The Nuclear Bunker Buster (good animation)

[DOGG]

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html

[IamSpartacus]

Nice one Dogg. have supped it as a 1.6 Mb FLASH file (a .SWF) if anyone would like it for their collection(s).

http://media.putfile.com/Robust-Nuclear-Earth-Penetrator

[DOGG]

direct link for backup...

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/rnep.swf (play using IE, bypass the security warning, right click and hit 'play')

[Nodbugger]

Why would it only go down a few meters?

Our smallest bunker busters will go through 6ft of reinforced concrete.

That is is going to go down way farther than only a few meters, that thing will go through 60ft of dirt easily.

Then they go onto to say stuff about radiation. Have they ever heard of the sun?

Radiation is not a green ooze that can just be carried with the winds like people think. Some radiation isn't even dangerous.

Radiation is electro magnetic waves, these travel in straight lines, the only thing known to alter the course of electromagnetic waves is a black hole, and the earth doesn't have any black holes. Radioactive fallout, won't kill l3 million people that far away.

How do I know? Dispersion. The amount and type of radiation released from a bomb made with plutonium will only affect the area it exploded.

The radiation can "infect" dirt and the like, but everything will be so spread out that it won't cause much harm to anyone who wasn't close enough to see the explosion.

The whole animation is just filled with holes.

In World War 2 they had bunker busters that brought down entire bridges from the shock wave they created.

The Chinese used buried drums to warn of tunneling enemies, a pick axe made enough of a shock wave in the ground to vibrate a drum over 100m away. Don't sit there and tell me a Nuclear bomb will have no affect on concrete bunkers directly under it.

This flash is just another anti-US bullshit flash, it is worse than the one saying the Pentagon was hit by a missile.

[DOGG]

Congressional Research Service Report for Congress: “Bunker Busters”: Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator Issues, FY2005-FY2007

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL32347.pdf

[amj]

Radiation is electro magnetic waves, these travel in straight lines, the only thing known to alter the course of electromagnetic waves is a black hole, and the earth doesn't have any black holes. Radioactive fallout, won't kill l3 million people that far away.
:faint:
Now you're talking absolute shite on a scientific level.

There are in fact 3 (keeping it simple) types of radiation: alpha, beta and gamma. Alpha radiation is a Helium nucleus, beta is either an electron or positron and gamma is a gamma ray. So infact, you're wrong. Again.

Oh and as far as EM waves go, you're talking bollocks there as well. You don't need a black hole to alter the course of an EM wave. Ever heard of a mirror? Or perhaps diffraction? Or even reffraction, like when you look into water. These are all examples of an EM wave having it's course altered.

So just STFU yeah?

[amj]

Why would it only go down a few meters?

Our smallest bunker busters will go through 6ft of reinforced concrete.

That is is going to go down way farther than only a few meters, that thing will go through 60ft of dirt easily.



Source btw?

[darns]

:faint:
Now you're talking absolute shite on a scientific level.

There are in fact 3 (keeping it simple) types of radiation: alpha, beta and gamma. Alpha radiation is a Helium nucleus, beta is either an electron or positron and gamma is a gamma ray. So infact, you're wrong. Again.

Oh and as far as EM waves go, you're talking bollocks there as well. You don't need a black hole to alter the course of an EM wave. Ever heard of a mirror? Or perhaps diffraction? Or even diffraction, like when you look into water. These are all examples of an EM wave having it's course altered.

So just STFU yeah?

I think you pwned him well there. Nothing more to add lest it turns into another typical noddy-mud-slinging thread.

[Javaxcx]

Oh and as far as EM waves go, you're talking bollocks there as well. You don't need a black hole to alter the course of an EM wave. Ever heard of a mirror? Or perhaps diffraction? Or even diffraction, like when you look into water. These are all examples of an EM wave having it's course altered.


All Nodbugger's other rapings of science aside, this one should be quoted on the front page. Unless of course he has rational discourse to suggest that science is unamerican and working with the terrorists as well. :laughing:

Hey look! Lesbians!!!11

:lesbians:

[Mr Bigglesworth]

Oh and as far as EM waves go, you're talking bollocks there as well. You don't need a black hole to alter the course of an EM wave. Ever heard of a mirror? Or perhaps diffraction? Or even diffraction, like when you look into water. These are all examples of an EM wave having it's course altered.

So just STFU yeah?

Any source of gravity will affect the course of EM waves, even light which is obviously a form of EMR is bendable.

