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Bifrost
09-04-2006, 05:44 PM
I was given this book as a gift and I was a little confused to begin with. First of all, I am not a serious reader; I read, but not quickly and not often. To be given a book about pandas was just a little odd. Once I had read the back cover, I was chuckling heartily and was happy that this book had been given to me - an almost evangelical grammar pedant.

I began the book and giggled often throughout the first chapter. This was a description of the very type of anger I feel whenever I see a sign like "apple's and orange's $2/kg" or "CD's & DVD's". It does make me want to paint over the incorrect apostrophe; it does make me want to shake the sign writer who obviously has no idea that each punctuation mark has a correct and an incorrect use.

Lynne Truss had, in the space of 1 short chapter, at once impressed me with her fervor and had me laughing along. I thought I was in for a rollicking old time...and then it happened: Chapter 2. The book which had started so well began to degenerate into explanation. Though certainly not as dry and painful as your average style guide, Eats, Shoots & Leaves is not a laugh a minute. Perhaps a laugh an hour. Yes, I think I managed a laugh an hour.

The chapters following the first were just not as witty. The author had found herself needing to explain punctuation and lacking a light-hearted way in which to do it. Sure, some of her examples were humorous, some of the history was very interesting, though unfortunately for her end-result the subject of punctuation is nigh impossible to make entertaining.

With this in mind, Lynne Truss has done pretty bloody well. I read the book through and despite the fact that it took me considerably longer than the average J.K. Rowling or David Gemmell novel, it educated me on the one punctuation mark with which I have always had trouble: the semi-colon.

Not that I have never used it, on the contrary, I will generally bung one in when I can't decide whether to use a full-stop or a comma. This is not exactly the right way in which to use a semi-colon though is it? In fact what the hell is a semi-colon for anyway? If I need a pause, I will use a comma. If I need to separate a list, I will use several commas, then place a nice "and" before the final item or instead use a proper bulleted list. I do, however, quite like semi-colons; (see?) perhaps it is my own need to feel superior to other writers that has always drawn me to the little-used mark.

I would almost have felt a kindred spirit in Lynne Truss had she not been so overtly superior in the tone of her explanations, that I felt quite disturbed. Still, she taught me to stop being afraid of the semi-colon and now I use it with gay abandon*; sprinkling the glorious things everywhere; fairly saturating my writing with dots above commas. It's really quite liberating.

As a tribute to my new-found semi-colonic freedom, I can say that Eats, Shoots & Leaves is an excellent guide to the use of correct punctuation in English. Just humorous enough to keep you going and just serious enough to get you on the right track in your writing (or sign writing).

So perhaps the instant appeal of this book will not be apparent to the grammar and punctuation philistine, however, this book should be compulsory reading not only for all English-speaking highschool students & their teachers, but for every damned shop owner and sign writer in the English-speaking world.

-- Bifrost


* This is not a comment on gay people, nor a claim that they have any greater penchant for abandonment than straight people

Chocoholic
09-04-2006, 06:32 PM
I think I will buy this book. I need all the help I can get.

eeefreak
09-04-2006, 06:58 PM
my mum gave me this book and it's a fucking cracker :) nice job bitfrost

Deimos
10-04-2006, 12:31 AM
"The Panda Says No!"

Agreed. This is an awesome book. I gave a copy of this book to a friend for his birthday, which conveniently fell only a week after we had had a debate on the correct usage of the semicolon (of course, I was correct).

Cassa
10-04-2006, 01:00 AM
Punctuation (and grammar) should be taken seriously :mad:

dozer
10-04-2006, 01:04 AM
Punctuation (and grammar) should be taken seriously :mad:

is that angry face supposed to be a full stop?

kleph
10-04-2006, 01:05 AM
I would almost have felt a kindred spirit in Lynne Truss had she not been so overtly superior in the tone of her explanations, that I felt quite disturbed.

superior tone? she's a downright bitch through long stretches of the book. and her self effacing manner makes it even more irksome. she reminded me of that do-it-all snob you knew in high school that was president of all the clubs, the pet of every teacher and class president. you know, the type reese witherspoon nailed to perfection in "election."

the book is a zippy read and certainly performs a public service but it completely gets enraptured with its own nerdic hedonism. remember there is another way to avoid punctuation pitfalls - shorten your sentences. why strew colons, semicolons and god-knows-what-else throughout your prose when a period and comma is all you need to get the point across?

fact is, if more folks who felt the need to use semicolons resorted more often to periods their writing would be a hell of a lot clearer. i bet you that while a properly used semicolon might give any decent copy editor a little thrill of delight, their job would be a shitload easier if writers clarified their prose and eschewed the need for them altogether.

