Girlfriends forgetting to take their pill

[Imprint]

Fuck that, I can do without the scares when they finish a card and they are late. I can do without the worry.

I never thought two words could scare a man so much but "i'm late" is just fucked up.

if you'd been scared by your girlfriend before on this topic, then vent it out here.

I'm going to start jump kicking my girl in the gut once a week just to make sure nothing slips through the net.

[no_dice]

Well....blaming it all on your girlfriend is kind of stupid. Contraception shouldn't be soley her responsibility. I've never had any pregnancy scares with any of my girlfriends....mostly because I always use a condom and they were all on the pill :)

So if you don't want the scares, wrap up.

[Mattryx]

Dice has hit the proverbial nail.

Contraception should never be left solely up to the chick and her pill.

But I do agree on the scare factor, a girlfriend of mine uttered those words to me, and I shat bricks. Sif a 19 year old part time bar tender would be able to take care of a kid.

Longest two days of my life. On that second day however, she comes running up to me bawling, "I got my period" in the middle of the main fucking street. Needless to say for quite a while my mates would run up to me shouting "I got my period".

[Imprint]

ok I should clear this up, yes condoms were used and she forgot to take her pill and decided to tell me after she finished her card, i was convinced there was no way we could be pregnant but her constant drilling into my head that we were more than likely pregnant scared me quite good.

[no_dice]

The mere stress of a girl thinking she could potentially be pregnant can cause them to be late, or even miss a period. As stressful as it is for guys to hear the words "I'm late" it must be ten times worse for the girl.

I used to swim competitively and a lot of the girl swimmers would only get their period 3 or 4 times a year since they were so active. weird.

[thuvia]

Girls who participate in athletics tend to have delayed periods. When I was competing in gymnastics, I didnt have one for over a year, which didnt bother me because I wasnt sexually active at the time. It has to do with strenous exercise and hormones.

On another note, it is possible to take your pill EVERY single day and still get pregnant. The evidence being my 17 y/o daughter. I took my pill every day at the same time, still ended up pregnant. We were also using condoms. I swear its that look Beo gives me. :D

[no_dice]

Were the pills available 17 years ago as reliable as the ones available today?

[Nandragon]

yes, young one.
I don't think birthcontrol pills have been much improved on over the last 20 years.

no birthcontrol is 100% effective, except for abstinance

[no_dice]

a lot of my friends are on depo....they go in once every three months.....get a shot and they're ready and rarin. They never get their period while on the shot....so there's never any "downtime" for the monthly bills:P

Nan: I just can't beleive someone who was using both birth control and a condom got pregnant....that kid must be destined to become president or something...

[Nandragon]

I had a boyfriend piss me off once. Poke holes with a pin in every damn condom in he had in the box.

Rubbers, slip, burst and get lost sometimes too.

I know 2 girls who had serious trouble with depo. One died from uterine cancer (or was that norplant)

[spurr]

It loses that "instant panic" feeling after you've heard it a few times :eek:

As mentioned above, there are a number of things that can affect regularity. For example, active lifestlye, stress, illness, etc.

I found the first time I was in this situation quite upsetting. It was a bit different in that my girlfriend at the time didn't tell me she was late. When her period did arrive (a week late) she let me know how worried she had been about being pregnant. I was annoyed she went through the worry alone, when I could have at least tried to help if I had known.

Of course, this was easy for me to say after the fact. If she had told me after the first couple of days I may well have shat myself with worry :p

[no_dice]

What the hell would he poke holes in them for?

[thuvia]

no_dice....the way I look at it is this, she was determined to be conceived. She is the only girl out of the 5 I gave birth to. We did adopt another girl and another boy later.

As far as president...nahhh.
She is going to college to be a chemical engineer.

[no_dice]

I think my girlfriend was destined to be as well....her mom had three boys, then 4 miscarriages....then her:)

[Bostonmess]

Originally posted by spurr
It loses that "instant panic" feeling after you've heard it a few times :eek:

Do you think women ever wonder how you would react if they mentioned that they might be pregnant? :D

*Ducks*

[utopian]

"I'm pregnant"
"Oh shi" *blows back of head out with shotgun*
"lol pranked lol"

[Chocoholic]

Originally posted by Bostonmess
Do you think women ever wonder how you would react if they mentioned that they might be pregnant? :D

*Ducks*

Yes.

While accidents happen so dose blatant manipulation.

[Cassa]

Once being late becomes a regular thing it tends not to fill you with quite so much dread. The only time I've ever had a proper regular cycle was when I was on the pill, so I don't even have a classification of what 'late' might be (though three months with no show worried me a bit), I can be anywhere from four to seven weeks normally.

A heads up to anyone who might be able to explain why this happens to me? I'm not pregnant (duh) and I'm not anorexic. I exercise a lot and have a fairly low body fat % but I wouldn't have thought it was enough to stuff up my cycle. I'm strict vegetarian but I've never heard of that affecting it in anyone...

[BlueBoy]

I had one girlfriend who didn't really talk to me for over a month at one point. I thought it was a bit strange, and it pissed me off a lot. I couldn't get any explanation out of her.
3 months later: "Oh remember when I didn't talk to you for a while. I thought I was pregnant."
She was worried what I'd think. Rather than actually ask/tell me.
After that and a few similar occurances I got rid of her.

