An insane proposition

[That Bloke]

For a while I've had an idea for the ultimate sleeper, My plan is to take a Nissan RB30 block, mate it to an RB26dett head with variable valve timing, mate it all to Skyline GTR Driveline & suspension & jam it all into a 1966 130series Datsun Cedric Mk2:
http://forum.zgeek.com/gallery/files/7/2/2/1302side.jpg

http://forum.zgeek.com/gallery/files/7/2/2/1967grille.jpg

If someone were to look underneath it from behind, a larger than standard exhaust & the fact that it would have independant rear suspension instead of leaf springs might give it away, providing the observer realised the Cedric didn't come with independant rear suspension.
http://forum.zgeek.com/gallery/files/7/2/2/1967tail.jpg
For handling sake I might require low profile tyres & therefore large wheels to accomodate them, if someone were to look through said wheels to discover large cross drilled & ventilated disk brakes that might also give the game away.

Inside I shall keep it standard apart from a nice wooden steering wheel & I'd place a digital speedo & Tacho somewhere(I'd leave original instruments in too).
http://forum.zgeek.com/gallery/files/7/2/2/1966dash.jpg

This is all a pipedream ofcoarse, It'll probably never happen.

[kré]

i love shit like this :D

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by cray
i love shit like this :D

I was thinking how to hide suspicious looking wheels & brakes & I though about using the stock hubcaps & wheel embellishers & cutting the sidewalls out of standard tyres & glueing the whole lot over the bigwheels so they can't be seen at first glance.

[DumHed]

I think you'd find that 99.9% of people wouldn't notice the difference even if you put the biggest set of Brembos you could find on it :)

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by DumHed
I think you'd find that 99.9% of people wouldn't notice the difference even if you put the biggest set of Brembos you could find on it :)

If it looks suped up the cop's will be after it, they're used to people cramming v8s into anything old.

[kré]

if i had a bullshit amount of money, i'd get an mx32 cressida (was my first car) and put in lots of supra bits, including a 2jz with a big single turbo

^_^

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by cray
if i had a bullshit amount of money, i'd get an mx32 cressida (was my first car) and put in lots of supra bits, including a 2jz with a big single turbo

^_^

This project could cost as little as $15,000 from start to finish depending on how you go about it & where you get stuff, It could also blow out to a monsterous amount.

Either way I should be putting my money to better use.

[rickbitch]

Do me a favour. When u do it, try to make sure that it looks and sounds as much like the orignal dato.

That way when you blow someone off at the lights, it will fuck with their insignificant little minds.

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by rickbishop
Do me a favour. When u do it, try to make sure that it looks and sounds as much like the orignal dato.

That way when you blow someone off at the lights, it will fuck with their insignificant little minds.

I'll try, even if it take a PA system & a tapeloop of an L20.

[DrDivad]

hehe keeping the dato sound will be jsut a bit impossible, but you could start by keeping that pea shooter zorst on it :P

[That Bloke]

I'm not sure how insane to go, I'd get around 300kw just using all standard componants (Combined from 2 doner engines, an RB30 & an RB26DETT) but with after market parts 1000kw is achievable, I think 500kw would be more than enough.

[beer_cAN]

I've always wanted a Nissan Cedric :~)

[DrDivad]

i saw a ricy Nissan Cedric in japan, i chortled my chortle bone off

[Hater]

I like :D
Don't forget the grandpas hat on the back parcel! :D

It would blow many a cocky ricer...

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by DrDivad
i saw a ricy Nissan Cedric in japan, i chortled my chortle bone off

I saw(have even) a picture of some Tokyo ganstaz with a Nissan Presidant(A stretched Cedric with a 4 litre v8) low rider, even had the 144 spoke Daytons & the hydraulics.

[That Bloke]

I've been looking into wheels, I've found some nice 15-17 inch wheels that suit an older car, provide decent ventillation to the brakes while still hiding the brakes from view(unless you really try).

