U.S. Pressing Russia, China on Iran Vote

[nibls66]

U.S. Pressing Russia, China on Iran Vote

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 39 minutes ago

UNITED NATIONS - The United States said Saturday it was prepared to bring a U.N. resolution on Iran's nuclear program to a vote — with or without Russia and China's support — but was still seeking to bridge differences and win unanimous Security Council approval.

After an informal meeting at Britain's U.N. Mission, council members said they made progress in a paragraph-by-paragraph discussion of the draft resolution. Britain's U.N. Ambassador Emyr Jones Parry acknowledged, however, that the most contentious issues were not discussed in detail.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060507/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear

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it was nice knowing you all ( :

[Nodbugger]

You aren't smart.

[Spades]

he may be a dumshit but he hasnt started any wars, killed thousands of people and let half the world starve.....

[Nodbugger]

he may be a dumshit but he hasnt started any wars, killed thousands of people and let half the world starve.....


Neither has anyone else.

[Ic3]

Neither has anyone else.

I can think of two..Bush and Hussein!

[Nodbugger]

I can think of two..Bush and Hussein!


Neither could do anything by themselves.

[Evil Dan]

Neither could do anything by themselves.

Bush can't even go to the toilet by himself......

[asskickergod]

he may be a dumshit but he hasnt started any wars, killed thousands of people and let half the world starve.....

So it's not our responsibility to police the world, but it is our responsibility to provide it with free food?

[Up_All_Night]

well the problem is there is no set standard for policing and with the huge injustices and hypocracy, then no you shouldnt be the police of the world.


Giving food and aid should also be done in a fair manner which it is not, but that and policing the world for your own interests are not the same thing with the same motive behind them.

[asskickergod]

well the problem is there is no set standard for policing and with the huge injustices and hypocracy, then no you shouldnt be the police of the world.


Giving food and aid should also be done in a fair manner which it is not, but that and policing the world for your own interests are not the same thing with the same motive behind them.

The real problem is that the organization responsible for setting such standards, the UN, is comprized of limp wristed sissies that would much rather sit on their hands and refuse to acknowledge problems even exist until those problems spiral out of control.

Giving food and aid is impossible to coutries that have unstable or hostile governments. When you try to give free food in unstable regions it's seized by warlords and sold. So by offering free aid you accomplish nothing save increase the wealth of the warlords in power and adding instability to the region.

[kleph]

shouldn't you be having rabid ass sex with my mother?

[asskickergod]

shouldn't you be having rabid ass sex with my mother?

Probably.

[IamSpartacus]

And the USA did a real good job distributing aid and putting down warlords in Somalia. Ho ho ho. Or did the USA get kicked in the teeth and run away with its tail between its legs.

[asskickergod]

And what exactly is your point you rolling fuck stain? How does US success or failure in Somalia invalidate my point? Beyond that, how does it even relate to my point at all? You know what, don't even bother answering that. The fact that I've posted in this thread has already elevated it beyond the point where your rabid liberal douchebaggery can be relevant to it.

[Ic3]

And what exactly is your point you rolling fuck stain? How does US success or failure in Somalia invalidate my point? Beyond that, how does it even relate to my point at all? You know what, don't even bother answering that. The fact that I've posted in this thread has already elevated it beyond the point where your rabid liberal douchebaggery can be relevant to it.

And once again we just smile and nod, happily knowing that you'll be taking your pills again...

[nibls66]

Rice: Iran Letter Doesn't Resolve Standoff
By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer
28 minutes ago


Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is interviewed at the ...
NEW YORK - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice dismissed a letter that Iran's president sent to President Bush on Monday, saying the first direct communication from an Iranian leader in 27 years does not help resolve the standoff over Tehran's disputed nuclear program.

Iran's top nuclear negotiator called the surprise letter a new "diplomatic opening" between the two countries, but Rice said it was not.

http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2006/05/08/387261.html

[IamSpartacus]

Giving food and aid is impossible to coutries that have unstable or hostile governments. When you try to give free food in unstable regions it's seized by warlords and sold. So by offering free aid you accomplish nothing save increase the wealth of the warlords in power and adding instability to the region.


Asskickergod you seem to have only contempt for the UN (and I suppose you wholeheartedly support the USA's attempts at steerage and control of the UN); and your position also seems to be that aid cannot be distributed unless there are strings attached.

Now the mighty old USofA was giving out strings-attached aid in an unstable warlordy Somalia and got well owned. So badly caned that the USA ran away.

So what's your beef Asskickergod?. Are your arguing with historical fact ?. Seems pointless to me.

