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Canalien
13-02-2006, 03:41 AM
Before I get into this, I feel obliged have a little chat about safety.
Seriously, do not skip over this if you've never deep fried before.

Most of us are responsible and are well aware that the Kitchen is probably the most dangerous area of your home. A bedroom with three naked ladies runs a close second. Much like the menage a trois, in the kitchen things are sharp, things are fast, things are hot, things are wet and things are slippery.
Apart from the bedroom of naked gals, it's the part of the home where I have the most fun, but you've have to be responsible. I'm pretty carefree when it comes to the triplets though.

Seriously though, you've got to stay on the ball in the kitchen and listen to that little voice in your head saying "This is not a good idea. This could make something very, very bad happen". Especially if you, like most of us are amateurs. Especially if you have kids around. Especially if you are going to try something in the kitchen, like this, that has massive potential for a very big and very painful fuck up. I'm speaking from experience here, and that's the reason I can't stress this enough.

Trying madly to wash 200 degree oil off of your hand while your eyes and lungs sting and suffer from the black smoke you're inhaling while you simultaneously attemp to put out the flames engulfing your stove before it spreads any further is not an experience you soon forget. Believe me.

So remember, always, always safety first. If you're not sure, stop and reconsider. Don't just try and make it happen anyway. If, for example, you don't think you have a big enough pot, or something else says to you "This might not work". Don't do it. Go buy a bigger pot. It's just not worth it.

Now, onto the good stuff.

First of all, when we say 'Deep Frying', we mean complete submersion of food in hot fat or oil. This is opposed to Pan Frying (also called Shallow Frying), Stir Frying and Sautéing, none of which use anywhere near the amount of oil as deep frying. With those other types of frying, the oil can be measured in tablespoons. With deep frying, we're talking litres.

Now you might say, all that fat, surely this is not a very healthy way to cook food. Well, yes and no.
Most people associate deep frying with soggy, greasy chips, battered who-knows-what and carnies. Deep Frying has a bad rep. But this is undeserved. The bad image comes from a lack of knowledge, and a lack of technique. When done incorrectly, deep frying can taste like shit have potential to really clog up those arteries. It doesn't have to be that way. For example, the Japanese know how to do it. Tempura anyone? Yeah, that's right. Now we're talking.

The secret to proper Deep Frying is really really high heat, and really really short cooking times. Despite all the liquid fat, Deep Frying is actually considered a dry-cooking technique and properly done the food will evidence that. The secret is the moisture that is contained already within the food you are going to cook. It actually repels the oil (try pouring oil into some water in a jug, they don't mix) and keeps it from seeping in. The oil, in turn, superheats this existing moisture and causes the food to steam itself from the inside out. Clever.
As long as the oil is hot enough, and the food doesn't sit in it too long, the oil will not penetrate far, and be restricted to the outer layer only.

Where people go wrong is leaving it in too long. When you do this, too much moisture disappears and the oil finds it's way into the food. On the other hand, if the oil isn't hot enough, the outside of the food will take longer to brown, essentially meaning that to cook it, you HAVE to leave it in longer, which as we've just established, is bad.

So how hot? How long?

Well, really this comes down to experimentation and experience, especially when it comes to time. Follow a few recipes first and use their recommended time to get a feel for it. It also depends on the type of oil you use. You want to keep your oil above 175 C, but not too much past 190 C. Now, each different oil you use will have a different Smoke Point. This is the specific temperature at which the oil begins to break down, release smoke and carcinogens, and generally make things taste like shit. You don't want to heat your oil that much. Beyond the smoke point somewhere, lies the flash point. Boom. This is one of the reasons why I highly recommend, nay insist, on investing on a deep fry thermometer. They're not expensive, they come in many varieties, and they let you know at a glance how hot your oil is. Most come with a 'Deep Fry Zone' indication around the right temperatures. Just remember to stir the oil before you measure the temperature so you get an even indication, and not a hot spot.