I've read claims on a website that in Aus this model isn't called a Cedric but actually just called the Datsun 2300, I dunno, I've seen another Aussie site devoted to Cedrics that features it & I also found one for sale(same model) & refered to as a cedric, It's $650 & runs, it's auto but that doesn't matter as I'll take that out anyway, I think I'll pass though, Dad'd kill me if I put a third car in his backyard.

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by That_Bloke
I've been looking into wheels, I've found some nice 15-17 inch wheels that suit an older car, provide decent ventillation to the brakes while still hiding the brakes from view(unless you really try).



Which of these looks best?
A:http://www.bmt-motorsport.com/data/katalog/compomotive/TH.jpg
Compomotive TH(actually the largest size is an inch smaller than I was prepared to go)

B:http://premiersites.net.au/users/15165/pictures/pro.jpg
Dragway Pro

C:http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/p130cedDragtech.jpg
Dragway HiTec

or
D:http://www.tyres.com/upload_images/Simmons/vs15'16.JPG
Simmons V4/V5(they are the same except for bolt patterns, I'd probably go V5) ?

[Salted_Chipmunk]

D for sure man

[huwbacca]

yep D is the slickest looking

[kré]

D fo' shizzle mah nizzle

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by cray
D fo' shizzle mah nizzle

I figured most'd go for that, Having seen them on a Falcon they actually do a great job of hiding the brakes & they are the kind of mag alot of people do put on an otherwise ordinary car it goes ok with the wjole sleeper thing.

[Salted_Chipmunk]

Plus you'd have a pimp-mobile look to it as well :D

[Wolfette13]

D is the best out of those pictures except it looks like they are two tone which I'm personally not thrilled with. The others look
"too busy" and take away from the beauty of the machine itself.

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by Salted_Chipmunk
Plus you'd have a pimp-mobile look to it as well :D

I wish you didn't say that:p

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by Wolfette13
D is the best out of those pictures except it looks like they are two tone which I'm personally not thrilled with. The others look
"too busy" and take away from the beauty of the machine itself.

They are, all wheels from that brand come with Polished rims, for the centres you have a choice of 3 factory powder coat colours(Gold pictured), Unpolished raw aluminium or you can send them 250ml of the 2pak paint of your choice & they'll paint the centres that colour for $25 per pair.

The particular ones are discontinued but still plentiful, thei replacement is called Versa it is the same design without the ribs around the hub but I think the ribs look better.


http://www.simmonswheel.com.au/images/Versalrg.jpg

[Salted_Chipmunk]

PIMP DADDY PIMP DADDY PIMP DADDY PIMP DADDY!!!

Hehe, just joshin ya mate. Thos mags would suit it better than the other ones, selection A look very similar to the mags off the Evo6 Rallycar, the rest just look too modern to do it.

Ever thought about some Performance Superlights?
I used to have them on my Escort.

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~puddin23/3.jpg

They would look pretty nice, very setting with the car and would cover any huge brakes you'd be willing to put them on.

[That Bloke]

Originally posted by Salted_Chipmunk
PIMP DADDY PIMP DADDY PIMP DADDY PIMP DADDY!!!

Hehe, just joshin ya mate. Thos mags would suit it better than the other ones, selection A look very similar to the mags off the Evo6 Rallycar,


I believe they would be, they are magnesium & especially made for rally, they are the brand most teams use, That style actually dates to late 70s.

Ever thought about some Performance Superlights?
I used to have them on my Escort.

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~puddin23/3.jpg

They would look pretty nice, very setting with the car and would cover any huge brakes you'd be willing to put them on.

I have a mk1 Cortina(done nothing with it except let it rust since 1996) & I was pondering Superlites for it.

[Salted_Chipmunk]

I picked up my Superlights with some decent tyres for 900 all up including freight from NSW. Cool thing about them was that the company does the powercoating for you saves you the hassle of getting it done yourself. Also you can get chrome SL's too. The only chrome mag that i'd buy.

[Vita Man!]