[IamSpartacus]

"... Iran's top nuclear negotiator called the surprise letter a new "diplomatic opening" between the two countries, but Rice said it was not...."


The letter is understood to contain historical summaries as well as political and religous overviews. Of course it is a diplomatic openening ... the first such correspondence between leaders of state in decades.

The letter also contains a reminder that the US backed a coup to topple the left-leaning government in the 1950s (which directly led to the USA-friendly Shah of Iran in an oil/gas rich country). The letter also reminds the USA that America was building a 28 (??) megawatt nuclear reactor during the Shah's reign and that Irans intent was to keep its civilian nuclear power programme within the capacity of this old plant.

Hmmmm, a nice diplomatic move in my opinion. Just as the the USA is pushing for a UN chapter 7 resolution on Iran this week.

[nibls66]

Iran Letter to Bush Criticizes U.S. Govt

By NICK WADHAMS and ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press Writer 58 minutes ago

NEW YORK -
Iran's president declared in a letter to President Bush that democracy had failed worldwide and lamented "an ever-increasing global hatred" of the U.S. government. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice swiftly rejected the letter, saying it didn't resolve questions about Tehran's suspect nuclear program.

"This letter is not the place that one would find an opening to engage on the nuclear issue or anything of the sort," Rice said in an interview with The Associated Press. "It isn't addressing the issues that we're dealing with in a concrete way."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060509/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_us

[asskickergod]

Asskickergod you seem to have only contempt for the UN (and I suppose you wholeheartedly support the USA's attempts at steerage and control of the UN); and your position also seems to be that aid cannot be distributed unless there are strings attached.

Now the mighty old USofA was giving out strings-attached aid in an unstable warlordy Somalia and got well owned. So badly caned that the USA ran away.

So what's your beef Asskickergod?. Are your arguing with historical fact ?. Seems pointless to me.

I've got a quick question. WHY THE FUCK IS ANY OF THAT RELEVENT TO MY ORIGINAL POINT? I haven't argued any historical facts. If anything you're the one trying to argue against the historical fact that you never have a clue what you're talking about. If anything, bringing up Somalia is a perfect example of the point I've already made, that giving aid to a war torn region is unwise and counter productive. I never made any claim that the US should get involved with these third world shit holes in any way. Then you come prancing in here with your burning American flags screaming about how the US lost in Somalia even though that assertion is very much debatable. Especially since you're only knowledge of the conflict comes from watching Black Hawk Down and beating off every time a US soldier gets shot.

This is yet another prime example of why close minded ass heads like you shouldn't be allowed to breathe let alone poison the Internet with your alternate versions of reality. Any shot you can take at the US, you have to take it and you're not concerned whether that shot is relevant or even has an iota of thuth to it.

[Evil Dan]

Third world shit holes eh ? Nicely put.

[asskickergod]

And once again we just smile and nod, happily knowing that you'll be taking your pills again...

So you're referring to yourself as "we" and inplying that I should be taking medication?

Or when you say "we" are you reffering to you and the parisites that infest your brain?

[IamSpartacus]

Hey Asskickerdog behave. Don't try and smear me with your conceited ignorance.

Back in the early 1990's there was a UN relief operation in Somalia. That mission was bogged down and the UN appealed for military support (escort). Prez George Bush 'senior' in a hey-I'm-a-good-guy ordered in the US armed forces as a end-of-prez term PR stunt to 'save the world'. Incoming Prez Clinton was a pussycat and took the blame along with General Garrison. The US fucked off home and left the (approx) 18,000 UN troops there .... mostly African and Asian.

Besides the numerous published papers and military doctrinal changes, you'll find Mark Bowden's book Black Hawk Down far more interesting than the very pro-American twist in the Ridley Scott directed film.

Oh yes there is also a computer game called Delta Force : Black Hawk Down. Duh !?!

Rather than write an essay for eachposting I do try and be more precise for the reader audience and correspondants. Don't be such a cunt and let this thread get back on the topic U.S. Pressing Russia, China on Iran Vote .

[asskickergod]

Besides the numerous published papers and military doctrinal changes, you'll find Mark Bowden's book Black Hawk Down far more interesting than the very pro-American twist in the Ridley Scott directed film.

What's interesting here is that you say that the book is more interesting, yet I find it curious that you can make this claim and are at the same time are apparently unable to read. How many times has it been now that I've said the avenue of disscussion that you're trying to force on everyone isn't relevent to my original point? It's been quite a few and yet you continue to bring it up as if I haven't already pointed out that it's not relevent. Maybe you can lure Nodbugger in here and get into a pissing match about whether or not the US won or lost what wars. I'm sure according to you the US lost every war ever, even the ones that they didn't participate in and Nodbugger would say that the US played a key role in the fall of Troy. I don't happen to look in things in your black or white perspective so I have no inclination to discuss it, especially with someone as dense as you. If you'd like to actually write something in responce to one of my points great. If not, go wolf down a sack full of freeze dried clown penises.