It's also important to remember that when you add food to the hot oil, the temperature will drop. It's good to monitor this with a thermometer and remember not to add too much food at once, as the temperature will drop too drastically and the food will sit in the oil too long not cooking while the oil struggles to heat up again.

Personally for deep frying I like to use Sunflower oil. It's pretty cheap, it has a relatively high smoke point (above 200 C) and it's pretty much cholesterol free. The best oil you could possibly use would be Avocado Oil. It's cholesterol free, is usually endorsed by the Heart Foundation and has a smoke point of somewhere around 270 C. The problem is that it's expensive as all buggery, and buying enough decent Avocado Oil to deep fry anything bigger than a toothpick is going to start costing you. The worst oil to fry with is Motor Oil.

Here's a list of some common oils and their usual smoke points.

Extra Virgin Olive Oil - 160 C
Butter - 177 C
Lard - 182 C
Canola Oil - 204 C
Really Expensive, Low Acid Extra Virgin Olive Oil - 207 C
Peanut Oil - 227 C
Sunflower Oil - 227 C
Safflower Oil - 266 C
Avocado Oil - 271 C

It's pretty safe to say that any cooking oil you buy at the supermarket is refined, however be aware that unrefined or semi-refined oil has a much lower smoke point.

So you've got your oil, you've got your stove. Now you need some kind of receptacle. The size of this really depends on what you're going to Deep Fry, but you generally need something pretty big. Personally I use my Wok. It's big enough to hold a few litres of oil and it's much smaller at the base than at the rim, meaning i get a great depth:volume ratio (The amount of oil you have to put in to achieve the depth required to cover a certain piece of food. Because the wok is a tapered shape, you put much less in). If you're like kleph and deep fry entire birds, you're gonna want something massive.

Now this is important; don't ever fill your receptacle up all the way. Remember what I said about buying a bigger pot if you need to? Very important. When you add food to the oil, the volume is going to increase quite a bit. Firstly because of displacement (Eureka!), and secondly because the oil is going bubble up a whole bunch. If your pot isn't big enough, it's going to go over the sides real fast and hit the flame or element and catch fire even quicker. You don't want this to happen, ever. Even if you're curious. It's a bad, bad thing.

To be on the safe side, I'd only recommend filling a pot HALF way with oil. 2/3 at the most. If you do that and putting your food in the oil isn't going to cover it, or is going to cause it to over flow, buy a bigger pot.

The other thing you'll need is some sort of implement to get the food into and out of the oil. Don't just drop it in. It will splash. Don't try to take it out with your fingers either. I use a frying basket. It's a wide mesh basket that I can put my food in, then put the whole thing in the oil, and when I'm done, lift it out and clip it to the side of the Wok to drain any excess oil before going any further. These are dirt cheap and there are many varieties. Slotted spoons are also good for pulling things out individually.

So, let's fast forward a a fair bit to clean up time. What to do with all that oil? Can you reuse it? The answer is yes. To an extent. The more times oil is heated, or exposed to oxygen for that matter, the lower smoke point gets, and the more it begins to break down. It's generally wise not to re-use oil more than a few times. You'll start to notice it changing colour and getting darker. Going from a crisp yellow to a nasty brown/orange. Colour is a good indicator. It'll start tasting bad too. What you want to do first, is let it cool off. A lot. It's really, really hot, and you don't want to spill it on anything. One because it'll probably start to melt whatever it hits, and two because oil is such a pain in the ass to clean up. So let it cool down, even as far as around room temperature. You'll notice that depending on what you've cooked, the oil contains anywhere between a few and a lot of floaties in varying sizes. You don't want these. You want to filter them out. You can buy coffee filters and use that, but it takes absolutely forever. If you can wait though, it does a hell of a job. A quicker option, and one that still filters out 99% of visible floaties is paper towel. I recommend a good quality one, like Handee Ultra, as it's quite a lot thicker, won't tear as easily under the saturation of oil, and acts as a better filter than the cheap stuff. There you go, a legitimate reason to actually buy the expensive paper towels. Once it's filtered through, pour it all back into where it came from and store it in a cool, dark place. Light and heat are the enemy when storing. If you have the space to refirgerate it, do so, as bacteria can live in it and make it go rancid. As hot as it's going to get, it's still not a good idea to breed E.Coli in your cooking oil. Ideally, it would be stored in a vaccuum sealed, opaque glass container, in darkness at a temperature under 4 C. You can work backwards from there. But be sure to check that your oil isn't off before using it.