On Noddys subject of radiation not being dispersed by wind, hes obviously wrong as can be demonstrated by Chernobyl, where radioactive particles from the plant were reported in France, Italy and Sweeden, several thousand kilometers away, where livestock was killed because of radiation poisoning. While uranium and plutonium may be heavy, its still subject to the same laws of physics as everything else, and with a small enough particle and strong enough weather patterns, it can go anywhere.

One more example, the Poms blew up 20kgs of uranium at Maralinga in South Australia, and of that 20kgs, only 1.5kgs has ever been retrieved with the remainder being dispersed over a huge area. Theres a reason why cancer rates in Australia are amongst the worlds highest, you know.

While I definitely am not a nuclear physicist, I do know that Noddy is talking shite as always.

[Nodbugger]

:faint:
Now you're talking absolute shite on a scientific level.

There are in fact 3 (keeping it simple) types of radiation: alpha, beta and gamma. Alpha radiation is a Helium nucleus, beta is either an electron or positron and gamma is a gamma ray. So infact, you're wrong. Again.

Oh and as far as EM waves go, you're talking bollocks there as well. You don't need a black hole to alter the course of an EM wave. Ever heard of a mirror? Or perhaps diffraction? Or even diffraction, like when you look into water. These are all examples of an EM wave having it's course altered.

So just STFU yeah?

They still reflect off in a straight line, I dare you to find a mirror that will cause an em wave to curve.

And as I have said before, those may be particles, but still follow the same rules as the waves, they follow the same physics as waves, you use the same equations and such when dealing with them.

[Nodbugger]

Any source of gravity will affect the course of EM waves, even light which is obviously a form of EMR is bendable.

On Noddys subject of radiation not being dispersed by wind, hes obviously wrong as can be demonstrated by Chernobyl, where radioactive particles from the plant were reported in France, Italy and Sweeden, several thousand kilometers away, where livestock was killed because of radiation poisoning. While uranium and plutonium may be heavy, its still subject to the same laws of physics as everything else, and with a small enough particle and strong enough weather patterns, it can go anywhere.

One more example, the Poms blew up 20kgs of uranium at Maralinga in South Australia, and of that 20kgs, only 1.5kgs has ever been retrieved with the remainder being dispersed over a huge area. Theres a reason why cancer rates in Australia are amongst the worlds highest, you know.

While I definitely am not a nuclear physicist, I do know that Noddy is talking shite as always.


Can they absolutely prove that?

I can walk outside and I will be bombarded by radiation. Tons of it, all types.

The fact that "particles" made it there isn't doubtful, but to suggest enough made it there to wipe out millions of people? No, besides, a Nuclear reactor an an atomic bomb are much different. A nuclear reactor will never explode unless someone puts an explosive in it.

Cancer can be brought on by many many things, do you seriously think 18.5KG of uranium is going to affect that much? Everyday millions of tons of particles hit the earth from the sun, the sun is one giant Nuclear reaction.

[IamSpartacus]

from www.physicstoday.org Nov 2005 paper Nuclear Bunker Busters, Mini-Nukes, and the US Nuclear Stockpile by R.W.Nelson.

Extract from page 33 ... A nuclear device exploded just a few meteres underground, by contrast, couples its energy more efficiently to ground motion and generates a much more intense and damaging shock than wouls an air burst of the same yield. ... Exploding a 10-kt nuclear bomb at a depth of 2m underground, for example, would increase the effective yield by a factor of about 20 and result in underground damage equivalent to that of a 200-kt weapon exploded at the surface.

To exploit that efficiency, in 1997 the US replaced its againg 9-megaton bombs with a lower-yield but earth penetrating 300-kt model by putting the nuclear warhead from an earlier bomb design into a strengthened alloy-steel casing and a new nose cone. When dropped onto a dry lakebed from 12 km, the missile penetrated a modest 6m.

The paper goes on to say that earth penetators are at most capable to 10-20m depth given realistic material strengths ... but a depth of 90m is needed for full containment of a 1-kt weapon.

[IamSpartacus]

I must give the UK and France a resounding hurrah for being astute enough to undertake the majority of their nuclear testing on the far side of the earth.

Ha ha ha to America for undertaking its nuclear testing in its own back yard (errrmmm, and in Japan).