[IamSpartacus]

Personally I prefer wolf nipple chips. In the meantime back to your original 'point' on posting no.8 "... So it's not our responsibility to police the world, but it is our responsibility to provide it with free food? ...".

Assuming by your term 'our' that you mean the USA .... then (a) it is not the USA's responsibility to police the world, and (b) it is not the USA's responsibility to feed the world.

It would be nice though if for once the US administration undertook an international altruistic act.

[asskickergod]

It would be even nicer if these countries would get thier shit together on they're own without having to rely on hand outs.

[Ic3]

So you're referring to yourself as "we" and inplying that I should be taking medication?

Or when you say "we" are you reffering to you and the parisites that infest your brain?

Geez, i thought Noddy was dumb. "We" refers to the zgeek readers who know about how fucked up your brain is. Of course, being that you either are on, or need medication, you would actually understand much of what goes on around here, hence your mindless shit that comes from you...

[Up_All_Night]

It would be even nicer if these countries would get thier shit together on they're own without having to rely on hand outs.


Problem comes when countries try and get their act together and the USA doesnt like their style or government, or they are willing to do whats in the best interests of their people, not for US business, and the USA and the IMF and shit come along saying, of you have to do this this and this, when its all crap that makes things worse.

[Furball]

It would be even nicer if these countries would get thier shit together on they're own without having to rely on hand outs.
So, countries with no hope in hell of achieving economic freedom from the loans they recieved from countries like the US, which lent the money to save their own collective asses from sliding interest rates without even thinking "can this country pay me back?" dont deserve to be given a helping hand when they need economic support? Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. These countries have people dying of starvation and here you sit complaining. You are a self-absorbed, ignorant person who should really wake up and have a look around at the world, with an *open* mind.

[IamSpartacus]

Although the US teeters between good guy & bad guy, it's really the International Monetary Fund (IMF) which is where the troubles start. Besides the US; the UK and other leading first world economies are the real demons.

The drop the debt movement has many facets, most recently with this campaign www.makepovertyhistory.org/whatwewant/debt.shtml

It's not just dropping foreign debt, but making the effort to reduce trade restrictions (cue the World Trade Organisation (WTO)), provide medical aid, food and clean water supply, and also the big one .... don't sell the fuckers arms and other military technology, devices & munitions.

[asskickergod]

Geez, i thought Noddy was dumb. "We" refers to the zgeek readers who know about how fucked up your brain is. Of course, being that you either are on, or need medication, you would actually understand much of what goes on around here, hence your mindless shit that comes from you...

I must have missed the election where you were elected zgeek official spokesman? spokeswoman? spokesthing? I'm sure I would have seen an official announcement about such an election and being that you're one of the many faceless drones that inhabit zgeek that no one would notice missing if you were carried off by a larger predator such as an owl I'm equally sure you wouldn't be capable of winning any such election. So it appears that you're psychosis may be even worse than I previously feared. Apparently you think the voices in your head are actually other people.

[asskickergod]

Problem comes when countries try and get their act together and the USA doesnt like their style or government, or they are willing to do whats in the best interests of their people, not for US business, and the USA and the IMF and shit come along saying, of you have to do this this and this, when its all crap that makes things worse.

Most of the countries that we're concerned with where the population is starving don't have governments that are working in the best interest of the people.

[asskickergod]

So, countries with no hope in hell of achieving economic freedom from the loans they recieved from countries like the US, which lent the money to save their own collective asses from sliding interest rates without even thinking "can this country pay me back?" dont deserve to be given a helping hand when they need economic support? Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. These countries have people dying of starvation and here you sit complaining. You are a self-absorbed, ignorant person who should really wake up and have a look around at the world, with an *open* mind.

So instead of just giving out free food we should also be giving them free money. Yeah, that's going to make the situation better, we can cut out the step of the warlords conficating the food and then selling it and just give them money directly. You are a brain dead wretched waste of meat who should immediately take a straight razor and slide it across your own thoat because thats the nearest thing you'll ever have to an open mind.

[Jimma]

Iran send a nice letter to America and they don't care. How rude. Hey everybody, don't try and make nuclear power - that's for Americans. Don't try to have good relations with anyone either! They only want to bomb you! THEY"ER SETTING UP YOU TEH BOMB!!

