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jihadi
31-03-2006, 01:47 PM
Here is an intelligent analysis of the situation in Iraq & the options open to the crusaders.

Three years into Operation Iraqi Freedom one thing should be apparent: Iraq was not a cakewalk. Maybe the fight against the Iraqi military on the open battlefield was a cakewalk, but everything since President Bush declared an end to major combat operations on May 1, 2003 has been anything but. And it should be clear that resolving the current situation will also not be a cakewalk.

So what's a superpower to do? The United States basically has three options: the good, the bad, and the ugly.

The "good" option is probably better described as the least bad option. The administration needs to give up on its fantasy of creating a democracy in Iraq. Instead, the United States must be realistic, make the best of an admittedly bad situation, and do what's in the best interest of U.S. national security: fashion an expeditious military exit, whatever government is formed in Iraq – even an Islamic government – as long as it does not harbor or support terrorists who would do harm to the United States.

The "bad" option is pouring more troops into Iraq. The history of the British experience in Northern Ireland (a close parallel to America's precarious position in Iraq) suggests a need for as many 500,000 troops. But the paradox of a larger force is that it would only make the problem worse – confirming that the United States is an occupying power and increasing Iraqi resentment and resistance among the general population.

The "ugly" option is the course the Bush administration seems to be charting, which is a faux exit. The current administration plan (if you can call it that) is a train wreck in the making. It is the worst of all worlds – a combination of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, where military action to suppress the insurgency creates more new terrorists and an endless cycle of violence; the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, where Muslims from around the region (if not the world) flock to Iraq for jihad against the American infidel; and our own experience in Lebanon in the 1980s, when U.S. forces got caught in the crossfire of a civil war.

Complete text (http://www.antiwar.com/pena/?articleid=8771)

IamSpartacus
01-04-2006, 06:47 AM
So Jihadi, which option do you support the good, the bad, or the ugly ?

jihadi
02-04-2006, 03:35 AM
The crusaders hand power to the National Assembly & leave.

IamSpartacus
02-04-2006, 06:56 AM
Cue civil war.

In case of civil war who hosts refugees from the crisis. Neighbouring countries, or do the former occupiers accept refugees.

Refugee influx thus includes percentage of resitance fighters and thus the 'troubles' spill outside of Iraq potentially in a very major way.

For this prime reason (let's ignore petroleum issues) it is not on the occupier's agenda.

BTW ... I still concur that it is the most honourable exit strategy as a partial recompense for a period of shame.

Bostonmess
02-04-2006, 07:07 AM
It appears to be heading that way anyway. I say get the Arab League in. If you think about it: What is the reason for the insurgents hating the Yanks/coalition? It's 'cos they're Yanks, they're the invaders, they're not Islamic.

jihadi
03-04-2006, 03:00 PM
Cue civil war..
Nothing is certain. The crusader's current policy is no better. If there is a civil war, at least it is the people of
Iraq who will decide the outcome.

btwong
03-04-2006, 03:25 PM
If there is a civil war, at least it is the people of Iraq who will decide the outcome.
i would have to agree.

They don't want other countries deciding their fate, they want to do it themselves. And if i was in their situation... so would i.

Sutter
03-04-2006, 03:56 PM
There is a fourth option..... (http://www.zgeek.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50141)

nrejones
03-04-2006, 04:55 PM
Yes, I think the US should pull out ASAP and see if the Iraqis can make a go of it as civilized society.
However, the best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour, as such- I don't think the Iraqi people will ever be able to be governed by anything but a dictator. They are simply too populated with fanatics who will only ever respect the barrell of a gun.

It is very sad the US has lost so many promising young blokes to what was, from the very begining, a lost cause.

jihadi
03-04-2006, 06:21 PM
However, the best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour, as such- I don't think the Iraqi people will ever be able to be governed by anything but a dictator. They are simply too populated with fanatics who will only ever respect the barrell of a gun..

The fanatics are outsider jihadis, not Iraqis. Once the crusaders leave, the outsiders will leave also, or we Iraqis will force them to leave.

When interpreting the history of Iraq, you mut remember that all through our modern history, Iraq has suffered meddling by western powers from the British who installed King Feisal to the Americans who supported Saddam to fight Iran. How can you expect the people to submit when their government is a stooge of outside powers only bent of enriching or empowering themselves.

IamSpartacus
03-04-2006, 09:19 PM
Jihadi, and once the crusaders leave, will you then be an Iraqi ? .... or a Shia, a Sunni, a Kurd, Assyrian, Wahabbist ?... or perhaps even tribal again ?

jihadi
05-04-2006, 12:05 PM
Why does it matter if I am an Iraqi, an Arab, a Sunni Muslim, supporter of Al-Talaba F.C...
These categories Sunni, Shia, Kurd, the invaders are obsessed with these categories. I'm only concerned with one category, crusader vs Iraqi.