Any before I get pummeled for that one ... yes I know there's all sorts of nukey shit in the air and the food chain here in the UK from everyone's nuclear testing frenzy ; well over 500 explosions in 50 years if I remember rightly ... (errrrrm and from Chernobyl)

[Nodbugger]

I must give the UK and France a resounding hurrah for being astute enough to undertake the majority of their nuclear testing on the far side of the earth.

Ha ha ha to America for undertaking its nuclear testing in its own back yard (errrmmm, and in Japan).

Any before I get pummeled for that one ... yes I know there's all sorts of nukey shit in the air and the food chain here in the UK from everyone's nuclear testing frenzy ; well over 500 explosions in 50 years if I remember rightly ... (errrrrm and from Chernobyl)

I do believe France was the last country to test a nuclear weapon within the earths atmosphere.

http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/nukes/ctbt/read8.html

[IamSpartacus]

And don't forget ... US nuke tests in Nevada possibly killed John Wayne www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_016.html; I suppose that's just dispersal then ?.


....but then again the duke was also a chain smoker too.

[Javaxcx]

They still reflect off in a straight line, I dare you to find a mirror that will cause an em wave to curve.

I challenge you to find a black hole that causes ANY wave to "curve". The only statement you've made in this whole schpiel that has implied correctness is that waves travel in straight lines. Black holes (or any massive mass) cause the space around them to warp in a manner precisely similar to that when you drop a bowling ball on a taught sheet. The waves still travel in straight lines, but create the illusion of curvature because, like a funnel, the straight-line distance from point A to a point B directly opposite to the other side is actually an arc. That's why the light (lets see if you can figure that one out) appears to have curved when in actuality, it has travelled in a staight line.

[Javaxcx]

Cancer can be brought on by many many things, do you seriously think 18.5KG of uranium is going to affect that much? Everyday millions of tons of particles hit the earth from the sun, the sun is one giant Nuclear reaction.

The difference between the greatly filtered radiation of the sun and an unfiltered radiation source is pretty simple. Life evolved (omg evolution) in such a way that the radiation from the sun that actually manages to reach us won't have massively detrimental effects on a species. Our magetosphere, ionosphere, and about 5 other -spheres surround our planet ensuring that a lot of the potentially lethal radiation from our sun doesn't have the energy to actually cause wide-spread mutations in our genome.

The problem with a nuclear fall-out is that much of that radiation is unfiltered. In fact, it's pretty potent the way it is. The extremely high energy particles are able to destablize otherwise stable particles in virtually anything they come across, and when a single frameshift mutation in our DNA can cause untold chaos, that's a serious issue. There are no ionospheres covering our bodies to protect us from these reactions. We simply absorb them and take the brunt. You would be surprised how easy it actually is for a single cell to be fucked up by these particles, and further how that cell can become cancerous.

[amj]

They still reflect off in a straight line, I dare you to find a mirror that will cause an em wave to curve.

And as I have said before, those may be particles, but still follow the same rules as the waves, they follow the same physics as waves, you use the same equations and such when dealing with them.

haha, nice try.

Firstly, you said "alter the course of", not "bend". Obviously a mirror won't bend the wave but it will alter the course (note that a lense will bend the light though). Notice the subtle difference. You like to pick up on techinicalities alot so I'd expect you to be more careful (well, not really but whatever).

I can however, show you a diffraction grating which would cause the wave to curve. Although i'm not so keen on using the term "bend" in this sense, as it's much better to consider it as a set of diverging wavefronts. But as Mr Bigglesworth said, any gravitational source will bend an EM wave; the earth for example.

As for your last point, I don't recall you ever mentiong your ideas on wave-particle duality. And secondly, you can not necessarily use the same ideas for waves and particles. As a quick example, the rest energy of a particle is calculated is calculated using E rest=mc^2 . Now clearly you can't use this equation with a wave (mass of a wave =??). Also, there is a fundamental difference between gamma (a wave) and the other types of radioactive decay (leading to the respective radiation): gamma decay results in the same number of protons and neutrons both before and after decay. I feel no need to go into why this is important (I could go on forever here) but suffice to say that it is.

That's probably excessive physics but I hope i've made my point. I would be interested if you could tell me some of that physics that's the same to both cases though (more out of curiosity as to if you know what you're on about or if that's just a lucky guess you've pulled out of your arse. I'll guess the latter)

[Nodbugger]

haha, nice try.

Firstly, you said "alter the course of", not "bend". Obviously a mirror won't bend the wave but it will alter the course (note that a lense will bend the light though). Notice the subtle difference. You like to pick up on techinicalities alot so I'd expect you to be more careful (well, not really but whatever).

