Heroes Theories and Spoilers

[Glompbot]

This is a thread so I don't have to keep using those retarded spoiler tags

ONLY come in here if you have seen the most recent episoides.

[DeathRow]

One episode left in the season i think, or atleast planned come 23rd of April though.

So here a spoiler for the next ep for who can't wait.

Episode 1.19: .07%
Airdate: April 23, 2007

* new 03/11 - McDowell [will] haunt Heroes for at least three episodes this season. (Kring wants him to stick around longer.) When the series returns on April 23, McDowell says Linderman will reveal himself to be not just a mere gangster, but "the mastermind behind all the shenanigans that are going on," including the political machinations of Nathan Petrelli and the efforts of Hiro Nakamura to avert New York's nuclear incineration. McDowell's clearly pumped; during this interview, he excitedly let out a number of spoilers, from the ominous significance of the April 23 episode's title (".07%") to this: "The twist about Linderman is that he also has a power, which is — oh, I should probably hold back." (As will we.) Source: Entertainment Weekly
* 03/07 - Matt, Daddy Bennet (HRG) and Ted are all gonna be incarcerated for the next episode, but Matt's stellar mind-reading abilities help them bust out fast. Source: Kristin on E!Online
* 02/13 - Some scenes will feature a highly computer-savvy geek in his 20s. Source: SpoilerFix.com
* 01/27 - This episode will feature a comic books fanboy who is said to be a slacker in his late 20s, the head of security in a large casino, some very competent guard, and the bodyguard of a highly powerful man. Source: SpoilerFix.com
* 01/23 - Peter is going to get a much more severe image makeover than Isaac. I'm told that producers have had problems with continuity, so they asked Milo Ventimiglia to cut his hair. He agreed to shave his head—but requested a scar. And he will get one. Source: Kristin on E!Online

[Glompbot]

i knew it, peter lives!

[SOC]

One episode left in the season i think, or atleast planned come 23rd of April though.
No, there's 5 more to go - this first season has 23 episodes, from what I read somewhere and now can't find it again so it might be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's not.

My theory is that NBC suddenly realised they had a hit on their hands and decided to hold the final episodes of season 1 for May sweeps. Which is why we're now having this break.

[Glompbot]

yup, thats the common 'theory'

[Shampyon]

He's supposed to have a scar in the future, as Future Hiro said. The thing that's happening with Sylar could be the cause BUT...

I reckon that he'll use Claire's power to heal completely. Giving Peter her invulnerability is the reason he needed to "Save the cheerleader, save the world." With her invulnerability, Peter has the exact skillset he needs to take down Sylar and Ted if either of them is the one who asplodes.

Also thought of something else: even if Isaac is right about the flaming man being Peter, what makes us so sure the painting's of someone exploding? It really could be anything from being coated in flame (hello Claire's mum!) to actually absorbing the blast...

Yeah, none of it's spoilers, but it's all been floating around in my head these past few days.

[SOC]

I reckon that he'll use Claire's power to heal completely. Giving Peter her invulnerability is the reason he needed to "Save the cheerleader, save the world." With her invulnerability, Peter has the exact skillset he needs to take down Sylar and Ted if either of them is the one who asplodes.

Also thought of something else: even if Isaac is right about the flaming man being Peter, what makes us so sure the painting's of someone exploding? It really could be anything from being coated in flame (hello Claire's mum!) to actually absorbing the blast...
Interesting thought ... true, the person in the painting may not have been exploding, they may have just "flamed on" ala the Human Torch. And if that's the case, then that person is either Claire's mum or Peter, which means he has to meet Claire's mum at some stage to absorb her power.

Keep in mind, too, that with Nathan being Claire's real dad, that makes Peter her uncle...

And I'm still finding Mr Bennett a bit of an enigma. The series starts off with him being presented as the bad guy, now it seems he's a good guy. But is he really? Are we being fooled into thinking that?

[Glompbot]

I think the same way we percieve mr bennet is the way we will be shown mr linderman

i think linderman turns out good or about as good as mr bennet does anyway

[SOC]

No Mr Linderman is evil - he's being played by Malcolm McDowell, so he can't be anything else! :D

[Glompbot]

he wasn't evil perse in a clockwork orange

[SOC]

Yes he was. Totally, 100% an evil little fucker. Man, that evil grin he gives riight at the end - when he realises he can go back to his evil, nasty ways - still gives me nightmares.

