
The Pentagon has released details of five incidents in which the Koran was mishandled by US personnel at the camp, some intentional and others accidental.


And theres more:

In one instance, a guard urinated near and air vent.
The wind allegedly blew his urine through the vent, soiling one detainee and his Koran. According to the report, the guard was reprimanded and sanctioned, and the inmate was given a new uniform and Koran.
Other Korans became wet after night-shift guards had thrown balloons filled with water into a cell block, the report found.
In a third case, an interrogator reportedly apologised to a detainee after stepping on his Koran.
In a fourth incident, a soldier deliberately kicked Islam's holy book.
Finally, a prisoner found a "two-word obscenity" in English written in his copy of the Koran.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4608949.stm

[Nodbugger]

There is a quote from the Bible that goes something along the lines of "A house divided against itself cannot stand". So if the US cannot obtain a conviction against OJ Simpson, a US national who (allegedly) committed his crime on US soil, against US citizens, and caught by US law enforcement officials, what hope in hell do the US have in catching criminals overseas and getting a conviction?

Why dont they just pack up Guantanamo Bay and go home.



So you acknowledge that he wasnt arrested in Afghanistan. But you would think that any good law enforcement official would be competent enough to (1)arrest the right person and (2)actually find some evidence to back up the arrest.

So now we have an innocent man (Habib) who had over two years of his life taken away from him for no reason except to satisfy the paranoid ambitions of the worlds only superstate. How do you suggest we proceed with Habib? Execute him? Treat him like an Abu Graib inmate? Jail him indefinitely again? Question his family?

What would you do, Nodbugger?


Like I said, I really don't care. It took him 2 years for him to convince them he was innocent enough to be let go.

[Nodbugger]

Heres some more "absurd" goings on from Guantanamo Bay. And who would have thought that it was the pinnacle of the US penitentary system:

US guards at the Guantanamo Bay detention centre kicked, threw water and splashed urine on copies of Koran.
The Pentagon has released details of five incidents in which the Koran was mishandled by US personnel at the camp, some intentional and others accidental.


And theres more:

In one instance, a guard urinated near and air vent.
The wind allegedly blew his urine through the vent, soiling one detainee and his Koran. According to the report, the guard was reprimanded and sanctioned, and the inmate was given a new uniform and Koran.
Other Korans became wet after night-shift guards had thrown balloons filled with water into a cell block, the report found.
In a third case, an interrogator reportedly apologised to a detainee after stepping on his Koran.
In a fourth incident, a soldier deliberately kicked Islam's holy book.
Finally, a prisoner found a "two-word obscenity" in English written in his copy of the Koran.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4608949.stm


I like how you ignore the parts where it says there were 15 cases where detainees fucked up the Koran.

[s3raph]

I really couldn't care less what they do with the koran, its their religion, their holy book. Hell I don't really care that much what US interrogators do with it, its only a book, but I do think it would be prudent of them to be as accomodating to muslims as they possibly can be, considering that the more muslims there are that are pissed off at the US, the more muslims there will be who are joining terrorist organisations, y'know?

[moldy bread]

Like I said, I really don't care. It took him 2 years for him to convince them he was innocent enough to be let go.

You know, Noddy, I have only been hounding your every footstep for a day or two now and I already feel really bad about it... saddened even, knowing the torture my relentless jihad of justice must be causing your enfeebled little mind.

So, to make it up to ya, I am sending you a present I ordered off of Amazon.com. When I saw it I just knew it would be the perfect DVD for your collection.

You can get a peek at it here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004WLXZ/qid=1117896166/sr=8-4/ref=pd_csp_4/103-3570362-9124662?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846).

Hugs and kisses from your inexhaustable nemesis,

moldy bread

[Mr Bigglesworth]

I like how you ignore the parts where it says there were 15 cases where detainees fucked up the Koran.

The detainees conduct towards the Quran is not in question here.

The conduct of the US soldiers, as representatives of a civil and "free" society, is in question.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

Like I said, I really don't care. It took him 2 years for him to convince them he was innocent enough to be let go.

If it was your father being held illegally for two years, would you care?

If he had a constitutionally permitted legal defence team, would he had been remanded in custody for over two years?

If he had access to legal resouces, instead of being kept locked away on some tiny colony off the national mainland, could he have found his freedom sooner?

Nodbugger, its attitudes like those you just expressed that causes these conflicts and acts of terrorism in the first place. You dont care about them, they dont care about you. Who gives a fuck if a thousand or a million people die?

God help this planet if we as a race are going to survive another thousand years.

[Nodbugger]

The detainees conduct towards the Quran is not in question here.

The conduct of the US soldiers, as representatives of a civil and "free" society, is in question.


And in a free society you can take a piss on the Koran if you want to.

And if the people who supposedly care about it most do worse things, then why the hell should we follow the rules of they don't?

[Mr Bigglesworth]

And in a free society you can take a piss on the Koran if you want to.

And if the people who supposedly care about it most do worse things, then why the hell should we follow the rules of they don't?

Nodbugger, remember one thing: The US is supposed to be the morally superior power here. These alledged terrorists are supposed to be sub-human primitive barbarics. Do you think that it would make more sense to try to reason with them, make them understand that fighting a terrorist campaign against the US is wrong? Or should we just take a shit on the Quran and make them hate you even more?

We report, you decide, no spin here folks!

[moldy bread]

And in a free society you can take a piss on the Koran if you want to.

In a free society you can also yell "NIGGER" in the middle of a downtown KFC. I suggest you give it a try this afternoon.

[Up_All_Night]

anarchy, kill a cat
shoot james brady in the back
raise an army of rabid rats
beat your neighbor with a bat

anarchy burger
hold the government
anarchy burger
hold the government

anarchy, go ape shit
let them know your sick of it
write your congressman,
tell him he sucks, your only in it for the bucks

anarchy burger
hold the government
anarchy burger
hold the government

you're all potential anarchy burgers
if you want to be free
order yourself an anarchy burger
(hold the government, please)

anarchy burger
hold the government

America stands for freedom
but if you think you're free
try walking into a deli
and urinating on the cheese

anarchy burger
hold the government
anarchy burger
hold the government

say fuck in front of your mom
fuck!
and
go to school nak

- The Vandals

[Nodbugger]

In a free society you can also yell "NIGGER" in the middle of a downtown KFC. I suggest you give it a try this afternoon.


No self respecting black person would go to KFC for chicken.

[Nodbugger]

Nodbugger, remember one thing: The US is supposed to be the morally superior power here. These alledged terrorists are supposed to be sub-human primitive barbarics. Do you think that it would make more sense to try to reason with them, make them understand that fighting a terrorist campaign against the US is wrong? Or should we just take a shit on the Quran and make them hate you even more?

We report, you decide, no spin here folks!

Either way they won't change. Don't act like these people will have a change of heart if we are nice to them. We have been nice for the past 200 years.

[moldy bread]

and we worry lots about the pagan babies every sunday, too. ain't that right?

[Scythe]

Either way they won't change. Don't act like these people will have a change of heart if we are nice to them. We have been nice for the past 200 years.

Once again you seem to be confusing the self-taught American fiction of Manifest Destiny with, you know, actual reality. When you say "these people" who exactly are you talking about? For most of the past 200 years, those poeple labelled as Islamic Terrorists neither knew much about or cared about America, so I fail to see any sense in your comment.

And in a free society you can take a piss on the Koran if you want to.

And if the people who supposedly care about it most do worse things, then why the hell should we follow the rules of they don't?

In a free society people should also be free to burn the flag of their nation in protest over that nation's actions, and to marry someone of whatever gender they choose, yet oddly there seems to be an amazing correlation between supporters of the current American President and people who want Amendments to make flag burning and gay marraige illegal. Strange, yes?