I can however, show you a diffraction grating which would cause the wave to curve. Although i'm not so keen on using the term "bend" in this sense, as it's much better to consider it as a set of diverging wavefronts. But as Mr Bigglesworth said, any gravitational source will bend an EM wave; the earth for example.

As for your last point, I don't recall you ever mentiong your ideas on wave-particle duality. And secondly, you can not necessarily use the same ideas for waves and particles. As a quick example, the rest energy of a particle is calculated is calculated using E rest=mc^2 . Now clearly you can't use this equation with a wave (mass of a wave =??). Also, there is a fundamental difference between gamma (a wave) and the other types of radioactive decay (leading to the respective radiation): gamma decay results in the same number of protons and neutrons both before and after decay. I feel no need to go into why this is important (I could go on forever here) but suffice to say that it is.

That's probably excessive physics but I hope i've made my point. I would be interested if you could tell me some of that physics that's the same to both cases though (more out of curiosity as to if you know what you're on about or if that's just a lucky guess you've pulled out of your arse. I'll guess the latter)


I think it was Einstein that said everything that moves has mass. So a wave has mass, just something we can't measure.

[Nodbugger]

I challenge you to find a black hole that causes ANY wave to "curve". The only statement you've made in this whole schpiel that has implied correctness is that waves travel in straight lines. Black holes (or any massive mass) cause the space around them to warp in a manner precisely similar to that when you drop a bowling ball on a taught sheet. The waves still travel in straight lines, but create the illusion of curvature because, like a funnel, the straight-line distance from point A to a point B directly opposite to the other side is actually an arc. That's why the light (lets see if you can figure that one out) appears to have curved when in actuality, it has travelled in a staight line.

The gravity is so great from a black hole even light cannot escape it, I dare you to find anything that will cause light to move towards it.

[Nodbugger]

The difference between the greatly filtered radiation of the sun and an unfiltered radiation source is pretty simple. Life evolved (omg evolution) in such a way that the radiation from the sun that actually manages to reach us won't have massively detrimental effects on a species. Our magetosphere, ionosphere, and about 5 other -spheres surround our planet ensuring that a lot of the potentially lethal radiation from our sun doesn't have the energy to actually cause wide-spread mutations in our genome.

The problem with a nuclear fall-out is that much of that radiation is unfiltered. In fact, it's pretty potent the way it is. The extremely high energy particles are able to destablize otherwise stable particles in virtually anything they come across, and when a single frameshift mutation in our DNA can cause untold chaos, that's a serious issue. There are no ionospheres covering our bodies to protect us from these reactions. We simply absorb them and take the brunt. You would be surprised how easy it actually is for a single cell to be fucked up by these particles, and further how that cell can become cancerous.


True, but the amount of radiation coming from a Nuclear explosion isn't as much as what comes out from the sun.

Everything is radioactive to point, all "hot objects" emit radiation of all different wave lengths.

Uranium 235, which is used in Nuclear weapons isn't really dangerous outside of your body, it is an alpha particle emitter. You'd have to ingest a fairly decent amount of it to even hurt you from the inside. Its chemical properties will kill faster than its radioactive properties.

Same thing with Uranium 238, 238 is found in nearly all water, rock, and soil.

The sun shoots out much more dangerous radiation than will be found on uranium you may come across. Same thing for the plutonium used in nuclear weapons. Except the body doesn't absorb plutonium easily, so breathing it may hurt you, but your stomach will not absorb it and you will just pass it.

[Hairyman]

They still reflect off in a straight line, I dare you to find a mirror that will cause an em wave to curve.

And as I have said before, those may be particles, but still follow the same rules as the waves, they follow the same physics as waves, you use the same equations and such when dealing with them.

Diffraction applies to EM waves. qv Wave properties of light.

An example is the penumbra around the shadow of an eclipse.

I cannot believe you passed your physics course.

[Nodbugger]

Diffraction applies to EM waves. qv Wave properties of light.

An example is the penumbra around the shadow of an eclipse.

I cannot believe you passed your physics course.

Yes diffraction, I'm not talking about light entering a new medium, I'm talking about it staying in the same medium never hitting anything and it no longer stays in a straight line.