Back to Heroes ... now that Hiro has his sword, it will be interesting to see how much more powerful he becomes. We know from the time Future Hero visited Peter, he becomes a lot more confident and capable.

[Glompbot]

You obviously didn't read the book.. no... I think he'll turn out to be a borderline good guy.

he can also speak english as future hiro :D

[Haggisboy]

Some major spoilers from AICN.

Straight from the HEROS panel at Paleyfest in Hollywood. They showed a scene from the next new batch of Heros eps.****SPOILER WARNING*********. Linderman is explaining that he is responsible for the nuke explosion to come in NYC, and that the reason is the resultant crisis will unite the rest of the world! He alludes to having a power, being part of a earlier group who were doing good deeds, but later fell apart; some of them becoming the cabal we've seen so far. He also feels he's doing the world a favor. Of course, this is Ozmandius' reason for the faked NYC alien attack & a-bomb in Watchmen. Can all of the Heros writers not be aware of this major plot point from Watchmen? And, If that film ever gets made, would it force them to change the ending, since Heros has now used the same idea?

Spoiler Source (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31840)

[Glompbot]

This is a spoiler thread, you don't need to use spoiler tags here, anyone who complains has been warned by it being titled a SPOILER thread

[AntZ]

http://lunarknightz.livejournal.com/544148.html

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Spoilers.

[Glompbot]

awesome.

[tikdoph]

Sap, you seem to have a pretty fucking twisted idea of what "good" is. Murder, extortion, blackmail... these are all a normal day at the office for Linderman. He's as evil as it gets.

Besides the occasional justified assassination, Bennet's job has pretty much just been identifying and monitoring mutants. Occasionally, if someone has threatened the work of The Company, Bennet has had to kill them. However, remember when the guy who tried to rape Claire was in the hospital bed after the "car accident" and he threatened to expose Claire's secret? Bennet could have easily had him killed with no-one being any wiser, but instead he had his memories wiped, even going so far back with the memory wipe as to give him a clean slate in the hope that he'd turn out to be a better person this time around.

Anyone who couldn't see that Bennet was a good guy from the start wasn't paying attention. Likewise, anyone who couldn't see that Linderman was a bad guy from the start wasn't paying attention either. Sorry, but it doesn't matter whether he thinks that wiping NYC off the face of the Earth is for the greater good... the end doesn't justify the means.

By the way, if Isaac is so important to Linderman, because he gives him glimpses into the future, why isn't he under protection? If Linderman doesn't know what's going to happen to Isaac, he's not as powerful as he thinks himself to be.

[Glompbot]

I just have a feeling.... its clear the lines between good and bad are very blurred. Look at nikki/jessica for example.

[Shampyon]

I think I know where she's coming from. It could be that, with an extensive knowledge of the future gleaned from years and years of Isaac's paintings, he sees that the only way to preserve the world is to get his hands dirty. Sacrificing his soul for the sake of humanity.

I haven't seen much evidence of that yet, but it's still a possibility. Personally, though, I think he's just a rogue member of the Primatech crew from waaaaay back (possibly the former partner of Simone's dad?)

[Glompbot]

Given the spoilers revealed he is supposed to be an old primatech paper crew.

[sperm]

so ive been slack, just caught up with the last ep tonight.......

haggisboy, i was reminded of x-men heavily when nathan talks to simone? about going public and what would happen. he said something like the world would shit a brick and want to segregate etc

im not a huge x-men fan but even to me it was an easy extrapolation


i wonder who claude was concealing from primatech, I wouldnt be surprised if that becomes more important later (and why he worked for primatech in the first place too)
and what happened to that woman who got ted all fired up ? the one that could talk to machines

for a series called 'heros' there doesnt seem to much actual hero stuff going on - only peter and hiro seem to have good intentions, and hiro just comes across as bumbling and ineffectual


the way i see things, there are three major players pulling the strings, hiros dad (sulu), lindeman and the patrelli mother. I think sylar is a arc to bump things along but in the long run is just a distraction

[Glompbot]

uhm
i think claude was hiding the fire woman?



Who would have thought the patrelli mum was a power?!

[sperm]

By the fire woman, you mean claire's biological mother ?
that cant be possible, because claude is seen as part of the posse when mr bennet first receives claire after the fire woman escapes.