And you should follow rules that they don't because that is what gives one side the right to clain that their way is superior. If you don't follow any rules, then you forfeit all claims to being on the "right side".

[Nodbugger]

Flag burning and gay marriages are different than peeing on a book.

In America, the government should not have anything to do with marriage.
They should ban Flag burning for the simple reason that it is just stupid.



Oh, and you have no fucking clue about Manifest Destiny. Manifest Destiny was to make America stretch from the Pacific to the Atlantic, that happened along time ago and most Americans don't even know what manifest destiny is. So stop bring it up you ignorant anti-America fuck.

We have been nice for the past 200 years. Only dealing with people after they fuck up. We could have solved a lot of problems if we did everything when it should have been done. Are you seriously trying to say that these people have only started hating us in the last decade or so? They have no sense of time. they still think the Crusades happened last week. And that is all it really is. Most people in the US are not Muslim, nor do we really fucking care what the hell they think. So they are just being a bunch of asshole. We have never done anything in the middle east outside of saving Kuwait and rescuing hostages. Then Sept 11th happened and we are going to pave the place over.

[Up_All_Night]

Noddy you seem to forget Israel the source for much of the hatred.
The USA support for Israel with military equipment and money, they really dont like that in the middle east.
Once again you fail to even have a grasp on the very basics.


on a side note i read something interesting the other day, the USA wont allow any funding that goes to other countries health plans, porgrams or whatever that include abortion. Well known fact yeah? Well there is one exception to this, Israel where abortions are provided free in their public health system or something. Anyways...

[Scythe]

Flag burning and gay marriages are different than peeing on a book.

In America, the government should not have anything to do with marriage.
They should ban Flag burning for the simple reason that it is just stupid.

Peeing on a Koran is pretty stupid, so why shouldn't it be illegal too? There are many things done in protest that seem pretty stupid, but that's not a legitimate argument for criminalising them.

Oh, and you have no fucking clue about Manifest Destiny. Manifest Destiny was to make America stretch from the Pacific to the Atlantic, that happened along time ago and most Americans don't even know what manifest destiny is. So stop bring it up you ignorant anti-America fuck.

*sigh*

Oh look, you're confusing a disagreement with American government and politics with hatred of the American people again. How original. I don't deny that's the definition of Manifest Destiny, what I would suggest is that the mentality behind such a presumptous belief is that America has a destiny to reach beyond its current boundaries, and to spread its ethos across the world, and that's a dangerous way of thinking. You don't have to know the name of something to subscribe to a particular way of thinking. And i'm not even going to make any comments about the consequences of Manifest Destiny to the Native Americans.

Are you seriously trying to say that these people have only started hating us in the last decade or so?

No, only in the last half-century or so, when America began to directly intervene in the Middle East through its support for Israel.

They have no sense of time. they still think the Crusades happened last week.

Probabaly because Bush, in a colossal PR bungle, actually related a war in the Muslim world to a Crusade.

We have never done anything in the middle east outside of saving Kuwait and rescuing hostages.

Well, there was the stationing American troops, including women, in a part of the world containing some of their holiest sites. Leaving aside the whole issue of women's rights in Islam, to them it's kind of the equivalent to Saddam's Republican Guard protecting the Vatican.

Then Sept 11th happened and we are going to pave the place over.

You say something like that, then you have the gall to insult other people for hating America? Grow up.

[Nodbugger]

Noddy you seem to forget Israel the source for much of the hatred.
The USA support for Israel with military equipment and money, they really dont like that in the middle east.
Once again you fail to even have a grasp on the very basics.


on a side note i read something interesting the other day, the USA wont allow any funding that goes to other countries health plans, porgrams or whatever that include abortion. Well known fact yeah? Well there is one exception to this, Israel where abortions are provided free in their public health system or something. Anyways...


Israel was given the right to exist. They were the first democracy in the area. They were attacked the second they were created. And I do not think they have been treated very fairly. They were attacked and took land. Yet they had to give it back, that makes no sense.

[Nodbugger]

Peeing on a Koran is pretty stupid, so why shouldn't it be illegal too? There are many things done in protest that seem pretty stupid, but that's not a legitimate argument for criminalising them.



*sigh*

Oh look, you're confusing a disagreement with American government and politics with hatred of the American people again. How original. I don't deny that's the definition of Manifest Destiny, what I would suggest is that the mentality behind such a presumptous belief is that America has a destiny to reach beyond its current boundaries, and to spread its ethos across the world, and that's a dangerous way of thinking. You don't have to know the name of something to subscribe to a particular way of thinking. And i'm not even going to make any comments about the consequences of Manifest Destiny to the Native Americans.



No, only in the last half-century or so, when America began to directly intervene in the Middle East through its support for Israel.



Probabaly because Bush, in a colossal PR bungle, actually related a war in the Muslim world to a Crusade.



Well, there was the stationing American troops, including women, in a part of the world containing some of their holiest sites. Leaving aside the whole issue of women's rights in Islam, to them it's kind of the equivalent to Saddam's Republican Guard protecting the Vatican.



You say something like that, then you have the gall to insult other people for hating America? Grow up.


Because the government shall make no law regarding religion. Now they may say you cannot urinate in public, but if you do it in your own home it is ok.

Don't bring up Native Americans. All that crap was started by the English, Spanish, Dutch, Italians, and basically all Europeans.


And what is wrong with wanting people to be like you? What is wrong with acquiring things? you act like having stuff and power is a bad thing.

We supported Israel because they were under attack by some asshole middle eastern countries. If you are against Israel you are a fucking idiot.

We protected Kuwait, after they asked for our help. Now if you are going to blame that on us, fuck you. They can deal with infidels being there. Because if they fuck up we are going to do something about it.

No you need to grow up and grow some balls. The middle east sucks right now, the people there are not the smartest people and then you have the crazy fucks. And for some reason you would be perfectly content with the crap that was going on there,

[Scythe]

Don't bring up Native Americans. All that crap was started by the English, Spanish, Dutch, Italians, and basically all Europeans.

That's right, son, you just keep shifting that blame. Never mind that Europe has had nothing to do with the Native Americans for about a century, and yet they still live in atrocious conditions.

And what is wrong with wanting people to be like you? What is wrong with acquiring things? you act like having stuff and power is a bad thing.

Way to jump to an unwarranted conclusion. I don't think wanting people to be like you is wrong. A little childish and intolerant, perhaps, but not wrong. What I have a problem with is the arrogance and hubris that often seems to emerge as a product of that.

We supported Israel because they were under attack by some asshole middle eastern countries. If you are against Israel you are a fucking idiot.

Way to jump to an unwarranted conclusion. I never said anything about supporting or opposing Israel. You were suggesting that I was suggesting that Islamic Fundamentalism was a new thing, and I was pointing out that it only really began to gain momentum whan the U.S. began strongly supporting Israel. I made no value judgements, so get a grip on your kneejerk reaction.


We protected Kuwait, after they asked for our help. Now if you are going to blame that on us, fuck you. They can deal with infidels being there. Because if they fuck up we are going to do something about it.

I wasn't talking about Kuwait, I was talking about Saudi Arabia, a different non-democratic monarchy guilty of numerous human rights abuses and a valued ally to America in the Middle East.

No you need to grow up and grow some balls. The middle east sucks right now, the people there are not the smartest people and then you have the crazy fucks. And for some reason you would be perfectly content with the crap that was going on there,

You don't even see how racist and insulting that is, do you?

You seem to be stuck in the mindset that opposing human rights abuses and hoping for democracy in the Middle East automatically equates with supporting America, and that if you don't support America, that means you must be in favour of "the crap that was going on there". That's simply not even close to being true.