[munganah]

True, but the amount of radiation coming from a Nuclear explosion isn't as much as what comes out from the sun.


ah, i think you will find that the sun is lieke 90,000,000 odd miles from you champ.






side note: absolute love the fact that you just ignore others statements that pwn you totally, keep up the good work son.:faint:

[darns]

Why do people continue to argue with a brick wall? We all know he is AWARE that he has made a mistake with his statements. We all know he simply didn't want to admit defeat and is digging himself a bigger hole. And we all know our Physics.

So I say let's leave him to believe the world is flat and supported by infinite tortises if he wanted to.

The discussions about this thread, should be on the articles the starter (DOGG) posted, NOT the technicalities and further deviations into other topics that shouldn't belong to the "War" forums.

Perhaps next to the "DeathRow" forums, we should create one called "Nodbuggered" for those threads hijacked by Nodbuggery and stupidity.

[EvilMuppet]

Yes but anything that leaves noddy in a hole inthe ground is a good thing :P

[Nodbugger]

ah, i think you will find that the sun is lieke 90,000,000 odd miles from you champ.






side note: absolute love the fact that you just ignore others statements that pwn you totally, keep up the good work son.:faint:


My statements were only misunderstood and they provided information that seemed contrary to what I said, but don't pertain to the what I'm talking about.

[Boobmeister]

My statements were only misunderstood and they provided information that seemed contrary to what I said, but don't pertain to the what I'm talking about.

WTF??? LOL

[munganah]

My statements were only misunderstood and they provided information that seemed contrary to what I said, but don't pertain to the what I'm talking about.


Is that another way of say you were wrong:mdr:

[Boobmeister]

I read that to mean noddy's posts contradicted himself and he isnt talking about what he was talking about ... no wonder everyone fucking misunderstood them LOL

[druckfugged]

My statements were only misunderstood and they provided information that seemed contrary to what I said, but don't pertain to the what I'm talking about.
Am I to understand that what you meant is I know that you think you understand what I said but I'm not sure that you understand that what I said wasn't what I meant?
Apology accepted!

[darns]

Am I to understand that what you meant is I know that you think you understand what I said but I'm not sure that you understand that what I said wasn't what I meant?
Apology accepted!

Around here, we simplify this to:

I was wrong.

[Nodbugger]

No, I wasn't in in anyway.

You were just providing information in attempt to prove me wrong , but the information you provided had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

[Javaxcx]

Need a hand comprehending the English language again Nodbugger? Let's try this again:

Radiation is electro magnetic waves, these travel in straight lines, the only thing known to alter the course of electromagnetic waves is a black hole, and the earth doesn't have any black holes. Radioactive fallout, won't kill l3 million people that far away.

The underlined statement is one of two things: an absolutely false statement, as objects that have the ability to (in your words) "alter the course" of EM waves range from your everyday mirror to a defraction grating, or it is another fabulous example of your inability to form coherent argument points in this lovely English language. Since the former has been totally proven, it can be assumed that you will fall back onto the "well you didn't understand what I meant even though that wasn't what I said" argument that you tend to do.

I think you'll notice if you actually bother to proof read your posts that your entire propaganda argument is reliant on your "knowledge" of radiation. Since that doesn't exist anyway, we as a community can rightfully dismiss your uninformed and scientifically unproved opinion as usual Nodbugger stupidity, thereby going on to make fun you as you (as usual) try and cover your ridiculous tracks.

[Nodbugger]

Need a hand comprehending the English language again Nodbugger? Let's try this again:



The underlined statement is one of two things: an absolutely false statement, as objects that have the ability to (in your words) "alter the course" of EM waves range from your everyday mirror to a defraction grating, or it is another fabulous example of your inability to form coherent argument points in this lovely English language. Since the former has been totally proven, it can be assumed that you will fall back onto the "well you didn't understand what I meant even though that wasn't what I said" argument that you tend to do.

I think you'll notice if you actually bother to proof read your posts that your entire propaganda argument is reliant on your "knowledge" of radiation. Since that doesn't exist anyway, we as a community can rightfully dismiss your uninformed and scientifically unproved opinion as usual Nodbugger stupidity, thereby going on to make fun you as you (as usual) try and cover your ridiculous tracks.


They travel in straight lines statement assumes that they only travel in straight lines, even if it reflects or refracts it will still be traveling in a straight line, just in a different direction. You did not fully comprehend my statement, due to you not taking the entire statement into consideration.

A black hole is the only thing that will cause light to change course without it entering or hitting a new medium.

[Javaxcx]

I guess no one can I say I didn't call that one.