I think its more likely claude was protecting his father....... lindeman (who also has an english accent) with powers yet to reveal. I think the series will try paint him as a badguy, but will eventually be good. Just like mr bennet.

the petrelli mum (angela) has only just been connected to the haitan, i think she belongs to another major power, but I think there will be others above her.

One more thing, I think its suspicous how quickly ando managed to get employed as a security guard at the casino .....

[Elentari]

By the fire woman, you mean claire's biological mother ?
that cant be possible, because claude is seen as part of the posse when mr bennet first receives claire after the fire woman escapes.

Well it is possible - he could let her escape and helped her GTFO. *shrugs* It really could be anyone...

One more thing, I think its suspicious how quickly ando managed to get employed as a security guard at the casino .....

He probably just beat someone up and stole his shit :P

[sperm]

Well it is possible - he could let her escape and helped her GTFO. *shrugs* It really could be anyone...


http://heroeswiki.com/Graphic_Novel:Hell%27s_Angel


In Kermit, TX in 1992, Mr. Bennet and Claude approach an apartment to "bag and tag" an evolved human [Meredith_Gordon]. Mr. Bennet, new on the job, waits outside while Claude slips inside, planning to become invisible to catch the woman unaware. However, the door to the apartment is suddenly blown open by an explosive fire.

Mr. Bennet rushes in to help Claude, who tells him that the woman "blew up", and to take the baby. Mr. Bennet finds Claire in her crib and carries her out of the apartment to safety.


If claude was making a stand against hunting his own kind, surely he would have done it before 'pretending' to go after her.
Besides, from the scene where bennet shoots claude they have known each other for quite some time and claude mentions how bennet is bringing up claire. The above graphic novel states bennet had just started the partnership.

EDIT: 7 years passes between the 'fire woman' and the 'security breach': http://heroeswiki.com/Claude

[Elentari]

Fair enough :D

I got way behind with the novels because my net took forever to load them >_<

[big-panda]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N8bE1pQZx3o

more of a preview for ep 19 when it comes back

[Shampyon]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10321

Six spoilerific video clips, plus a link to a previous spoilertacious review of the upcoming episode 18. I'ma go watch 'em now :D

[AntZ]

Holy fucking shit Episode 19 was good.

Hiro meets Future Hiro!

[dilligaf]

I liked the episode very much. Seems like the show is rearing up for an awesome conclusion. I can't wait for next week.

[Shampyon]

So it seems Linderman, Petrelli Sr and Mr Deveaux were superheroes who became corrupted by their power! Coooool. I wonder if that ties into the reason why all three of their families are so damn rich...

Isaac has seen Sylar defeated? I hope we get to see that painting!
And until Nathan said it, it never occurred to me that Claire's healing power might save Peter from the explosion... I just assumed he'd get scarred, blow up and die.

Can't wait to see how Micah fits into Linderman's plans!

[Icky]

i think micah is for the tracking system that bennett is trying to destroy

[jmoore]

why was future hiro pissed off with regular hiro?

i dun get it.

[Icky]

I think future hiro is angry at what he used to be, real hiro seams childish and immature where future hiro looks like an experienced fighter who has lived through a lot. He could be angry at what he used to be, or at what real hiro is about to go through

[Evil Dan]

I think future Hiro is angry because real Hiro slept with future Hiro's girlfriend.

[jmoore]

maybe future hero takes linderman back in time and gets him to cure his gf, so that hiro can finally get some action

[banga]

i just started watching this thanks to elantari , and it looks like a good show

[chris_F]

episode 19 was gooood.... needed to go for 2 hours though... and the fight between peter and sylar needed to involve even more cool shit flying around the room.

[Shampyon]

This page (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10397) has links to short spoiler clips for the next episode "Five Years Gone," formerly known as "String Theory." Interesting stuff.

[Shampyon]

Oh lawd, iz dat sum official spoilers? (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10433)

[Haggisboy]

Just saw Episode 20, the 5 Years into the Future episode and I have to say...... Buckle up folks because this is possibly the best single episode of any TV show ever. Abso-fucking-lutely amazing. You miss this and you're a loser.

[stinky]

I'll be watching it in a few hours ... can't wait :)

[sperm]

torrent link pls?

ok, so lindeman is connected to primatech, as evident by him using the shapeshifter to kidnap mica. Also we already know hiro senior is also connected to primatech as evident from him giving away claire to mr bennet.