Okay, I know I didn't actually include any recipes, but the main aim of the thread is to de-mystify the process a bit, because it's kind of daunting and downright dangerous when done improperly. I've typed for miles and I've probably overlooked at least a few things, so if you're interested, feel free to ask about anything you're unsure of and I'm positive those in the know won't hesitate to help. Likewise, feel free to contribute anything you think I've missed out on.

kleph
13-02-2006, 04:06 AM
:hail:

fenderbasher
13-02-2006, 05:26 AM
Good god, there's still hope for my cooking skills....

MisterBishi
13-02-2006, 05:33 AM
I dont think I've ever read a post that long in its entirety before.

Good work artery clogging canadian alien fella. :cool:

Aardvark
13-02-2006, 07:18 AM
Ahh Peanut oil. So fattening, yet oh so delicious

kleph
13-02-2006, 07:59 AM
try lard.

dwarfthrower
13-02-2006, 07:59 AM
Great post... I've only ever had one pot get past flashpoint and thankfully I was able to smother it with a big fuck-off chopping board before the flamey bits got outside the pot. Not an experience I'd ever want to chance again.

Benwah
13-02-2006, 10:19 AM
What do you do with your oil when it finally goes off?

kleph
13-02-2006, 10:26 AM
most oil can be strained and reused a few times then discarded. being organic, the trash should be fine. so, if you plan to fry chicken, make sure to keep an empty milk container for the cleanup.

you don't have real problems until you start using a lot of it like when you fry a turkey for instance. then it is best to find someplace that will dispose of it. if you are lucky, there will be a local service and sometimes restaurants will let you put it in their grease pit.

imp
13-02-2006, 10:39 AM
I have loads of jars of oil and such that I don't know how to get rid of from previous frying adventures. I keep them in the back shed till I can work out with council when they'll pick them up or how I should dispose of them.
So just popping the jars in the bin should be ok? They can't do anything else with it? I hate just bin'ing stuff..... land fills are nasty things.

When I deep fry I keep the original bottle i buy the oil in for storage and disposal. I buy about 6 litres at a time of Canola oil. (I use extra virgin olive oil for the rest of my cooking :))

Munchkin
13-02-2006, 10:47 AM
There was a tv programme on a couple of weeks back, something on the local news where my local council have started this new programme of collecting waste oil from restaurants etc and recycling it. Before they did that, the owners would have to pay to have the oil taken away and disposed of, and some people just chucked it down the sink, and so it clogged up the drains.

However with this new scheme, they council collected the oil free of charge and took it to a specialist place where it's treated and converted into bio-diesel.

Maybe your council provides something like that Imp ? If so, it's a pretty neat way of getting shot of it all

(Heres the link from the programme I was talking about http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2006/01/11/insideout_chipfat_feature.shtml )

imp
13-02-2006, 10:53 AM
There was a tv programme on a couple of weeks back, something on the local news where my local council have started this new programme of collecting waste oil from restaurants etc and recycling it. Before they did that, the owners would have to pay to have the oil taken away and disposed of, and some people just chucked it down the sink, and so it clogged up the drains.

However with this new scheme, they council collected the oil free of charge and took it to a specialist place where it's treated and converted into bio-diesel.

Maybe your council provides something like that Imp ? If so, it's a pretty neat way of getting shot of it all

(Heres the link from the programme I was talking about http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2006/01/11/insideout_chipfat_feature.shtml )
That's what I was thinking of yes. Apparently they do collections so it can be recycled but i'm not sure if they do it for households or not.
I might just take it all to the tip and dump it in the recycle area and get it treated there (if I can). I feel so bad contributing to landfill when I know it's not 100% necessary.