...mirror to a defraction grating, or it is another fabulous example of your inability to form coherent argument points in this lovely English language. Since the former has been totally proven, it can be assumed that you will fall back onto the "well you didn't understand what I meant even though that wasn't what I said" argument that you tend to do.

You're still technically wrong.

Also: Lesbians! :lesbians:

[Nodbugger]

I guess no one can I say I didn't call that one.



You're still technically wrong.

Also: Lesbians! :lesbians:

It is exactly what I said and should be assumed as so, and no i am not still technically wrong.

In a Black Hole, light traveling outwards towards an event horizon is pulled back by the very strong gravitational field, because of the warping of space-time inside the event horizon, regardless of the lack of a photon mass. This prevents light from ever escaping the Black Hole.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/030228a.html

Light does have a mass, but it is insanely small.

[Javaxcx]

Circle game circle game;
Nodbugger keeps playing and he is lame;
Circle game YAY!

That's not what you said punk. Keep digging, this is funny.

[Up_All_Night]

Javaxc, you're forgetting the 1st law of quantum mechanics, Noddy is Always right.



once again he's proven wrong, and as he claims he's not blah blah, it has no point to the argument or point at hand so, tis over worth arguing about.

[Nodbugger]

Javaxc, you're forgetting the 1st law of quantum mechanics, Noddy is Always right.



once again he's proven wrong, and as he claims he's not blah blah, it has no point to the argument or point at hand so, tis over worth arguing about.


I haven't seen anyone ,besides me ,prove anything.

[Up_All_Night]

you made a statement which didnt support the arguent you were making, this was pointed out, and you've gone onto, say, well blah blah that statement was correct, but not addressed your initial argument... but whatever everyone knows you're full of shit, no matter how much you try and convince yourself.

[pinchy]

I'm not going to even bother... Noddy, fuck off. Your grasp of pre-school physics is shocking at its best...Don't even try and play with the big boys on Nuclear physics.... go and re-learn the fundamental laws of gravity (again) by throwing yourself from a large tall building...

[Nodbugger]

I'm not going to even bother... Noddy, fuck off. Your grasp of pre-school physics is shocking at its best...Don't even try and play with the big boys on Nuclear physics.... go and re-learn the fundamental laws of gravity (again) by throwing yourself from a large tall building...


And I'm still right.

[munganah]

Aside from all that, nuclear warheads on bunker busters is probably a dumb idea and will probably produce more negative impact than positive in the long run.
Like the video says.
Thanks DOGG, was interesting.

[pinchy]

This message is hidden because Nodbugger is on your ignore list.

[CMYK]

Noddy:

I think you'll find that you can cause radiation to deflect using a magnetic field. You may also note that this occurs commonly in a television set, and less commonly in a cloud chamber and even in a cyclotron.

Unless you have a black hole in your TV as big as the one in your brain, then you are OWNED YET AGAIN.

[Nodbugger]

Noddy:

I think you'll find that you can cause radiation to deflect using a magnetic field. You may also note that this occurs commonly in a television set, and less commonly in a cloud chamber and even in a cyclotron.

Unless you have a black hole in your TV as big as the one in your brain, then you are OWNED YET AGAIN.


Actually you are wrong and you owned yourself.

http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/Electricity_and_Magnets/Magnets/20040825174745.htm

Magnetic fields in some cases can rotate photons, they won't suck them into or push them away from the magnetic field.

[pinchy]

Aside from all that, nuclear warheads on bunker busters is probably a dumb idea and will probably produce more negative impact than positive in the long run.
Like the video says.
A bunker buster is simply a hardened bomb designed to fall fast, penetrate the earth, and then explode.

Nuclear Bunker Busters are a good idea - if you don't care about the side effects. The idea is to use a Super Penetrator delivery vessel to place a Nuclear Warhead below the surface (10-15m or so below). The blast from the nuclear warhead causes a massive shockwave, destroying any subsurface fortifications. The problem is, the blast also pop's open a big hole (crater) above the warhead as there is no way of containing the blast to below the surface; thus allowing the radioactive fallout to spread.

Nuclear Bunker Busters such as the B161-11 are configurable between 10 and 300kilo tonne (Hiroshima was 15kilo tonne).

Other Conventional Bunker Busters include the GBU-27 and GBU-28 'Paveway' LGB.

[Up_All_Night]

plus with bunker busters, it depends on the surface you're trying tp penitrate. Irans a dry desolate place, the ground would be very hard.