[Jimma]

Nodbugger you seem to hold many views on issues you probably aren't educated in. It'd be a good idea for you to travel to Palestine and Saudi Arabia one day. In the mean time please read a book called "The Quiet American" by Graham Greene. It's about the Indo-China war, basically Vietnam just before the Vietnam war when the French were fighting those trying to overthrow them. The narrative is about an English reporter in Indo-China and a young American who arrives and becomes the reporter's friend. It's one of the best books I've ever read, and you'll like it because it often times makes fun of French people and France.

Next time I'm in America, I'll be visiting you to ask a bunch of questions about the book to make sure you've read it.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

Either way they won't change. Don't act like these people will have a change of heart if we are nice to them. We have been nice for the past 200 years.

And they havent hated you for the past 200 years. Fact is only since the 70's and 80's (when the US started to meddle in the affairs of the Middle East and the rest of the world) do they hate you. Your country armed Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. They used to be your best friends until they realised that the US just recruited them to do their dirty work. Dont even try to deny this! The US has been fighting wars by proxy all over the world, and now you are really pissed off that some of your former friends are against you, how sad!

When will you realise that people dont want to be bullied by foreigners! No-one want a foreign country telling them what to do. The Soviets tried in the 50's and 60's, look where it got them! The Arabs will continue to resist you, and only once millions of people have died will you do a reality check and realise the mistakes made.

[Nodbugger]

That's right, son, you just keep shifting that blame. Never mind that Europe has had nothing to do with the Native Americans for about a century, and yet they still live in atrocious conditions.



Way to jump to an unwarranted conclusion. I don't think wanting people to be like you is wrong. A little childish and intolerant, perhaps, but not wrong. What I have a problem with is the arrogance and hubris that often seems to emerge as a product of that.



Way to jump to an unwarranted conclusion. I never said anything about supporting or opposing Israel. You were suggesting that I was suggesting that Islamic Fundamentalism was a new thing, and I was pointing out that it only really began to gain momentum whan the U.S. began strongly supporting Israel. I made no value judgements, so get a grip on your kneejerk reaction.




I wasn't talking about Kuwait, I was talking about Saudi Arabia, a different non-democratic monarchy guilty of numerous human rights abuses and a valued ally to America in the Middle East.



You don't even see how racist and insulting that is, do you?

You seem to be stuck in the mindset that opposing human rights abuses and hoping for democracy in the Middle East automatically equates with supporting America, and that if you don't support America, that means you must be in favour of "the crap that was going on there". That's simply not even close to being true.


You also need to keep in mind that there haven't been many Native Americans for over a Century. What they hell do you mean atrocious conditions? Either they have their own plot of land where they make their own laws or they live with everyone else. They are people not animals in a zoo.

Why is it arrogant? We have something good going on. So why not let people share in on it.

Saudi Arabia is the friend no one likes to talk about. Everyone has them. The one you don't really like and all your other friends don't really like. But you get some really cool stuff from them so you keep them around.

How is it racists? The middle east isn't a race, and it certainly isn't on the top 100000 places to visit.

If America is the one doing it then yes it is supporting America. And if you oppose America you are against what America is doing.

[Nodbugger]

Nodbugger you seem to hold many views on issues you probably aren't educated in. It'd be a good idea for you to travel to Palestine and Saudi Arabia one day. In the mean time please read a book called "The Quiet American" by Graham Greene. It's about the Indo-China war, basically Vietnam just before the Vietnam war when the French were fighting those trying to overthrow them. The narrative is about an English reporter in Indo-China and a young American who arrives and becomes the reporter's friend. It's one of the best books I've ever read, and you'll like it because it often times makes fun of French people and France.

Next time I'm in America, I'll be visiting you to ask a bunch of questions about the book to make sure you've read it.


I have been to Saudi Arabia. And it sucked. It was cool to be somewhere different like that, but it wasn't on my destination list.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

Oh, and you have no fucking clue about Manifest Destiny. Manifest Destiny was to make America stretch from the Pacific to the Atlantic, that happened along time ago and most Americans don't even know what manifest destiny is. So stop bring it up you ignorant anti-America fuck.


Did you consider the policy of pre-emptive action that Bush has adopted is philosopically linked to the Manifest Destiny and the Monroe Doctrine? Suppress trouble in far-away lands before it comes home? Did you ever consider that by invading these lands, you will be creating more and more terrorists and unrest? You cant control what people think, its been tried and it has failed every time. Ultimately, the US will lose this "war on terrorism", either by reneging on it or by realising what a waste of time it was.

By the way, no I am not anti-American. I am anti-imperialist, and I really dont care what country is doing what. If China or Russia or Japan was acting like the US is now, I would be posting stuff contrary to them. Unfortunately, only the US seems to be acting in this aggressive posture, and for that they deserve my scorn.


We have been nice for the past 200 years. Only dealing with people after they fuck up. We could have solved a lot of problems if we did everything when it should have been done. Are you seriously trying to say that these people have only started hating us in the last decade or so? They have no sense of time. they still think the Crusades happened last week. And that is all it really is. Most people in the US are not Muslim, nor do we really fucking care what the hell they think. So they are just being a bunch of asshole. We have never done anything in the middle east outside of saving Kuwait and rescuing hostages. Then Sept 11th happened and we are going to pave the place over.

Why is it your problem if people fuck up? Why take it upon yourselves to fix up these alleged mistakes from other countries?

Do you want to know why the Muslim world hates the US? Lets start here?
- US Vetoes of UN Security Council Resolutions Against Israel (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html)
- General Assembly Resolutions Regarding Israel (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/gatoc.html)
- Dimona Nuclear Facility (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/dimona.htm)
- Israels Nuclear Programme (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3340639.stm)
- Israel asks US for more money (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2513159.stm)

Take note of that last article Nodbugger, Israel begged the US for more aid, and had earmarked $4billion US dollars on military spending, plus $10 billion more on the economy and infrastructure. Thats $14 billion for less than 6.7 million Israelis!

In comparison, Jordan, next door to Israel, has a total GDP of $25 billion. Lebanon has a GDP of $18 billion. Check out the CIA factbook, thats where I got my figures from.

If you really want to believe me, read this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4584817.stm) article from the BBC about Abbas' trip to visit Bush. Bush pledged $50 million to help 3.7 million Palestinians.

So to summarise, he pledged $4,000 million on providing first-class defence of one country, and then $50 million on improving the lives of people, already the poorest in the region, in another country right next door.

And then you wonder why the Arab world hates you.

[Nodbugger]

And they havent hated you for the past 200 years. Fact is only since the 70's and 80's (when the US started to meddle in the affairs of the Middle East and the rest of the world) do they hate you. Your country armed Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. They used to be your best friends until they realised that the US just recruited them to do their dirty work. Dont even try to deny this! The US has been fighting wars by proxy all over the world, and now you are really pissed off that some of your former friends are against you, how sad!

When will you realise that people dont want to be bullied by foreigners! No-one want a foreign country telling them what to do. The Soviets tried in the 50's and 60's, look where it got them! The Arabs will continue to resist you, and only once millions of people have died will you do a reality check and realise the mistakes made.

So what if we got into their affairs? The things we got into involved us too. You can't tell us to get involved in somethings and not others. It gets fucking annoying.

No we did not Arm Saddam and Bin Laden, Beowulf has posted all the information a countless number of times. Will you people get that through your thick fucking skulls already. We also never supplied Bin laden.

Osama was 22 when the soviets invaded Afghanistan. After he graduated from engineering school he want to Pakistan to finance the Mujahidin.

Osama never had anything to do with Afghanistan until 1996. And the reason he opposes the US is because we went to help Kuwait and we were infidels.