truss also writes around the very basic fact that punctuation is as organic as the language itself. the purpose of punctuation is to make reading the language clearer but, as symbols themselves, their use and importance can alter as much as any word. before 1990 nobody regularly used an ampersand and i bet dollars to doughnuts that "you're" transmorgifies to "your" within fifty years do to its ubiquity in copy due to touch-sensitive keyboards.

reading books like this one makes me want to resort to the other extreme best exemplified by william faulkner who wrote quite a few classic tomes with nary a care about punctuation. in fact, when one of his editors complained about a lack of periods in one of his manuscripts, faulkner promptly mailed him a page of periods and told him to include them wherever he felt necessary.

Bifrost
11-04-2006, 07:46 PM
I dig the Faulkner annecdote, that's well cool.

Now...I am split on what you have to say about the evolution of language. Whilst I believe that language must evolve and people must get the fuck over a few things, I felt that she did (to an extent) accept this and allow the reader to go with the current flow.

I also think that there MUST be something holding our language at least a little bit together. If we allowed the language to evolve the way it is heading at the moment with every man, his dog and its fleas posting on the forums (see? I'm with the times, it SHOULD be "fora"), chatting on IM, sending text messages and generally using the language predominantly for the sheer speed of communication, there has to be somewhere we draw the line.

When people start posting in here with the text-style and I can't understand it and it literally takes me longer to read it bothers me; as does the constant misuse of words like "then" and "than" which mean completely different things; as does the misuse of commas which cause the reader to stumble over sentences rather than take them in.

I mean I suppose if we were to look into the future of language and punctuation, perhaps we will see a written language essentially without rules, where one can write whatever the hell they want, however the hell they want as long as the reader can understand it.

But I still can't wrap my head around how that's going to work without rules.

Zan
20-04-2006, 09:30 AM
I'm a spelling and grammar pendant. I generally become quite annoyed when I have to deal with "than/then", "your/you're" and other variations on that theme. However, I have conceded that it is likely such things will become more commonplace as they spread. I would put forward the suggestion that it would be acceptable to condense then/than to either state for both meanings, differentiated by context only (similar to the word 'tear') if and only if the population that uses the two forms interchangeably is not afforded any benefit from the 'proper' spelling.

To clarify:

If xwill0wx sends a message to xBlackHeart0x containing 'i will be at hot topic at 8, meet me than' and xBlackHeart0x doesn't need to take an extra step to internally re-parse 'than' into 'then', there is no reason for them to continue to differentiate between the two forms.

Bifrost
20-04-2006, 10:33 AM
But what if we to meet in a place other then say Richmond Station

Then and than are different words which could become confused in certain circumstances if they were to be actually interchangeable. They are not, nor should they be interchangeable.

Saying that we should mere "then" and "than" is like saying we should merge "when" and "where", just because they sound sort of the same.

fenderbasher
20-04-2006, 07:42 PM
I'll definitely have to check this out.
While I tend to have a very well-developed sense of grammar, punctuation, and spelling, I find that I tend to write to the level of message I'm trying to get across.
General email, I don't worry about grammar and capitalization but spelling is always a must.
Reports and presentations at work get the full treatment, along with formal verbiage. Big and complicated words are the norm, as I hold engineers and managers to a higher standard and fuck 'em if they don't know what a word means; they'll never admit they don't know it...

jannon
21-04-2006, 06:53 PM
Cool, I'''ll check it out.

Haggisboy
18-06-2006, 11:04 AM
As an Editor this book intrigues me. Thanks for the review.

Canalien
11-12-2006, 06:55 PM
before 1990 nobody regularly used an ampersand

Surely you mean the Commercial At (@) not the Ampersand (&)...

Hairyman
11-12-2006, 08:17 PM
I loved this book. I love being able to use the Oxford Comma with full force.

chalmo
02-08-2007, 03:49 AM
Saying that we should mere "then" and "than" is like saying we should merge "when" and "where", just because they sound sort of the same.

I would rather have him then/than her.

I would rather have him when/where it hurts.

True, the context of the sentence is changed, but it's not like it's incorrect.

jacko
03-11-2007, 02:14 PM
"I" just don't get it ,at all .!:dribble:

TheGorn
01-04-2008, 11:13 PM
Funny about the book title. I always thought it was about a guy eating out a chick's pantry, busting a nut, then making tracks.

I don't want to use the semi-colon with gay abandon - I want to use it like a rabid homosexual! Now go cleanse your colons (http://www.colonirrigationmelbourne.com.au/)