Flew over iran during daylight last year when i went to europe... so a desolate landscap, look like it'd be torn the fuck apart, with little towns here and there amount jaggard mountains. very little vegitation from the looks of it.

[CMYK]

Actually you are wrong and you owned yourself.

http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/Electricity_and_Magnets/Magnets/20040825174745.htm

Magnetic fields in some cases can rotate photons, they won't suck them into or push them away from the magnetic field.

You were originally talking about radiation from bombs, not light, dumbo. You can't change the topic midstream.

You are a cunt. You owned yourself back. America lost Vietnam War and is losing Iraq War. You Yanks keep fucking up.

[IamSpartacus]

No-one has mentioned Neutrinos yet (any of the three types) !!!.

[darns]

Actually you are wrong and you owned yourself.

http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/Electricity_and_Magnets/Magnets/20040825174745.htm

Magnetic fields in some cases can rotate photons, they won't suck them into or push them away from the magnetic field.

Hahaha stop being confused with the verb "radiation" and noun "radiation". Differentiate the nuclear radiation (the topic you started off about) with the electromagnetic and other energy forms of radiation. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!

I recommend that you attend a school that teaches elementary physics. Thank you, please come again.

[Nodbugger]

Hahaha stop being confused with the verb "radiation" and noun "radiation". Differentiate the nuclear radiation (the topic you started off about) with the electromagnetic and other energy forms of radiation. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!

I recommend that you attend a school that teaches elementary physics. Thank you, please come again.


Then tell me what is the difference?

You seem to be one of the people that thinks Radiation is a green ooze thats turns people in glowing creatures.

[amj]

Then tell me what is the difference?

You seem to be one of the people that thinks Radiation is a green ooze thats turns people in glowing creatures.

You fag, didn't you read anything I wrote up there? You're partly right because gamma rays are EM waves ( I can't be bothered to research how much gamma is released from a typical nuclear warhead but i'm guessing not much). BUT you're also wrong because as I already stated, THERE IS ALSO ALPHA AND BETA RADIATION WHICH SURE AS FUCK ARENT EM WAVES YOU SHIT.

[darns]

Then tell me what is the difference?

You seem to be one of the people that thinks Radiation is a green ooze thats turns people in glowing creatures.

Electromagnetic radiation, a stream of photons. Gamma radiation, which is high-energy electromagnetic waves.

Gravitational radiation, a predicted consequence of general relativity.

Particle radiation, radiation by means of particles that have a rest mass.
Alpha radiation, composed of the nuclei of helium-4 atoms.
Beta radiation, consisting of energetic electrons or positrons.
Neutron radiation

[Nodbugger]

Electromagnetic radiation, a stream of photons. Gamma radiation, which is high-energy electromagnetic waves.

Gravitational radiation, a predicted consequence of general relativity.

Particle radiation, radiation by means of particles that have a rest mass.
Alpha radiation, composed of the nuclei of helium-4 atoms.
Beta radiation, consisting of energetic electrons or positrons.
Neutron radiation


They all share similar properties. You work with them all in the same matter.

[darns]

They all share similar properties. You work with them all in the same matter.

They are as similar as you and a dodo bird. Except, the dodo bird is extinct.

[Javaxcx]

They all share similar properties. You work with them all in the same matter.

You're still clueless as to how these weapons work! Gamma radiation specifically is emitted in larger quantities. Why the hell do you think this stuff lingers 50+ years after 1945? Why the hell do you think that fissionable material is so freaking volatile? This isn't an anti-america rant. This is experimentable science you nimrod.

I'll give you a hint: it's not "dispersion" like you thought you knew.

[Nodbugger]

You're still clueless as to how these weapons work! Gamma radiation specifically is emitted in larger quantities. Why the hell do you think this stuff lingers 50+ years after 1945? Why the hell do you think that fissionable material is so freaking volatile? This isn't an anti-america rant. This is experimentable science you nimrod.

I'll give you a hint: it's not "dispersion" like you thought you knew.


Neither plutonium or Uranium are gamma particle emitters. They don't send out much of it even when fission occurs.

The stuff lingers for fifty or so years because it changes the properties of things like soil and water. Adding electrons and so forth causing them to become "radioactive". Ionization.

[Javaxcx]

Are you for real? This has got to be a joke.

EDUCATION. (http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/radiation.htm)

You've gotten so wound up in this lack of knowledge you have that you've gone and contradicted yourself from the very beginning!