Anything Afghanistan received was Soviet, anything they used was Soviet. Anything they had left was rusted soviet pieces of crap. We never funded him shit.

http://www.answers.com/topic/osama-bin-laden


Our friends are always against us. It is nothing new. Europe just needs to realize they are not the super powers anymore. They need to realize they are has beens.

We are not bullying anyone. Like I said many many many times before. The US would have been happy going into Iraq and Afghanistan without having to fire a single show.

[Nodbugger]

Did you consider the policy of pre-emptive action that Bush has adopted is philosopically linked to the Manifest Destiny and the Monroe Doctrine? Suppress trouble in far-away lands before it comes home? Did you ever consider that by invading these lands, you will be creating more and more terrorists and unrest? You cant control what people think, its been tried and it has failed every time. Ultimately, the US will lose this "war on terrorism", either by reneging on it or by realising what a waste of time it was.

By the way, no I am not anti-American. I am anti-imperialist, and I really dont care what country is doing what. If China or Russia or Japan was acting like the US is now, I would be posting stuff contrary to them. Unfortunately, only the US seems to be acting in this aggressive posture, and for that they deserve my scorn.



Why is it your problem if people fuck up? Why take it upon yourselves to fix up these alleged mistakes from other countries?

Do you want to know why the Muslim world hates the US? Lets start here?
- US Vetoes of UN Security Council Resolutions Against Israel (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html)
- General Assembly Resolutions Regarding Israel (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/gatoc.html)
- Dimona Nuclear Facility (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/dimona.htm)
- Israels Nuclear Programme (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3340639.stm)
- Israel asks US for more money (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2513159.stm)

Take note of that last article Nodbugger, Israel begged the US for more aid, and had earmarked $4billion US dollars on military spending, plus $10 billion more on the economy and infrastructure. Thats $14 billion for less than 6.7 million Israelis!

In comparison, Jordan, next door to Israel, has a total GDP of $25 billion. Lebanon has a GDP of $18 billion. Check out the CIA factbook, thats where I got my figures from.

If you really want to believe me, read this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4584817.stm) article from the BBC about Abbas' trip to visit Bush. Bush pledged $50 million to help 3.7 million Palestinians.

So to summarise, he pledged $4,000 million on providing first-class defence of one country, and then $50 million on improving the lives of people, already the poorest in the region, in another country right next door.

And then you wonder why the Arab world hates you.


Pre-emptive action could have stopped World War 2. I am not stupid enough to stand and wait to get punched in the face.

The US is in no way imperialist.

And no, all your little theroies are crap. If that were true every war would cause unrest. But they haven't. Only a little bit in the middle east. We dropped atom bombs on Japan and the majority of their population really doesn't care anymore.

Now my question to you is why does the UN feel the need to fuck with Israel? Why don't they make resolutions regarding Sudan or Rwanda. Why didn't they do anything with Iraq. Why aren't think getting into Iraq business. Why don't they go chump north Korea. Why aren't they doing the things they should be doing. The world isn't giving Israel proper support so we are making up for it.

Jordon has been improving everything by itself, which is how it wants to do it. They used to be a big crap hole but lately things have been getting better. they don't want to live in the stone age like other countries.

Lebanon recently got rid of Syria. They don't need help doing much.

So basically you are saying the middle east hates us because we don't give them money? Or you are saying they hate us because we are friendly to the Jews are are evil creatures that should all be killed?

[moldy bread]

No self respecting black person would go to KFC for chicken.
So you're saying that if you found a black person in KFC you'd point your finger at them and say "YOU HAVE NO SELF RESPECT!!!!!" Is that it is it? You Nodbitcher are a racist cunt who judges people for their tastes as well as their opinions.

Flag burning and gay marriages are different than peeing on a book.

You;d defend your flag with your life and they'd do the same for their "booooook". but you can't fuscking see that can ya moran.

there is no difference. if i pee'd on your flag and you burnt my book there'd be world war 4.


They should ban Flag burning for the simple reason that it is just stupid.

because it's STUPID.

congress should pass a new law. if it's stupid, ban it. though that may backfire on you because then you'd be banned. and you'd be an outlaw. and Bush wouldn't be your friend anymore. you'd be hiding in a cave with Osama and two gay men who got illegally married.

or maybe you and Osama are the two fags that got married. then you'd be be right on the top of Bush's shit list.

[moldy bread]

Saudi Arabia is the friend no one likes to talk about. Everyone has them.
Cuts close to the bone doesn't it.

Mrs Bugger once said something similar to me, "Noddy is the son no one likes to talk about".

She also said she had to hang a raw lamb chop around your neck from a piece of string when you were a little kid so the dog would at least play with you.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

Pre-emptive action could have stopped World War 2. I am not stupid enough to stand and wait to get punched in the face.


The only pre-emptive action that could have stopped WW2 was that the Treaty of Versailles could have been written alot less biased and harsh than it was. It was all the ammunition that Hitler needed to begin his rise to power, and im afraid to say, all the double-standards of the US today is all the ammunition that Osama Bin Laden needed to garner support for his terrorist activities.


The US is in no way imperialist.

And the Earth is flat.


If that were true every war would cause unrest. But they haven't. Only a little bit in the middle east.


How do you think that the Soviet invasion of Hungary and Czechoslovakia happened? Supressing Polish democracy? The India-Pakistan partitioning? Indochina and Vietnam? Malaya? Dude, every war that occurs results in a power vacuum that is always filled by the most ambitious and imperialist power in the area.


We dropped atom bombs on Japan and the majority of their population really doesn't care anymore.


Tell that to the relatives of those killed. Tell that to those dying of cancer in Japan today.


Now my question to you is why does the UN feel the need to fuck with Israel?

Because they possess nuclear weapons. Because the are occupying land that does not belong to them. Because they are the only country today to practice "apartheid" in the true sense of the word. Because they deny those under its occupation work, human rights and respect. Because they have been thumbing their nose at world opinion since the creation of Israel.


Why don't they make resolutions regarding Sudan or Rwanda. Why didn't they do anything with Iraq.

UN Resolution 997 on Rwanda (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/unamir2.htm)
UN Resolution 1547 on Sudan (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3940527.stm)
UN Resolution 1441 on Iraq (http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm) (the outcome of this one didnt suit the US so they decided to do it anyway).


Why aren't think getting into Iraq business.

Truck Bomb kills chief UN Envoy to Iraq (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/08/19/sprj.irq.main/)
(werent the "Coalition of the Willing" forces supposed to have provided protection??)


Why don't they go chump north Korea.

What have they done wrong? Since when is trying to build nuclear weapons a crime? Israel does it and they havent signed the NPT. Why not "chump" Israel first?


The world isn't giving Israel proper support so we are making up for it.

They dont need it from anyone else because theyre getting all the loving they need from the US.



Jordon has been improving everything by itself, which is how it wants to do it.
They used to be a big crap hole but lately things have been getting better. They don't want to live in the stone age like other countries.

Im sure they wouldnt mind a free $16 billion. In fact, im sure Rwanda or Sudan wouldnt mind it either.


Lebanon recently got rid of Syria. They don't need help doing much.

No-one was making any fuss while Israel were in Lebanon, or while Israel continued to bomb Lebanon from the sky like the gutless wonders they are.


So basically you are saying the middle east hates us because we don't give them money? Or you are saying they hate us because we are friendly to the Jews are are evil creatures that should all be killed?
The Middle East hates you because you treat Israel completely different to the Arab countries. Both in terms of UN support, military assistance, funding and the fact that everytime Israel breaks the law, you people turn a blind eye to them. But as soon as one of the Arab countries does a tiny thing wrong, your screaming foul.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

This one is one of my personal favourites. It demonstrates how the US is so biased against Arabs that it will do anything to keep the status-quo, even at the cost of lives, just to hide the truth of Israeli apartheidism from the outside world.