But is lindeman unaware of hiro senior ? He mentioned to nathan that hiro stole the sword from him; as if thats something he didnt want to occur.
I guess even if he wasnt aware straight away who stole the sword - remember that hiro was delivering a predicition painting to lindeman of him with the sword....

anyone have substantial theories of mr deauex - there are sooo many scenes connecting his building to the heroes.

I've got a theory that part of all heros powers is to pull them together by coincidences. There are far too many examples of this !

PS im getting REALLY disappointed how close this is plaugarising x-men, ffs read the blurb for ep 20 ! :grr:

[Shampyon]

They're all connected so far by Linderman's group of old superheroes. So far it seems the group included Linderman, Deveaux, Petrelli Sr, and Mr Nakamura. Most of the Linderman and Nakamura have already been revealed as the bankrollers for and members of "Primatech." Linderman mentioned a schism in the group, so it seems Linderman and Nakamura are on one side and the currently deceased Messers Deveaux and Petrelli were on the other.

Part of the group's goal was to find others like them, and so far most of the Heroes are linked to them in one way or another. Deveaux's daughter became the manager of Isaac. Linderman bought his paintings. Claire is a Petrelli by blood. Nikki/Jessica is employed by Linderman, as is her son. It's possible DL also worked for Linderman (he does seem awfully cluey about the man and his organisation while warning his wife away from it), so their mutual employment may be how the two of them met. The others (Ted, Parkman, etc) are unrelated folks who were captured or at least tracked by Primatech.

It's not coincidence, it's part of Linderman and Nakamura's plan.

The blurb for ep 20 is reminiscent of many sci-fi stories, though the writers themselves are the first to admit their comic book influences. What matters is whether they put a spin on it that marks it as their own, just as Moore did for the hackneyed "Villain who thinks he's a Hero tries to save the world through evil means" device. It was a stale plot device for decades by the time Moore used it, but by having Ozymandias say "The plan has already begun. I wouldn't have told you if there was a chance you could stop it," he made it his own, just as the Heroes crew are doing with their characters.

[woz11211]

This most recent episode, is imho, best heroes, nay best episode of television I have seen in years. I thought the Sopranos were good, but I am way more into this show than I ever was about the Sopes. The only thing I haven't liked lately about the show is the inclusion of the shape-shifting girl. her ability is a huge storyline cop-out, and from now on you'll never know if so and so is really so and so. Kind of like "it was all a dream! it never happened" in Dynasty. But holy shit... this last episode was amazing. I agree that these current heroes are a product of something that has been in the works for a long time. Such as when Claire meets her real grandmother, and granny says that Claire can go out and try and save the world like granny once did. Granny, Mr. Nakamura, Linderman... I just can't get my mind to grasp how Micah could be so important? His ability is powerful... but only powerful on electronics from what I've seen? shit all i know is that i need AV cables connected from my TV straight to my VEINS because I can't wait another week for more Heroes.

P.S. - Claire looks hot in all hair colors. Fact.

[AntZ]

In episode 22, Hiro's dad gets dressed up like a Samurai and teaches him how to use the sword apparently. :D

[AntZ]

Tonights episode was gay. There were three people in a room who could stop time and yet someone still managed to die by a bullet.

[BlueBoy]

Tonights episode was gay. There were three people in a room who could stop time and yet someone still managed to die by a bullet.

They may have been able to stop time, doesn't mean they had spider-sense or super-reaction powers.

Fuck I love this show.

[Icky]

I want to know how peter couldnt tell sylar was his brother, I dont remember sylar getting any ability to still peoples memories.

[Ic3]

But sylar took place of Nathan from the beginning. Peter never had a chance to know that Nathan really was Sylar...

[jaay]

Wtf is with ep 20? An integral part of the storyline is that in the future time-line Sylar kills claire at the home-coming, therefore stopping hiro's stab from killing him because he can regenerate. Why is it that Claire is in the episode? Didn't she, you know, die? And how did Sylar regenerate if he didn't kill her? Shouldn't one of them be dead? I hope there is an explanation here. Please someone reply soon before I get super annoyed at the show.

[Elentari]

Yeah I have a feeling that after Peter caused the explosion and Nathan became president and lied about it being Sylar that he told Peter to bugger off and lay low so that the thruth wouldnt be discovered and that it generally a high risk. That or Peter didnt agree with something that Nathan was doing and cut him out of his life.