Originally posted by That_Bloke
I'm not sure how insane to go, I'd get around 300kw just using all standard componants (Combined from 2 doner engines, an RB30 & an RB26DETT) but with after market parts 1000kw is achievable, I think 500kw would be more than enough.
1000kw! for how many nanoseconds will that hold together?
500kw yeah possible but at a cost to drivability and reliability.
300kw is more than enough for the job at hand but you have three major problems
1. registering the thing, reengineering it to meet the ADR's (Auatralian design rules) would be a major drama for instance the car would have to meet the ADR's appropriate for the year of the engine (the newest major component) eg, brakes lighting, polution controls, even bloody seat belt anchorages!
Some of these may not seem like much on their own but together they add up.
2. cost, not just a matter of buying a secondhand ex-Jap motor-gearbag assembly and screwing it into the car, components like engine mounts will need to be fabricated, cooling system upgraded, serious body modification would be required, eg firewall, trans tunnel, suspension mountings etc. all this will cost a $hitload then you'll need an engineers cert.
3. over capitalisation, if you go to sell the thing no one will give you anywhere near what the thing cost you.
Now I don't wanna be a killjoy, these are the facts of life.

[OddSocks]

Hmm - unless you need the power of a bigger motor, you could just have some fun!

Buy some high power Bose or similar speakers, position them around various parts of your car's exterior, just out of view, tap in to your tacho signal, write an app on your laptop that alters the speed and sound of a sampled hotted-up car relative to sampled tacho signal, and blast it through said speakers. Then you could even, at the click of a button, change from a W12 to a Volkswagen Beetle mid-drive!

Oh, and add a smoke machine for fake tyre-spinning action ;-)

[That Bloke]

I was sure I had already replied to this the day you posted but anyway I'll reply now although you seem long gone.

Seems you only made a short appearance to rub a few people the wrong way.


Originally posted by Vita Man!


over capitalisation, if you go to sell the thing no one will give you anywhere near what the thing cost you.
Now I don't wanna be a killjoy, these are the facts of life.

Facts? What even gave you the slightest hint that this was serious?

Nobody ever goes to the effort of building/customising a car with any intention of making any money, they do it just to do it & if it were up to them they'd never give the car up.



1000kw! for how many nanoseconds will that hold together?


In Australia alone there are atleast 3 800+kw RB26s(let alone an RB30 hybrid), the oldest of which has been running reliably for 4 years without need of regular rebuild.

Nissan used to run 24hr cars at 1000kw on RB26 engines.

[That Bloke]

Original Revived baby, Zgeek's own search couldn't find it but while googling "Nissan Cedric" Google found this in the zgeek archives, I'll try & find the pictures & re-upload them.

Going through Carsales I came upon this
http://images.carsales.com.au/private/935645.jpg (http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.private_vehicle?vehicle_id=1933799&current_rec=1&used_rec=0&total_rec=1&sort_type=&total_rec=1&sort_type=&make_id=37&keyword=2300&state_id=-1&search_distance=25)
& It's revived my old crazy idea on getting an old 1966-1970 Nissan Cedric/Datsun 2300 Super Six, & fitting it with an RB30 with a RB26DETT head swap & complete Godzilla drive line, the pictures from the old thread are on the old computer which is in a state of deadness but I'll try & retrieve them.

[anothe]

uh.. i see my post was not moved along with That_Blokes into this old thread ..

was it not on topic enough or what?

http://www.zgeek.com/forum/showpost.php?p=922759&postcount=2

Even if this car isnt a nissan it's still from the same era (1967 model shown). It could still accept a RB26, though I'm not sure about the 4wd, which is what I came to this thread to ask.


I think the Cedric still gets my vote as car of choice though :)

[Furball]

I used to own a 1990 three-banger charade... I always dreamed of working that car over sleeper-style, either a 13B with rear wheel drive conversion or running gear and SR20DET from a gti-r pulsar, plus all the bells and whistes...

what wonderful dreams they were and shall remain.. until I take over the world at least.. :P

[That Bloke]

Got most of the pictures back up.