US Vetoes Force to Protect Palestinians (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1246837.stm) - BBC - 28/3/01.

Absolutely pathetic. How in your right mind can you defend the US and/or Israel, Nodbugger. Just for once in your life, say the truth and say I think that the US is imperialistic, and I think that Israel is an irresponsible rogue state. The rest of the world is not perfect either, but stop pretending that these two countries are perfect!

[Nodbugger]

So you're saying that if you found a black person in KFC you'd point your finger at them and say "YOU HAVE NO SELF RESPECT!!!!!" Is that it is it? You Nodbitcher are a racist cunt who judges people for their tastes as well as their opinions.



You;d defend your flag with your life and they'd do the same for their "booooook". but you can't fuscking see that can ya moran.

there is no difference. if i pee'd on your flag and you burnt my book there'd be world war 4.




because it's STUPID.

congress should pass a new law. if it's stupid, ban it. though that may backfire on you because then you'd be banned. and you'd be an outlaw. and Bush wouldn't be your friend anymore. you'd be hiding in a cave with Osama and two gay men who got illegally married.

or maybe you and Osama are the two fags that got married. then you'd be be right on the top of Bush's shit list.

No, I'm saying KFC is to chicken as AOL is to the internet.

[Nodbugger]

The only pre-emptive action that could have stopped WW2 was that the Treaty of Versailles could have been written alot less biased and harsh than it was. It was all the ammunition that Hitler needed to begin his rise to power, and im afraid to say, all the double-standards of the US today is all the ammunition that Osama Bin Laden needed to garner support for his terrorist activities.
[quote]

No, what about when Germany invaded Poland, or the whole appeasement process. Going back to Beowulf, he has also shown several times or Europe made it into a whole cluster fuck by allowing Germany to do what it wanted.





[quote]And the Earth is flat. Please tell me where this new land is? I haven't noticed a 51st state or a new territory. Now go fuck yourself.




How do you think that the Soviet invasion of Hungary and Czechoslovakia happened? Supressing Polish democracy? The India-Pakistan partitioning? Indochina and Vietnam? Malaya? Dude, every war that occurs results in a power vacuum that is always filled by the most ambitious and imperialist power in the area.

Those happened because the Soviet Union wanted to take over land and make it the soviet union. The Us does not want land.



Tell that to the relatives of those killed. Tell that to those dying of cancer in Japan today.
they don't really care. It was war, they were military targets. No one is still dying of cancer anymore. The Half Life of the Area is passed and it is no longer radioactive. Basic chemistry proves that.


Because they possess nuclear weapons. Because the are occupying land that does not belong to them. Because they are the only country today to practice "apartheid" in the true sense of the word. Because they deny those under its occupation work, human rights and respect. Because they have been thumbing their nose at world opinion since the creation of Israel.

They don't have nuclear weapons. They are only occupying their land, they gave back any land that they had taken after they were illegally invaded several times. they don't deny them rights. Who the fuck are you trying to kid? If they get shot while trying to blow themselves up that is their fucking fualt. You don't have the right to do the shit they do. Palestine is not a country. Palestinians are turned down by every Arab country. Arabs have 22 countries and 6 million square miles of land, Israel is 1 country and 10 thousand square miles of land. I don't think their imperialistic plans are going to well. Don't you think?


UN Resolution 997 on Rwanda (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/unamir2.htm)
UN Resolution 1547 on Sudan (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3940527.stm)
UN Resolution 1441 on Iraq (http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm) (the outcome of this one didnt suit the US so they decided to do it anyway).

And those have accomplished what? Rwanda still happened, Sudan is still going on and we invaded Iraq. There were 13 Iraq resolutions and Iraq violated every single one. And there has been a single one for Sudan and 1 for Rwanda. And how many for Israel? Over 100? Don't you think that is just complete bullshit?


Truck Bomb kills chief UN Envoy to Iraq (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/08/19/sprj.irq.main/)
(werent the "Coalition of the Willing" forces supposed to have provided protection??)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/967348/posts

The UN did not want Americans by them, they thought it made them look bad.


What have they done wrong? Since when is trying to build nuclear weapons a crime? Israel does it and they havent signed the NPT. Why not "chump" Israel first? If you are not the US, Russia, China, England or france it is a crime. Nuclear weapons should be in the hands of countries like that. Especially unstable countries that will us them when ever they want. If there are people willing to blow themselves up to kil la few infidels, imagine what they could do with a nuke.




They dont need it from anyone else because theyre getting all the loving they need from the US. They never got it from the world and they never will.



Im sure they wouldnt mind a free $16 billion. In fact, im sure Rwanda or Sudan wouldnt mind it either. And what would they do with it? militias steal it to buy weapons?


No-one was making any fuss while Israel were in Lebanon, or while Israel continued to bomb Lebanon from the sky like the gutless wonders they are. And you still don't care that Egypt, Syria, and Jordan all invaded Israel. And Israel took their land after they invaded Israel.


The Middle East hates you because you treat Israel completely different to the Arab countries. Both in terms of UN support, military assistance, funding and the fact that everytime Israel breaks the law, you people turn a blind eye to them. But as soon as one of the Arab countries does a tiny thing wrong, your screaming foul. We treat Israel different because they have gotten on the boat. they are a democracy. They are a civilized nation. they follow laws that the western world agrees on. All of their people have inalienable rights. they are created equal. People can vote, they can own property. they don't get their heads cut off for swearing. The women can drive cars, and do everything men can do. Arab countries haven't figured this out yet. If their countries didn't suck we might help them do things.

[Nodbugger]

This one is one of my personal favourites. It demonstrates how the US is so biased against Arabs that it will do anything to keep the status-quo, even at the cost of lives, just to hide the truth of Israeli apartheidism from the outside world.

US Vetoes Force to Protect Palestinians (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1246837.stm) - BBC - 28/3/01.

Absolutely pathetic. How in your right mind can you defend the US and/or Israel, Nodbugger. Just for once in your life, say the truth and say I think that the US is imperialistic, and I think that Israel is an irresponsible rogue state. The rest of the world is not perfect either, but stop pretending that these two countries are perfect!

They are not perfect. But they are not evil or imperialist and Israel certainly isn't a rogue state.

The American veto comes amid an upsurge in violence and a new bomb attack on the border between Israel and the West Bank.

Two teenagers and a suspected suicide bomber died in the third bomb attack in two days. Several people were injured.

With Palestinians doing this shit I wouldn't care if Israel flattened the place.

Seriously look at it. Israeli controlled areas are nice and well built, with stores and restaurants. Palestinians and Arab controlled areas are hell holes.

[moldy bread]

and in nazi germany all the trains ran on time.

[amj]

With Palestinians doing this shit I wouldn't care if Israel flattened the place.

Seriously look at it. Israeli controlled areas are nice and well built, with stores and restaurants. Palestinians and Arab controlled areas are hell holes.


Fantastic. So in addition to you being the definitive voice on the status of chicken these days, you also judge a country by how many stores and restaurants it has? Hilarious.


And once again, words fail me. I simply can't express the "WTF" reaction in big enough letters. I hope you die. very soon.

[Up_All_Night]

They are not perfect. But they are not evil or imperialist and Israel certainly isn't a rogue state.


please explain how they are not a rogue state? using examples of Rogue states and why they deserve the title and Israel does not.

[Nodbugger]

Fantastic. So in addition to you being the definitive voice on the status of chicken these days, you also judge a country by how many stores and restaurants it has? Hilarious.