The thing that got me was the Peter-Nikki pairing... I think they did it for convenience but I thought it was just stupid and it made me mad coz I absolutely love Peter and hate Nikki and dont think that he should be with that WHORE!

[BSS]

Anytime a TV series messes with time travel, it's sure to mess with continuity.

However (in response to jaay), my guess is that it's because what we saw in that episode is Hiro and Ando's future, should they have not returned to their past and done everything they would have done. For example, Peter had saved Claire therefore she lives, but Hiro hasn't yet gone back to kill Sylar... therefore he lives.

[Elentari]

Wtf is with ep 20? An integral part of the storyline is that in the future time-line Sylar kills claire at the home-coming, therefore stopping hiro's stab from killing him because he can regenerate. Why is it that Claire is in the episode? Didn't she, you know, die? And how did Sylar regenerate if he didn't kill her? Shouldn't one of them be dead? I hope there is an explanation here. Please someone reply soon before I get super annoyed at the show.

Because they had stopped Sylar from killing Claire... so time has been altered. But for some reason Future Hiro has no recollection of thing (I dunno why... that was the bit that I found odd)

Sylar isnt dead because Present Hiro hasn't experienced that part of history to be able to change it (i.e. by stabbing him) So he lives, but with out the regeneration power. Now that Present Hiro knows what he is supposed to do he can go back and make it happen... hence changing the course of events.

I hope that answers your question.

ADD: You beat me to it BSS!

[BSS]

ADD: You beat me to it BSS!

At least I know I'm not crazy if somebody else thought of it too :)

[jaay]

I guess that makes sense. Still, it seems so pulled together. I mean, in the sequence of the episode we have future-hiro outline how he wasn't able to kill Sylar due to Claire's death. Then suddenly Claire appears all redneck and stuff. How are the parallels drawn?
So future sylar kills claire and doesn't die to stab wound.
Hiro works out that claire is a catalyst, and goes back in time causing peter to save her. At this point future-sylar suddenly loses the power to regenerate because Claire has reappeared alive. Noone knows this though because their memories have been replaced, except for future-hiro. This means that changes in the time-line do not happen immediately and that it take a while for things to settle into place? There are multi-strings combining back into one string?

[BSS]

Looks that way. It appears that they don't conform to the "Back to the Future" school of thought. But I can live with that.

[chris_F]

Can you please elaborate on the back to the future school of thought.

I've seen the movies but can't remember how time travel played out in those movies.

ps. heroes is the shit

[BSS]

So in Back to the Future, changes in the past immediately affected the future (and things taken from the future) and all changes were complete. There was no timeline mixing.

So when there's a change in the past, the world was already completely changed when they went to the future (like the evil 1985. None of it's inhabitants have any memory of the "real" 1985). And things like the photos, the "You're Fired" fax and even Marty himself were affected immediately when whatever significant event was altered.

If Heroes did this, then present Hiro wouldn't have had to explain to future Hiro that he didn't kill Sylar. He would have known whether or not this happened already. Also future Hiro wouldn't have had the memory of stabbing Sylar, only to have him regenerate. If Claire's brain was never taken, then this couldn't have happened.

Corrections or rebuttals are welcomed.

[chris_F]

ahhh true, I think the heroes version of time travel is more elegant... or at least more subtle.

can't wait for the next episode

[Shampyon]

My current theory:

So far there isn't a single solid indication that any of the future events can be avoided. We know that Sylar becomes President after gaining Candice's illusion powers. We saw the page of Hiro stabbing Sylar. Yeah, more likely Hiro stabbing Candice, who at the time is disguised as Sylar.

We know that Future Hiro died before he could travel back to warn Peter. Has that changed? Not if President Sylar has both the ability to appear as Future Hiro, and Future Hiro's own time-travel power gleaned from the guy's gunshot (but brain-intact) corpse.

Sylar using the powers he stole to create the future timeline, manipulating everyone - including his past self - without them even knowing it.

[SOC]

Interesting.

Also good to finally see everyone coming together in New York.

I have a suspicion that Ando may just turn out to have a power of his own...