I'm also going to check with my mate who's a council ranger and see if he knows. I'll post back with an update for Sydney Geeks who want to rid themselves of old oil. :)

Donk
13-02-2006, 10:59 AM
I save up my used oil and give it to a local bloke who turns it into biodiesel for his own use.

dwarfthrower
13-02-2006, 11:08 AM
What do you do with your oil when it finally goes off?
I put it on the compost heap.

Benwah
13-02-2006, 11:52 AM
I put it on the compost heap.

hmmmm, I have a herb garden and I was thinking of starting a veggie patch which would require a compost heap, and I could imagine veg oil/olive oil/lard would give it a good kick in the guts and get it all nice and rotty = good compost, thats a project for the weekend I think. cheers green thumb.

imp
13-02-2006, 01:20 PM
Compost hey? That's not a bad idea. :) I was thinking of getting a compost bin for the place soon and popping it in the backyard.

Snapple
13-02-2006, 01:58 PM
I only use Olive oil, I have read that other oils, such as vegetable, are really bad for you, and all oils should not be eaten above room temp. But then that does defeat the purpose of deep frying, so I don’t listen to that one.

Benwah
13-02-2006, 02:04 PM
There are three types of oils.

Saturated, non-saturated and transfatty acids.

Mosts veg oils (including olive oil) are Non-Saturated and 'better for you' that Saturated oils/fats, having said that SOME Saturated fat isn't such a bad thing, containing things fat soluble Vitamins as well as essential acids.

Transfatty/modified oils and fats should be avoided at all costs, they are manufactured to stop going rancid at very high temperatures and are full of what I'll call 'bad shit' (basical proven to do damage on a cellular level) olive oil is probably the worst to use for deep frying because at high temps it changes and goes rancid.

imp
13-02-2006, 02:13 PM
I only use Olive oil, I have read that other oils, such as vegetable, are really bad for you, and all oils should not be eaten above room temp. But then that does defeat the purpose of deep frying, so I don’t listen to that one.

Deep Frying with Olive Oil is a bit dicey since it smokes/catches fire at such a low temp. :) That's why I deep fry with canola and use Olive Oil for the rest.

Snapple
13-02-2006, 05:14 PM
Deep Frying with Olive Oil is a bit dicey since it smokes/catches fire at such a low temp. :) That's why I deep fry with canola and use Olive Oil for the rest.

Thats probably why what-ever I deep fry is burned on the outside and raw in the middle :confused:

Benwah, that is good info, I wil take note. :)

dwarfthrower
13-02-2006, 05:16 PM
Yeah... olive oil is purely for sauteing... or as salad dressing.

pinchy
13-02-2006, 07:53 PM
walnut oil is my favourite for salads... makes a nice french dressing with white wine vinegar, salt, pepper and whole grain dijon mustard...
/hijack

kleph
13-02-2006, 11:01 PM
as pointed out above, you should select the right oil for the cooking job you have decided to undertake. when dealing with hot oil there is a safety factor that eclipses pretty much everything else.

Donk
13-02-2006, 11:10 PM
A good fire blanket is probably a worthwhile investment.

kleph
14-02-2006, 12:48 AM
well, there usually not any problem if you follow basic kitchen safety rules. you should already have some type of fire extinguisher close by. because one of the most important things to remember when doing this type of cooking is water + oil = bad.

Canalien
14-02-2006, 01:42 AM
hope you don't mind if i amend your equation just a little kleph..

oil + fire + water = bad

oil + skin + water = good

some tips if you are ever faced with flare up.

do NOT add water. you'll find yourself face to face with a really angry fireball as the water and oil repel each other and go everywhere.

if you can, turn the heat off, but do NOT move the pot. any disturbance to the oil is more than likely to accelerate the fire.

to put it out before your house burns down (and it will, oil burns for a long time) use a dry power fire extinguisher, or smother it with a fire blanket. baking powder is also good.

if you get any on you, get your skin under cold running water and leave it there for a good 20 minutes no matter what. if it's more than a few drops (as in, you've been properly splashed), as soon as it's under water call an ambulance. if the burn is covered by clothing, do NOT remove it, you can really fuck up the burnt skin. the paramedics will deal with it properly.

play it safe though and you won't have to worry about any of that ;)

Jimma
14-02-2006, 02:09 AM
The only time I've ever deep fried anything was when I worked at Maccas back in the day. We used to get bored and see what'd happen when we fried random things. You should see what a deep fried Maccas name badge looks like.