And once again, words fail me. I simply can't express the "WTF" reaction in big enough letters. I hope you die. very soon.

KFC is not chicken, it sucks.

yes, stores show wealth ans ability produce and ability to buy. It shows a health economy. Now go fuck yourself.

[Nodbugger]

please explain how they are not a rogue state? using examples of Rogue states and why they deserve the title and Israel does not.

They are a democracy
They do not have a militaristic leader
They are not threatening a large scale war
They do not have a fanatic population
They do not have a fanatic government.
They have a prosperous capitalist economy

You are a fucking idiot.

[berserk]

Either way they won't change. Don't act like these people will have a change of heart if we are nice to them. We have been nice for the past 200 years.
Who are these people you call "they"?

If they are Iraqis are, as you saying that they are beyind redemption?
If so wouldn't the the current* stated reason for invading Iraq, to bring democracy & civilisation to an oppressed peoples, is a sham?

Flag burning and gay marriages are different than peeing on a book..
The Quran is not a book. To a Muslim, it is the literal word of God, transcribed verbatim & without addition, ommission or interpretation by man.
To every muslim, every copy of the Quran is more important & sacred than the bible to a Christian & the Declaration of Independence ot a Yank.

That you could even consider it of less importance than a flag makes me severely doubt that you've been anywhere near a Muslim, let alone been to Saudi Arabia.

[berserk]

They are a democracy
They do not have a militaristic leader
They are not threatening a large scale war
They do not have a fanatic population
They do not have a fanatic government.
They have a prosperous capitalist economy

Whats the difference between Myanmar & Iraq?
A billion barrels of oil reserves

[polite]

Noddy, shut the fuck up. I go out sailing and experience the wonders and beauty of the real world. I foolishly return to this site to find you dribbling your same deranged diatribes. The more things change the more they stay the same. Strap some fucking explosives to your body and obliterate yourself and we'll read about it on page 14.
You give me the shits.

[Nodbugger]

Who are these people you call "they"?

If they are Iraqis are, as you saying that they are beyind redemption?
If so wouldn't the the current* stated reason for invading Iraq, to bring democracy & civilisation to an oppressed peoples, is a sham?


The Quran is not a book. To a Muslim, it is the literal word of God, transcribed verbatim & without addition, ommission or interpretation by man.
To every muslim, every copy of the Quran is more important & sacred than the bible to a Christian & the Declaration of Independence ot a Yank.

That you could even consider it of less importance than a flag makes me severely doubt that you've been anywhere near a Muslim, let alone been to Saudi Arabia.


They is the Islamic extremists.

And the Koran obviously is not sacred to them. you read the fucking article. the prisoners treated it worse. they were the ones who flushed it down the toilet. They are the ones who tore out the pages.

[Nodbugger]

Whats the difference between Myanmar & Iraq?
A billion barrels of oil reserves

Don't bring up oil, I already proved it was not for oil your ignorant son of a bitch.

[royale]

Fuck off noddy you give me the shits.

[Nodbugger]

Fuck off noddy you give me the shits.

You get the shits way too often.

[royale]

I would be able to blame dodgy food if you weren't such a silly cunt

[berserk]

And the Koran obviously is not sacred to them. you read the fucking article. the prisoners treated it worse. they were the ones who flushed it down the toilet. They are the ones who tore out the pages.
& I should believe everything the US Army tells me?

Don't bring up oil, I already proved it was not for oil
Then you tell me the difference between Burma, North Korea & Iraq.

[Juice Biscuit]

They is the Islamic extremists.

And the Koran obviously is not sacred to them. you read the fucking article. the prisoners treated it worse. they were the ones who flushed it down the toilet. They are the ones who tore out the pages.




So if I apply that theory to the US, then everyone serving in the US armed services is a pregnant cabbage patch doll impersonator, that likes pointing at people's cocks.

[Nodbugger]

& I should believe everything the US Army tells me?


Then you tell me the difference between Burma, North Korea & Iraq.

So you are going to believe what they said they did wrong , but not what they say the prisoners did wrong?


Iraq has been on our shit list for far longer.

[Nodbugger]

So if I apply that theory to the US, then everyone serving in the US armed services is a pregnant cabbage patch doll impersonator, that likes pointing at people's cocks.

What the hell are you talking about?

The people that protested had a huge cluster fuck without knowing if it was true. It was not true. But it was actually a prisoner who put the Koran in the toilet. Now you don't seem to care that it was a prisoner desecrating the Korean, but when it was an American soldier you were up in arms. Now that they know it was a prisoner how come they don't care?

It wasn't that someone desecrated the Korean, it was that it was an American soldier who did something.

[Juice Biscuit]

What the hell are you talking about?

The people that protested had a huge cluster fuck without knowing if it was true. It was not true. But it was actually a prisoner who put the Koran in the toilet. Now you don't seem to care that it was a prisoner desecrating the Korean, but when it was an American soldier you were up in arms. Now that they know it was a prisoner how come they don't care?

It wasn't that someone desecrated the Korean, it was that it was an American soldier who did something.


Who says I did care in the first place? You could drink metho, then open your fly, light a match and piss fire on the Koran for all I give a fuck.



Just don't start crying "why do they hate us" when they return the favour by sending you up the bomb.


The report clearly states that it was a few of the prisoners not all of them that were desecrating the Koran you scientific speciman that offers living proof that rats and pigs can successfuly breed.


I was just using your blanket generalisations back at you in the failed attempt you might go "ah, I was being a cock". "Maybe I shouldn't make such silly comments next time."

[Up_All_Night]

They are a democracy

Only for people of a certain religion


They do not have a militaristic leader

Their president has commited war crimes and cant visit certain countries for fears of being arrested and tried for them


They are not threatening a large scale war

They have been illegally taking land and oppressing a large population of people. They have a large extremely better equiped military than any country in the region. They have more tanks than hitler had when he started ww2. They do fire into neighboring countries. They have said on many times they will take matters into their own hands if the USA doesnt do it for them.


They do not have a fanatic population


There is a large group of overly fanatic religious people in their population who's religious beliefs cause alot of the problem, hence them believing a fictional book gives them the right to bulldoze innocent peoples homes, build a new home in its place for themselves.


They do not have a fanatic government.

Many of the above mentioned people, the Zionists or what have you do control a large part of the government and have considerable influence. Hence why government policies have often been in accordance with the fictional book.


They have a prosperous capitalist economy

Whats this got to do with rogue state?

You are a fucking idiot.

Do you have a shortcut on your keyboard for that?


Further more with Israel they are in breach of so many international laws, from human rights violations and their nuclear program and shit, they just disregard any international laws they want, treaties and the USA lets them.
its not fair to have different rules for some countries than other.


Also i would like to state out, this is by no means meant to be racist, i have no problems with people of the jewish faith. Just with the actions of the state of Israel.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

They are a democracy

1) Contraditions of Israels Arabs - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3465119.stm)
"Despite being Israeli citizens - with full civil rights - Israeli Arabs say their towns, schools and other services are far worse than in Jewish areas ... They suffer from lower education and worse health, but they also have a far higher birth rate."

Remind you a little of South Africa in the 1980's??

2) Arab Ban Proposed in Jewish Areas - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2115857.stm)
"The bill empowers the quasi-governmental Jewish Agency, which leases about 93% of state land, to establish exclusively Jewish communities on land it administers."

"We need breathing space" - Hitler, 1938

3) Palestinian Candiate Ejected - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4153465.stm)
"An Israeli police spokesman said Mr Barghouti was held for violating an agreement not to enter the mosque compound."

Good to see that Israel allows ultra-right-wing nuts into parliament, but moderate Palestinian politicians are treated with harrassment.