[Shampyon]

I posted the following on another forum. It's a slightly more detailed explanation of my current theory. Let me know if you spot any flaws so I can amend it or throw it out altogether:

Hiro kills what he thinks is Sylar: It's actually Candice, the illusionist.
Sylar takes her power.
Peter blows up.
Sylar kills Nathan and poses as him, becoming President.
President Sylar starts rounding up the Supers, labelling them as terrorists. Those he finds are food for his every-expanding collection of powers. Ted may be amongst them.
Bennet hides Claire with the Haitian's help. The Haitian wipes all the relevant knowledge of Claire from everyone. Peter can't mimic what he doesn't remember.
Bennet therefore thinks Claire died back when Sylar first attacked.
Past Hiro arrives, spurring the others into action.
After Past Hiro tells him she's alive, Bennet may have used Molly Walker to find Claire.
Future Hiro gets shot.
Sylar takes Future Hiro's power.
Sylar poses as Future Hiro and travels back in time to "warn" Peter. This one act ensures that everything happens exactly as he remembers it with that awesome eidetic memory he stole way back in the beginning of the series.

Nothing has changed. We just didn't see it for what it truly was.

And that, dear friends, is what a lifetime of retcon reconciliation does to a mind :P

[chris_F]

cool theory

But I have a feeling Sylar never got Hiro's gf's power because she had a tumor and her brain was damaged. And also because Hiro went back in time to save her but couldn't (meaning she may have died of natural causes)

I also don't think the Haitian would have wiped everyones memory, especially not peters because he uses quite a few powers in the future.

It's also impossible for peter to get a scar now? So in that sense the future has to have changed in some way.

There's some many potential endings for this series and like yours shampyon most of them are pretty sweet!

I just have a feeling the writers will make things a bit simpler than what your suggesting

[Shampyon]

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[BlueBoy]

I posted the following on another forum. It's a slightly more detailed explanation of my current theory. Let me know if you spot any flaws so I can amend it or throw it out altogether:

Hiro kills what he thinks is Sylar: It's actually Candice, the illusionist.
Sylar takes her power.
Peter blows up.
Sylar kills Nathan and poses as him, becoming President.
President Sylar starts rounding up the Supers, labelling them as terrorists. Those he finds are food for his every-expanding collection of powers. Ted may be amongst them.
Bennet hides Claire with the Haitian's help. The Haitian wipes all the relevant knowledge of Claire from everyone. Peter can't mimic what he doesn't remember.
Bennet therefore thinks Claire died back when Sylar first attacked.
Past Hiro arrives, spurring the others into action.
After Past Hiro tells him she's alive, Bennet may have used Molly Walker to find Claire.
Future Hiro gets shot.
Sylar takes Future Hiro's power.
Sylar poses as Future Hiro and travels back in time to "warn" Peter. This one act ensures that everything happens exactly as he remembers it with that awesome eidetic memory he stole way back in the beginning of the series.

Nothing has changed. We just didn't see it for what it truly was.

And that, dear friends, is what a lifetime of retcon reconciliation does to a mind :P
It's not Lost. :laughing:

[SOC]

No, but I think Shampyon might be! :D

[sperm]

My current prediction on heroes has abandoned the idea of different power factions amongst angela patrelli, deavux, lindeman, primatech paper and hiro senior; in fact the are ALL on the same side !
I predict that the human 'bomb' will indeed be ted, however he will be prevented going boom, and the main heroes will prevail. All along the 'human bomb' is what the 'senior' heroes had been conspiring to take over the world.

In series two, this will severly tick off the 'senior' hero alliance, and things will esculate into mini-conflicts between the younger heroes vs the senior heroes. In a major turn-around sylar will stop being a psychopath, and begin to work against the senior heroes - he will become a dark tear-away heroes now reformed ala wolverine type.
Although the heros will become more aware and confrontational, their existence will remains mostly unknown to the general public.
The whole in 5 years time scenario will totally be averted (where were the majorly powerful senior alliance then ??)

[Glompbot]

I think something people need to remember, is that there are no good and bad/evil characters. I think the most recent episoide with sylar in it drives that point home YET AGAIN.

I think this will be a central theme in the last episoide of the season.


Some interesting theories
http://heroeswiki.com/Theories:Events

[BSS]

We know that Future Hiro died before he could travel back to warn Peter. Has that changed? Not if President Sylar has both the ability to appear as Future Hiro, and Future Hiro's own time-travel power gleaned from the guy's gunshot (but brain-intact) corpse.

...Sylar poses as Future Hiro and travels back in time to "warn" Peter. This one act ensures that everything happens exactly as he remembers it with that awesome eidetic memory he stole way back in the beginning of the series.

Nothing has changed. We just didn't see it for what it truly was.