[Ic3]

I must have missed the election where you were elected zgeek official spokesman? spokeswoman? spokesthing? I'm sure I would have seen an official announcement about such an election and being that you're one of the many faceless drones that inhabit zgeek that no one would notice missing if you were carried off by a larger predator such as an owl I'm equally sure you wouldn't be capable of winning any such election. So it appears that you're psychosis may be even worse than I previously feared. Apparently you think the voices in your head are actually other people.

And your ignorance is worse than i feared, as you must not have read any other posts about you, either that or you copy Noddy and only read what you agree with.

But as I previously said a while ago. You aren't worth argueing against. Your grammer and sentences make no sense. Your arguements are weaker than a wet tissue. And basically you have the mind of a three year old. I have ignored you now. At least Noddy's posts are funny to read, yours are just plain sad. Good bye, dickhead!

[Scumbag]

I think it has very little do with Iran's nuclear ambitions. Even if they werent attempting to enrich uranium, the US would either a) accuse them of doing so anyway or b) find some other lame excuse to invade.

America is thirsty for oil and the neo-cons wont stop at Iraq to get their paws on more..

[IamSpartacus]

Rather unlikely, but the small British forces in the east of Iraq could launch a counterstrike against the US forces just for a laugh if the Americans attack Iran.

As per Scumbag, the creation of an independant Kurdistan from the northern region of Iraq would implicity assure a long lasting oil-friendship with Amerika. The 'shia' oil fields in the east will always be volitile, most likely anti-Amerikan.


On a diverging tack, I've been away from Oz for so long .... where does Aussie oil & gas come from these days ?. Still a lot down in the Bass Straight or is it gonna run out soon ?.

[Bostonmess]

Iran send a nice letter to America and they don't care. How rude. Hey everybody, don't try and make nuclear power - that's for Americans. Don't try to have good relations with anyone either! They only want to bomb you! THEY"ER SETTING UP YOU TEH BOMB!!

It was seventeen pages long for christsakes! They're obviously taking the piss sending such a long letter to an illiterate.

[asskickergod]

And your ignorance is worse than i feared, as you must not have read any other posts about you, either that or you copy Noddy and only read what you agree with.

But as I previously said a while ago. You aren't worth argueing against. Your grammer and sentences make no sense. Your arguements are weaker than a wet tissue. And basically you have the mind of a three year old. I have ignored you now. At least Noddy's posts are funny to read, yours are just plain sad. Good bye, dickhead!

Good luck, although I don't think you can ignore moderators. I'm very well aware I'm not worth arguing against, for you, because you always lose. You're a simpleton. Hell you practically admit that by saying you can't understand the simple sentences I write. You think you're some awesome asset to the forums and are somehow the voice of the people, well here's a news flash for you. Flame baiting nodbugger isn't anything special, and that's really all you do. If you really think I'm not worth arguing against then by all means, don't argue with me. Your only comments in this thread have been directed at me and if you came to the realization that I'm not worth arguing with a while ago I can't imagine while you still try.

[Scumbag]

On a diverging tack, I've been away from Oz for so long .... where does Aussie oil & gas come from these days ?. Still a lot down in the Bass Straight or is it gonna run out soon ?.


We have enough gas on the north west shelft of WA to supply the world.

As for oil, The North West Shelf contributes 32% of the countries's crude oil, 12% comes from other WA fields, 29% comes from Malaysia, Vietnam, Papua New Guinea, Indonesia, West Africa, and 27% from the Middle East. (That was the situation in April 2005.)

[IamSpartacus]

Thankyou Sumbag .... but then regarding the NW shelf, who has 'rights' to those waters ?. Since Oz's continental shelf and exclusive economic zone is nominally some 200nm, surely much of these fields must be in international waters, or perhaps Indonesia may equally lay claim to them !!!.

[nibls66]

More Uranium Reportedly Found in Iran

By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer 27 minutes ago

VIENNA, Austria - The U.N. atomic agency has found traces of highly enriched uranium at an Iranian site linked to the country's defense ministry, diplomats said Friday. The finding added to concerns that Tehran was hiding activities that could be used to make nuclear arms.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060512/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_agency_iran

[amj]

Rather unlikely, but the small British forces in the east of Iraq could launch a counterstrike against the US forces just for a laugh if the Americans attack Iran.


Sorry, remind me why this has even a slight chance of happening?

As for the rest of the thread, i'm with AKG in part. Although that's not to say that I don't hate the US.

[IamSpartacus]

Fuck all chance of it happening really; but it would make the UK new friends in the Gulf region and partly atone for the damage done during the misguided crusade into Iraq.

Besides US reprisals, it would really arse up the US attitude of trusting foreign nations.