They do not have a militaristic leader

- Sharon Hints that Arafat may be Killed - Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1304871,00.html)
- Sharon regrets sparing Arafat - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1793304.stm)

Sounds like Sharon isnt a happy little fella. Maybe he hasnt been getting lovin' lately.



They are not threatening a large scale war

- Israeli Jets hit Lebanon Targets - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3414431.stm)
- Israel Threatens Iran Over Nuclear Program - FOX News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133899,00.html) (yipee!)


They do not have a fanatic population

- Israeli Settlers Dig In for Gaza Campaign - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4600281.stm)
- Jewish Settlers Beat Palestinians - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4600281.stm)
- Right Wingers Assault Netanyahu - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4256953.stm)
- Israel to Expand Settlements - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3158036.stm)
- Baruch Goldstein - Profile of a Murderer - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein)



They do not have a fanatic government.

- Sharon Unveils Hardline Coalition - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2804421.stm)
- Policies of the National Union Party of Israel - 8 seats in Knesset and Coalition Member (http://www.israelvotes.com/demo/platforms_unity.html)

Depends how you define "fanatical"? I guess forcibly becoming an Israeli or being removed sounds pretty fanatical to me. What next? Concentration camps?


They have a prosperous capitalist economy

- Gaza industrial zone to close - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3790867.stm)
- Israeli Aparteid - Al Ahram Weekly (http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/745/re5.htm)
- The Importance of an Independent Palestinian State - Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding (http://www.caabu.org/press/articles/palestinian-state.html)

A very prosperous capitalist economy, built on the backs of "cheap" labour from Palestine (and lots of love from the USA)


You are a fucking idiot.


Useless without video, dont you agree? :tits:

[Kez]

You don't need to have a conviction to be guilty.

If these guys didn't do anything do you think the military would have wasted time capturing them, transporting them, interrogating them, shipping them to Cuba, building them a prison. interrogating them some more , and keep them fed and clothed and in a decent living environment for the last couple years?

You need to have a conviction for it to be a fair trial,

And hello? It's the U.S military? Of course you'd waste your time doing that kind of shit. You've got the lack of brains, and excess funding to do it.

[Kez]

And you just got owned by Mr Bigglesworth, you dumb faghat.

[Nodbugger]

Only for people of a certain religion
Ahh...ignorance.

ethnic groups- Jewish 80.1% (Europe/America-born 32.1%, Israel-born 20.8%, Africa-born 14.6%, Asia-born 12.6%), non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.)


Relgious Groups - Jewish 80.1%, Muslim 14.6% (mostly Sunni Muslim), Christian 2.1%, other 3.2% (1996 est.)

While the majority is Jewish, they are not the only ones who get democracy. Palestinians are not Israelis citizens, and the obviously do not want to be.

Their president has commited war crimes and cant visit certain countries for fears of being arrested and tried for them

You mean countries like Jordan? Syria? Iraq? Iran? Egypt? Muslim countries that hate Jews?

They have been illegally taking land and oppressing a large population of people. They have a large extremely better equiped military than any country in the region. They have more tanks than hitler had when he started ww2. They do fire into neighboring countries. They have said on many times they will take matters into their own hands if the USA doesnt do it for them.

If Canada attacked the United States, and we invaded Canada. It would take nothing to take over Canada. Now don't you think since Canada started the war they should live the reprucusions of the US taking Canada? That is exactly what Israel did. They got invaded and have been getting invaded for a very long time. As they fight they gain land. It only makes sense. If the surroundings countries want to fight let them fight. Just don't bitch about it when you lose.


There is a large group of overly fanatic religious people in their population who's religious beliefs cause alot of the problem, hence them believing a fictional book gives them the right to bulldoze innocent peoples homes, build a new home in its place for themselves. And the Muslims fictional book makes them think they can blow up people eating food or buying clothes, or gunning down old people getting their arthritis checked on.


Many of the above mentioned people, the Zionists or what have you do control a large part of the government and have considerable influence. Hence why government policies have often been in accordance with the fictional book. I find it funny that you promote gay pride groups, black pride groups and all those types , but when it comes to Jews being self righteous you go all up in arms on them.

Further more with Israel they are in breach of so many international laws, from human rights violations and their nuclear program and shit, they just disregard any international laws they want, treaties and the USA lets them.
its not fair to have different rules for some countries than other.

Yes it is. Criminals have different rules than model citizens. That is how it should be. You fuck up and you lose shit. That is how life is.

Also i would like to state out, this is by no means meant to be racist, i have no problems with people of the jewish faith. Just with the actions of the state of Israel.

Who just happened to be Jewish

[Nodbugger]

1) Contraditions of Israels Arabs - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3465119.stm)
"Despite being Israeli citizens - with full civil rights - Israeli Arabs say their towns, schools and other services are far worse than in Jewish areas ... They suffer from lower education and worse health, but they also have a far higher birth rate."

Remind you a little of South Africa in the 1980's??


What are you trying to prove? If Israel is anything like the US this obvious. Some neihbhors hoods are worse off than others. It isn't a race thing it is a social class or wealth thing. I'm sure Australia or where ever the hell you are from has ghettos. I'm sure there are bad niebhorhoods. And I can tell you right now that some of these neihbhor hoods are predominantly of one race. There are poor black , poor whites, poor Mexican, poor Jewish, poor everything in the US. Does that mean the government is racist? No, every town has its own economy. I am lucky enough to be able to live in an area that has a richer population. There is much more money here than over in a nearby town called Joliet. We have much better schools, better roads. Basically everything better.


2) Arab Ban Proposed in Jewish Areas - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2115857.stm)
"The bill empowers the quasi-governmental Jewish Agency, which leases about 93% of state land, to establish exclusively Jewish communities on land it administers."

"We need breathing space" - Hitler, 1938

Now this is kind of stupid. I doubt it ever got passed, but if the land is privately owned there isn't much anyone can do about it.
3) Palestinian Candiate Ejected - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4153465.stm)
"An Israeli police spokesman said Mr Barghouti was held for violating an agreement not to enter the mosque compound."

Good to see that Israel allows ultra-right-wing nuts into parliament, but moderate Palestinian politicians are treated with harrassment.

Oddly enough he still won, are you trying to say a few police officers represent all police officers?



- Sharon Hints that Arafat may be Killed - Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1304871,00.html)
- Sharon regrets sparing Arafat - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1793304.stm)

Sounds like Sharon isnt a happy little fella. Maybe he hasnt been getting lovin' lately.

How is that militaristic at all? He doesn't walk around all day in a military uniform. He doesn't call himself General or anything. Saddam was like that. Sharon isn't. Killing someone who wants to kill you isn't a militaristic thing.





- Israeli Jets hit Lebanon Targets - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3414431.stm)
- Israel Threatens Iran Over Nuclear Program - FOX News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133899,00.html) (yipee!)

Iran wants Israel to be a parking lot and they attacked Lebanon in retaliation for a terrorist attack.



- Israeli Settlers Dig In for Gaza Campaign - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4600281.stm)
- Jewish Settlers Beat Palestinians - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4600281.stm)
- Right Wingers Assault Netanyahu - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4256953.stm)
- Israel to Expand Settlements - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3158036.stm)
- Baruch Goldstein - Profile of a Murderer - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein)


That is in no way fanatic, it is one step lower down to passionate.



- Sharon Unveils Hardline Coalition - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2804421.stm)
- Policies of the National Union Party of Israel - 8 seats in Knesset and Coalition Member (http://www.israelvotes.com/demo/platforms_unity.html)

Depends how you define "fanatical"? I guess forcibly becoming an Israeli or being removed sounds pretty fanatical to me. What next? Concentration camps?

Neither of those have any relevance.