If you accept the novels as official canon, we see that Hiro actually went back to warn Peter immediately before the events of "Five Years Gone"

Not sure if this affects the rest of your theory. I do agree that there's a strong line of thought that says that all future predicted events will come true. But really, does that go beyond Isaac's drawings? Peter's visions are not perfect, and I think what we saw in Five Years Gone showed that things could change. The strongest indication of this is based on Mohinder's comments about the last 9th Wonder. "The events in this comic... history didn't happen like this. You didn't kill Sylar." I do consider Isaac to be basically infallible. In his final scene, he was pretty convinced that he predicted that Sylar would die. "...not before I show them how to kill you, and stop the bomb". We haven't yet seen anything past the "stabbing" page. But I still think it's there. So it is written, so it shall be done.

You say that he may have killed Candice posing as Sylar, but I think that her ability would stop working if she were dead. They would know. She doesn't actually change things. It's all just illusions.

[anothe]

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8051/1178658500470ri9.jpg

OH SHI! SHES ALIVE! lololol

best family photo ever.

[BSS]

Actually both Isaac and Sylar have drawn bombs... so I guess that would have to happen...

[Elentari]

Actually both Isaac and Sylar have drawn bombs... so I guess that would have to happen...

So has Peter - he did a drawing of a street burning and the Vote Petrelli flyers floating around. He showed it to Claire to show to her that she needs to stick around.

I like what they did with revealing more of Sylar's character in the most recent episode... all the way through he's been that character that you absolutely loathe, but after seeing the scenes with his mother I did feel a little sorry for him :(

[SOC]

That's one of the things I love about Heroes - there's no "good" guys and no "bad" guys ... everythings shades of grey - good people sometimes do bad things, and bad people sometimes do good things. Look at Mr Bennett - for the first few episodes we were being led to believe he was this evil guy, up to no good. But it turns out he's not. Or is he?

[BSS]

That's one of the things I love about Heroes - there's no "good" guys and no "bad" guys ... everythings shades of grey

Hmm... Gabriel Gray, indeed.

[banga]

ohhhhhhhhhh elentari you did me an evil deed giving me allthem episodes i am now an addict , i love this program , am currently up to episode 19 and kinda feelin sorry for claires dad

[Shampyon]

Still haven't watches ep 22 yet. The bastards still downloading :(
Here's some preview pix from the season finale anyway:

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[Glompbot]

Didn't i throw you out of a window?

[astro]

I like the little easter eggs which are scattered through the show. The number plate on Hiro's dad's limo, for example. Everyone should have spotted that one.

Did anyone else pick up the CRM-114 reference when Hiro was opening the container which contained his sword?

[Shampyon]

lol, it wasn't until I read the wiki entry on it that I saw the significance.

[imp]

Episode 23 available for download yet? :)

[Enos]

I know it's hard to be patient Imp but one more day for you I'm afraid

[imp]

Nooooooo!!!!!

[Glompbot]

I only just watched Dr Strangelove... and I now finally get the CRM-114 reference.

Also
Has anyone read the latest novel? The death of Hannah Gittleman

[Glompbot]

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/chapter33_ee.jpg

[chris_F]

23 23 23 23...

when's it coming?

[Haggisboy]

The season finale is........ MAGNIFICENT!

Plus, they kickstart volume 2 at the end, and Hiro is the connecting thread that the writers were hinting at.

No further spoilers shall be provided. You really need to watch this for yourselves and enjoy.

[Enos]

Come on EZTV!!!! Give me love!

[satori]

Come on EZTV!!!! Give me love!

lol. I have refreshed my rss feed 20 times in the last 5 minutes.

[Enos]

And love given and received!

Me love you long time EZTV

http://www.mininova.org/tor/715866

[sullomate]

This is going to take forever to download...

[imp]

Got Nic to start the download before he left the house. Woo! Heroes season finale!!!

[sullomate]

The season finale is........ MAGNIFICENT!

Plus, they kickstart volume 2 at the end, and Hiro is the connecting thread that the writers were hinting at.

No further spoilers shall be provided. You really need to watch this for yourselves and enjoy.


Hmmm, I just watched it and...well I'll wait till more people see it before I say what I think.

[Enos]

Same, just finished watching.

Could see one rather obvious flaw but prepared to forgive them for it.