Really good thread Canalien, very informative.

kleph
14-02-2006, 04:09 AM
do NOT add water. you'll find yourself face to face with a really angry fireball as the water and oil repel each other and go everywhere.


this is also how you see cooks in commercials create those cool looking spurts of flame that explode up from their saute pans. all they have done is saute something simple in olive oil then added a little bit of water. that causes it to create a little cloud of oil spray around the pan, which the tip toward the open flame and WHOOOSH!

sounds cool and all but you need to know what you are doing. one hotshot at a restaurant i worked at that had the cook line open to the floor tried this one night to impress the chicks but what he actually succeeded in doing was setting the hoods on fire. (they tend to have a bit of grease in them as well)

because anytime you put something with moisture into oil it will expand, dramatically. so when frying a turkey, for example, you don't want to fill the pot to the brim or even close to it because it is going to run over and in a violent manner to boot.

this is also why you don't put anything frozen into hot oil. it will thaw rapidly, pouring more moisture into the oil. the expansion will start violently and continue unabated. if the oil catches fire you then have a red adair-level fireball emergency on your hands.

Jimma
14-02-2006, 04:12 AM
I remember once there was some orange essence burning inside an ash tray on an outside table at a friends house. It'd been there for an hour or so burning harmlessly. Some dumb slag walks past, sees it, and throws a cup of water onto it. She got all these burns down her arm and destroyed my friends market umbrella, as well as putting some nice black marks all over his eaves. Good times.

TheBloatedFish
14-02-2006, 07:03 AM
this is also how you see cooks in commercials create those cool looking spurts of flame that explode up from their saute pans. all they have done is saute something simple in olive oil then added a little bit of water. that causes it to create a little cloud of oil spray around the pan, which the tip toward the open flame and WHOOOSH!


Normally a chef will actually just be adding alcohol to the pan it then lights the alcohol of the flame. This makes the alcohol burn away and just leaves the flavour of said alcohol to enrich the dish. This is known as a Flambe.

kleph
14-02-2006, 07:17 AM
that is a real cooking technique used for specific dishes. i was refering to the line cook showing off only. the flambe flame is usually blue and burns rather quickly. the oil flame is very bright and orange and definately gets people's attention.

Kez
17-02-2006, 09:54 AM
Should add stuff about the saftey of using oil to cook.

Don't throw water on oil that is on fire. Remain calm, and cover it with a fire blanket or a CO2 extinguisher.

Water + Oil on Fire = Large explosion and possibly flashover depending on the vapour of the oil in the air.

royale
17-02-2006, 10:38 AM
Great info, just a few points...
No vegetable oil contains cholesterol. Cholesterol is found exclusively in animal products (and is in fact made by your own body if you don’t eat enough to keep your levels up).
Cottonseed oil is fantastic for deep frying and can be used more times before being tossed out.
Olive oil sucks for all frying (deep or shallow), keep it for your salads people, or if you have to fry with it, use highly refined stuff, or low temperatures.

hazza
20-03-2006, 04:18 PM
we have like a mini deep fryer thing, its fucking wicked if you use it properly. my mum uses it to make springrolls, home made chips, schnitlze n shit. wicked cool.

Canalien
20-03-2006, 04:30 PM
those can be good and bad. the bad thing is that you can't put much in it. the good thing is that they usually have a carbon filter or something similar on top to stop oil vapours escaping and cacking up your kitchen

hazza
20-03-2006, 04:47 PM
yeah, couldnt fit a turkey in there for sure.