[quote]- Gaza industrial zone to close - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3790867.stm)
- Israeli Aparteid - Al Ahram Weekly (http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/745/re5.htm)
- The Importance of an Independent Palestinian State - Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding (http://www.caabu.org/press/articles/palestinian-state.html)

A very prosperous capitalist economy, built on the backs of "cheap" labour from Palestine (and lots of love from the USA)
[quote]

None of these have any relevance either.

[Nodbugger]

You need to have a conviction for it to be a fair trial,

And hello? It's the U.S military? Of course you'd waste your time doing that kind of shit. You've got the lack of brains, and excess funding to do it.

So these guys won't get a fair trial, but the soldiers who were convicted to abuses got a fair trial right?

[moldy bread]

I say we use the nuclear option and simply bomb Chicago to rid the world of your whinging ass. Sure millions will die, but it will be a small price to pay for the salvation of the gene pool.

[Directed]

Hey now, you could just send in a strike team and take him out quietly.

[asskickergod]

I say we use the nuclear option and simply bomb Chicago to rid the world of your whinging ass. Sure millions will die, but it will be a small price to pay for the salvation of the gene pool.

Fuck that, I'm down wind of Chicago. I don't want to get contaminated by invisible fragments of Nodbuggers DNA raining down on me from the sky.

[and3w]

Amusing post regarding the generosity of the Isralis regarding 'their' (Copyright Noddy) land!
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2A05C458-9839-471D-9224-330398169C00.htm

Yeah, I know noddy, its from Al Jazeera so it is all lies! God, I'm an idiot; just thought I'd get that in before you did!

[Nodbugger]

Amusing post regarding the generosity of the Isralis regarding 'their' (Copyright Noddy) land!
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2A05C458-9839-471D-9224-330398169C00.htm

Yeah, I know noddy, its from Al Jazeera so it is all lies! God, I'm an idiot; just thought I'd get that in before you did!

The fact is that it is not illegal.

[moldy bread]

BECAUSE AN ILL-EAGLE IS A SICK BIRD!!!!

SHIT BOY! THE YUKS JUST DON'T STOP!

What did you put in your Coca-Puffs this morning!?!! You are a regular Henny Youngman!

[Juice Biscuit]

Hey now, you could just send in a strike team and take him out quietly.




We could but the Nuke option would work out better for CNN's ratings.

[Up_All_Night]

Ahh...ignorance.

ethnic groups- Jewish 80.1% (Europe/America-born 32.1%, Israel-born 20.8%, Africa-born 14.6%, Asia-born 12.6%), non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.)


Relgious Groups - Jewish 80.1%, Muslim 14.6% (mostly Sunni Muslim), Christian 2.1%, other 3.2% (1996 est.)

While the majority is Jewish, they are not the only ones who get democracy. Palestinians are not Israelis citizens, and the obviously do not want to be.


The ethnic breakdown has nothing to do with it being democracy when only one group has power and the others are second class citizens.
The democracy is merely a formality there.




You mean countries like Jordan? Syria? Iraq? Iran? Egypt? Muslim countries that hate Jews?

No i mean European Countries



If Canada attacked the United States, and we invaded Canada. It would take nothing to take over Canada. Now don't you think since Canada started the war they should live the reprucusions of the US taking Canada? That is exactly what Israel did. They got invaded and have been getting invaded for a very long time. As they fight they gain land. It only makes sense. If the surroundings countries want to fight let them fight. Just don't bitch about it when you lose.

Israel is driving bulldozers into Palestinian territories, knockign down houses with people in them, building big walls to keep them out and then saying, "this is now israel." This is driven by fanatical religious beliefs. There's a reason they are refferred to as the Illegal Settlements by the United Nation.
your comment shows you have no knowledge on the issue at hand



And the Muslims fictional book makes them think they can blow up people eating food or buying clothes, or gunning down old people getting their arthritis checked on.


I find it funny that you promote gay pride groups, black pride groups and all those types , but when it comes to Jews being self righteous you go all up in arms on them.

Because saying black people and gay people to have equal rights to straight and white people does not infringe upon other peoples rights. Part of an effective democracy is majority rule while insuring minority rights as long as those rights do not infringe upon the rights of others. This has nothing to do with jewish rights, this has to do with religious fanatics who are persecuting others. Whether they be Muslims or Jewish it makes no difference. No one has the right to murder anyone else. If you cant see the difference between gay rights and the rights of peolple to murder others, you really need help.



Yes it is. Criminals have different rules than model citizens. That is how it should be. You fuck up and you lose shit. That is how life is.


ummmm yeah but Israel isnt held by any rules that other countries criminal or not are held to



Who just happened to be Jewish
By i thought you said Israel was a democracy...


Countries should be secular Noddy, its part of being a democracy

[Nodbugger]

The ethnic breakdown has nothing to do with it being democracy when only one group has power and the others are second class citizens.
The democracy is merely a formality there.




No i mean European Countries



Israel is driving bulldozers into Palestinian territories, knockign down houses with people in them, building big walls to keep them out and then saying, "this is now israel." This is driven by fanatical religious beliefs. There's a reason they are refferred to as the Illegal Settlements by the United Nation.
your comment shows you have no knowledge on the issue at hand



Because saying black people and gay people to have equal rights to straight and white people does not infringe upon other peoples rights. Part of an effective democracy is majority rule while insuring minority rights as long as those rights do not infringe upon the rights of others. This has nothing to do with jewish rights, this has to do with religious fanatics who are persecuting others. Whether they be Muslims or Jewish it makes no difference. No one has the right to murder anyone else. If you cant see the difference between gay rights and the rights of peolple to murder others, you really need help.




ummmm yeah but Israel isnt held by any rules that other countries criminal or not are held to



By i thought you said Israel was a democracy...


Countries should be secular Noddy, its part of being a democracy


So you hate Jews, just admit it.

And no, secularism has nothing to do with democracy.

[Directed]

We could but the Nuke option would work out better for CNN's ratings.

True that, I guess Chicago will just have to be nuked then. Oh well, I did love the city, but we are talking about the good for all humanity here.

[Up_All_Night]

So you hate Jews, just admit it.

And no, secularism has nothing to do with democracy.


I dont think its racist to be against the actions of a country.

i dont agree with the actions of the Australian government, and the American government, does that mean i'm racists against myself, and other white people?



Noddy you ever heard of speration between church and state, maybe you should look up what the foudning fathers of the USA had to say about it

[Nodbugger]

I dont think its racist to be against the actions of a country.

i dont agree with the actions of the Australian government, and the American government, does that mean i'm racists against myself, and other white people?



Noddy you ever heard of speration between church and state, maybe you should look up what the foudning fathers of the USA had to say about it


You are only condemning Jews. You are saying Jewish people do this, only Jewish people do that. Israel is all Jews ans Israel is evil .Israel is full of Jews who kill Palestinians. All of your posts have have shown that you hate Jews.


It is obvious.

Oh, and the founding fathers would never say that a democracy has to be secular. They do not walk hand and hand with each other. They would say things about government and religion, but saying you don't have a government without secularism is complete bullshit.

[Scumbag]

Fuck that, I'm down wind of Chicago. I don't want to get contaminated by invisible fragments of Nodbuggers DNA raining down on me from the sky.


I Wouldnt be sad to see your arse nuked back to the stone age either buddy.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

What are you trying to prove? If Israel is anything like the US this obvious. Some neihbhors hoods are worse off than others. It isn't a race thing it is a social class or wealth thing. I'm sure Australia or where ever the hell you are from has ghettos. I'm sure there are bad niebhorhoods. And I can tell you right now that some of these neihbhor hoods are predominantly of one race. There are poor bla