Radiation is electro magnetic waves, these travel in straight lines, the only thing known to alter the course of electromagnetic waves is a black hole, and the earth doesn't have any black holes. Radioactive fallout, won't kill l3 million people that far away.

How do I know? Dispersion. The amount and type of radiation released from a bomb made with plutonium will only affect the area it exploded.

If you mean to suggest that nuclear fallout only effects the region the bomb exploded in, and doesn't disperse in the air (especially seeing how the particles created are of lesser density then the cold air around them), you're fucking out of your mind.

[Nodbugger]

Are you for real? This has got to be a joke.

EDUCATION. (http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/radiation.htm)

You've gotten so wound up in this lack of knowledge you have that you've gone and contradicted yourself from the very beginning!



If you mean to suggest that nuclear fallout only effects the region the bomb exploded in, and doesn't disperse in the air (especially seeing how the particles created are of lesser density then the cold air around them), you're fucking out of your mind.

The particles "contaminate" water and soil, and those things become slightly radioactive. The original particles don't form a blanket as you seem to think.

Think of it this way.

You take a big flame and you heat up a bunch of different materials with that flame. Some things will set on fire others will have almost no effect on them at all. Some things will stay hotter longer, others not as long.

[darns]

And the hole gets deeper......

[Javaxcx]

You just don't get it.

If atomic nuclei capture neutrons when exposed to a flux of neutron radiation, they will, as a rule, become radioactive (neutron-induced activity) and then decay by emission of beta and gamma radiation over an extended period of time. Neutrons emitted as part of the initial nuclear radiation will cause activation of the weapon residues. In addition, atoms of environmental material, such as soil, air, and water, may be activated, depending on their composition and distance from the burst. For example, a small area around ground zero may become hazardous as a result of exposure of the minerals in the soil to initial neutron radiation. This is due principally to neutron capture by sodium (Na), manganese, aluminum, and silicon in the soil. This is a negligible hazard because of the limited area involved.

After an air burst the fission products, unfissioned nuclear material, and weapon residues which have been vaporized by the heat of the fireball will condense into a fine suspension of very small particles 0.01 to 20 micrometers in diameter. These particles may be quickly drawn up into the stratosphere, particularly so if the explosive yield exceeds 10 Kt. They will then be dispersed by atmospheric winds and will gradually settle to the earth's surface after weeks, months, and even years as worldwide fallout. The radiobiological hazard of worldwide fallout is essentially a long-term one due to the potential accumulation of long-lived radioisotopes, such as strontium-90 and cesium-137, in the body as a result of ingestion of foods which had incorporated these radioactive materials. This hazard is much less serious than those which are associated with local fallout and, therefore, is not discussed at length in this publication. Local fallout is of much greater immediate operational concern.

Soil and water are not the only things with particles and atomic nuclei in this world. When you understand this, we can move on.

[Plough]

He may have a better understanding if Japan had developed Nukes first.

[amj]

Neither plutonium or Uranium are gamma particle emitters. They don't send out much of it even when fission occurs.

The stuff lingers for fifty or so years because it changes the properties of things like soil and water. Adding electrons and so forth causing them to become "radioactive". Ionization.
:banghead:

RETARD!!!! GAMMA ISN'T A FUCKING PARTICLE!!!!!!!

[darns]

:banghead:

RETARD!!!! GAMMA ISN'T A FUCKING PARTICLE!!!!!!!

Naw it's useless. He'll just retort with technicalities regarding the particle-wave duality of electromagnectic waves.

OR

He can claim: My statements were only misunderstood and they provided information that seemed contrary to what I said, but don't pertain to the what I'm talking about.

[Nodbugger]

:banghead:

RETARD!!!! GAMMA ISN'T A FUCKING PARTICLE!!!!!!!


Which is why neither of them emit them. Nice try.

[amj]

Which is why neither of them emit them. Nice try.

:gavel:
What the fuck? You've glossed over my point with a completely unrelated sentence. I'm not debating the gamma emission of plutonium and uranium. I'm saying that you've referred to it as a particle when it's actually a wave.

Twat :balls:

[pinchy]

This message is hidden because Nodbugger is on your ignore list.


He's just a troll guys, just ignore him and he'll go away......

[CMYK]

I guess then, Nodfucker, that this article (http://smh.com.au/news/world/chernobyl-fall-out-continues/2006/04/26/1145861378587.html) from the SMH is completely wrong.

After all, you are much more qualified in just about every subject than the World Health Organisation.

(Oh, and just a reminder: USA LOST the Vietnam War)