[Benwah]

I used to own a 1990 three-banger charade... I always dreamed of working that car over sleeper-style, either a 13B with rear wheel drive conversion or running gear and SR20DET from a gti-r pulsar, plus all the bells and whistes...

what wonderful dreams they were and shall remain.. until I take over the world at least.. :P

Whats wrong with putting in the Turbo motor? Charade Turbos are great! (and cheap!)

[DumHed]

if you want a Charade with a GTiR engine, just get a GTiR, remove the spoiler and vented bonnet (go to a front mount intercooler), and swap the badges for Charade ones :)
99% of people would never pick it!

[Furball]

I was looking at weight issues as well, I think a gti-r weighs in around 1200-1300kgs from memory, whereas a charade is around 800 odd kilos. To be honest, I dont know how much weight would be added to that with the nissan motor and transmission, diffs etc. But 800 is a nice starting point... ;)

But like I said, its a pipe dream, i think id just go buy a gti-r now and save myself the cash and the hassle...

[DumHed]

Much larger engine, gearbox, turbo / intercooler setup, full 4WD system, tougher suspension and chassis, plus much bigger brakes adds up to a big difference I think :)

[That Bloke]

I was actually just thinking that by the time you switch the mech over the Charade would be heavier than the Pulsar.

[beerbaron]

what bout 240z or better yet
fairlady ? be a nice mean convertible with that running gear in it

[That Bloke]

what bout 240z or better yet
fairlady ? be a nice mean convertible with that running gear in it

People would suspect it less in a Cedric, hence Sleeper.

[Benwah]

In a similar vein, I'd like a daihatsu handivan with a charade 3 pot turbo motor in it.

sleeeeeepa.

[That Bloke]

In a similar vein, I'd like a daihatsu handivan with a charade 3 pot turbo motor in it.

sleeeeeepa.

Get an import, it'll be a 12 valve fuel injected turbo 3 banger(103bhp) instead of a 6 valve suck through carby set up(68hp).

[Benwah]

yup, its a pipe dream, but thats what I'd do if I did it.

oh, I'd HAVE to have a roll cage in something that small.

[ShinymetalASS]

Why not just buy that Volvo with the V10 in it?

Hahahahaha. Then you can be grandpa bogan.

[That Bloke]

yup, its a pipe dream, but thats what I'd do if I did it.


It'd be cheap enough, the engine & gearbox can be gotten for $650ish

oh, I'd HAVE to have a roll cage in something that small.
Nah, light little cars are often better in roll overs.


Subaru Sherpas are tough little fuckers, you can stand on its roof & nothing even sags, you can even get 2 & put one of them upside down on the roof of the other one & they'll both hold up.

[That Bloke]

Why not just buy that Volvo with the V10 in it?

Hahahahaha. Then you can be grandpa bogan.
That particular shape of Nissan Cedric just has a certain charm to it.

[Jimma]

OK for the wheels, none of those ones look old or stock like. If you want something aftermarket that is lighter, I'd go for Cragar Rallye, but why not just some stockers with hubcaps?

This is the Rallye:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8675/cragarrally4jt.jpg

As for building a 500kw engine - that'd require more money than you may think. Proabably upwards of $40k.

[That Bloke]

OK for the wheels, none of those ones look old or stock like. If you want something aftermarket that is lighter, I'd go for Cragar Rallye, but why not just some stockers with hubcaps?

stock wheels aren't wide enough & steelies aren't as balanced or perfectly round, Personally I go for the Simmons v5 because they're locally made, abundant & you always find them on otherwise unmodified 60s & 70s cars.

This is the Rallye:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8675/cragarrally4jt.jpg


Not that into those

[That Bloke]

yup, its a pipe dream, but thats what I'd do if I did it.


another engine, Daihatsu HD-EG (DeTomaso), it's a 1.6litre 16 valve 4 cylinder(enlarged Charade 1.3litre 4 banger), it's 96kw & runs low enough compression that turbocharging would be easy, they can be obtained for $1350, apparently supplies of the 12 valve 3banger turbo have dried up.