What a great show

[BSS]

My initial reaction is that of disappointment. I feel like there were so many things that could have been done better, and so many loose ends that will never be tied up.

However, I'll reserve final judgement for subsequent viewings, and information that will be revealed about it that I may have missed.

[BSS]

I know this is the spoiler thread, but I'm still going to tell people to watch it before reading this. OK so let's go through a few things...

Hiro stabbing Sylar seemed to take forever. After all the talk of whether or not Hiro would be fast enough, despite Sylar stopping bullets just moments before, and Hiro not appearing to use his power... all it took was a running thrust!

Sylar. Is he dead? What we saw in his eyes as he passes out... It's hard to see them all, but it would appear to be showing us everyone he had killed, the last image being himself. Maybe this is looking too deep, but was his blood splatter supposed to be something? Did none of them notice he was gone?

Noah! OK so there's no fucking way they could have kept his name a secret all this time, only to have it mean nothing. Like "Oh yeah, call me Greg." So I really want to read into this as much as possible. So because it didn't end up being a story element, I think it must be some sort of summary of his character. Noah's Ark Noah? The one to keep a few people aside while the rest of the world is cleansed? How about this: "Derived from the Hebrew name נוֹחַ (Noach) meaning "rest, comfort"." I notice there's another Noah Bennett in another NBC TV series.

Could Peter not have just flown away himself? Could Nathan not just have dropped him off, then come back? If they just shot Peter then Nathan wouldn't have to die... isn't that better?

[Enos]

Could Peter not have just flown away himself? Could Nathan not just have dropped him off, then come back? If they just shot Peter then Nathan wouldn't have to die... isn't that better?

Yup, that was my obvious flaw. Nothing stopping Peter flying away himself. However from reading previous interviews with writers I'm sure the excuse would be "Peter was overpowered by the Ted's nuke power and couldn't control the other powers" which is kind of fair enough cos you never see Peter use more than one power at at time from memory.

[Haggisboy]

My only complaint about the final episode is that they didn't let it run for 90 minutes or even 2 hours. They could have easily done so as some things seemed either hurried or glossed over.

I'm surprised nobody has made mention of this other, almost super villain, that the little girl who was the tracking system mentioned..... the guy she's too scared to find because she sees him, he can see her - and NO, she wasn't referring to Sylar the "boogie man".

[pliskin]

yeh i wondered y peter didn't fly himself away.
im guessing that the person that the little girl can see , who in turn can see her is is Charles deveaux.
he seems to be too interconnected with the the whole story to not be involved directly.
the fact he sees peter, observing the conversation between himself and peters mother, then commenst that invisibilty is a great power to have, suggest he can see whoever he likes. id also go as far as saying he use to have a lot dealings with the other invisible person that showed peter how to harness all his powers.

the mark on the ground after sylar gets away into the sewers, i think is another painting, iisac style, using sylars own blood . what it predicts for the future i dont know.

[Shampyon]

Wasn't it established that Peter can only use one power at a time?

Possible spoilers for season two. (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=62a29792-b3f3-401a-be08-4c90b16e2bf8)

[Glompbot]

Fuck me
What is angela pietrellis power?
i liked that episoide
now to read the novel :)

comments from the novel i found interesting:

- deveaux didn't see peter he only knew he was there. he said "i know you're there. invisibility thats interesting."



OK
you all have to read the web comic!

hannah turns into an electric being... very space oddessy... IMO

but its interesting because she's talking to micah

[Glompbot]

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/chapter34_ee.jpg

[woz11211]

Mr. Deveaux is so fucking cool. Here's the thing, Peter has already absorbed whatever power Deveaux has. After all, Peter was his nurse and constantly at his bedside. Plus, Peter would have his mother's as well or Simone before she died. There are all these latent abilities within Peter that are just waiting to manifest, unless they say he came into contact with these abilities before his actual absorbing ability itself manifested.

[Up_All_Night]

Could Peter not have just flown away himself? Could Nathan not just have dropped him off, then come back? If they just shot Peter then Nathan wouldn't have to die... isn't that better?

yeah my thoughts, but there's plenty of ways they can get around Nathan not being dead.


Sulu in the 17th century, will that he Hiro's father also back in time, or will it be an old relative from the family tradition?

[BSS]

Sulu in the 17th century, will that he Hiro's father also back in time, or will it be an old relative from the family tradition?

So either Kaito Nakamura is Kensei himself, or they are descendents of Kensei.