[Buffy]

I'm not on the pill anymore, though I've been thinking about getting on it again.. I just find it changes so much to do with your bodies normal "settings"... I either stack on weight, or get moody.
I have been pregnant before too, and it was a surprise, and it also wasn't the right time.. so I got an abortion. Some people react when I tell them that and say 'oh, thats really brave of you' or something similar.. I don't think it is, it was a rational decision at the time and I wasn't upset or depressed afterwards. Of course you stop and think about whats going on, I did. I didn't hesistate in telling my partner at the time, and he dealt with it well too. How can anyone think to keep it to themselves even if they only suspect they might be pregnant? If your partner reacts by being angry then, fuck, at least you know its probably not a good idea to have a baby with them... and if your partner reacts with a logical and compassionate response then how much better off are you for having shared the responsibility with someone who will deal with it and help you? :)

[BlueBoy]

Best. Post. Ever! :D

[SamBo]

yes, the whole "i'm late" discussion can be stressful.
I ALWAYS wear a rubber. I know they are not perfect, but you'd have to be pretty stupid to not use one.
having the girl on the pill and the guy still using a rubber is a good idea too, but again, isn't perfect.
It's the risk you take when you fuck i spose.

[Mr Bigglesworth]

if you dont want the risk then dont do the deed, or do it once or twice a month when the woman cant conceive...its simple as that.

if i were female...i wouldnt be taking the pill..it fucks around with you and there are no long-term studies to say whether it is detrimental to health or causes birth defects.

[Cassa]

Originally posted by Mr Bigglesworth
if you dont want the risk then dont do the deed, or do it once or twice a month when the woman cant conceive...its simple as that.

I'm afraid it's not quite that simple.

[Bifrost]

Actually there have been a number of studies which have shown there isn't any time of the month when a woman can't conceive...There are times when it's less likely, but apparently there's always a chance...

I agree: Buffy - best post ever.

Having been with the same girl for a long time now, I am comfortable with the whole "I'm late" thing...Because it has happened many times...Apparently different bodies have different opinions of what is a "regular" cycle...

I'm also a rational being who understands that there is always a risk of pregnancy...In the past I have been through dodgy condoms, missed pills etc, etc...It's stressful, but it's all part of life...Once you understand that, you have to decide for yourself where you will stand if someone does become pregnant...And if you are a guy, you also have to realise that if that time does come - you are in the passenger seat and you can only navigate...It's the driver who has the ultimate decision to make...

When you have sex, the risk is always there...If you can't deal with it (much as I hate to say it ;)) I agree with Bigglesworth: stop doing it...

[Mr Bigglesworth]

lol Bifrost...we agree to agree.....something strange is going to happen today, I can feel it! :D

Cassa...its not a field that I expertise in but if you ask your GP or family planner im certain they have devices that can test to see if a woman is fertile on that particular day or not...its even approved by the Catholic Church of all things.

[Cassa]

Bigglesworth: Yes there are techniques that go along that line but it's still very imprecise. As bifrost says, there is always a chance, and if you narrowed down the risks as much as you could you'd probably end up with a 20 minute window once a month where there was the smallest chance of pregnancy. There is no risk free way, as people have said, if you really can't handle the risk then don't do it.

[CMYK]

The "devices" of which you speak are either thermometers of your fingers: ie the Billings Method. Look it up.

Many people use these methods. Their names are usually "mum" and "dad".

[Holster]

You would be talking about the billings method, but this is used more by couples trying to have children.
If someone cant remember to take a pill once a day I dont think they could mange using this method for birth control

[Al]

Well my gf uses an IUD, aparently they're about as reliable as the pill. At least you don't need to remember to take it every day!

[DJos]

Contraception is such a funny thing, me and the ex-wife descided about 6 months into our marriage (well actually she descided and informed me of her descision) to try for a mini-us. she stopped taking the pill and we bonked like rabbits for about a month - then she changed her mind, scrapped the idea and sweated for a few weeks over whether or not she was pregnant.

Thankfully she wasn't and then she resumed taking the pill.

[pleed]

I have never had it happen to me, but there are probably little pleeds running around as a result of a nightclub.

[mooutlaw]

No birth control is 100 0/0 but if it was ment to be it will be no matter how hard you try not to. the only 100 0/0 is not to have sex at all. and that is no fun at all

[Chrissy]

I fell pregnant with my son while I was taking the pill. I was 19.

I stressed about it for 5 months before I told anyone.

Because I was 5 months gone, it was too late to consider termination, adoption was an option but never a serious one.

My son is now almost 9 years old, and I still remember the feeling of sheer panic when the doctor confirmed that I was pregnant.

It's easy for men to say it's horrible to have to deal with the panic, but as a girl, it's so much worse. There are so many extra pressures to deal with, and no matter what anyone says, if you as a couple decide on an abortion, it will always be the womans final decision to go through with it or not.

Men can always walk if it gets too tough to deal with, women don't have it that easy. As a woman you are expected to be maternal and be able to care for a child. If a mother walks away, they are almost always slated for making that choice.

as so many other people have said, the only way to ensure you don't get pregnant is to not have sex.

[Quoka]

Originally posted by Chrissy
Men can always walk if it gets too tough to deal with,
If a mother walks away, they are almost always slated

As the saying goes.... "It takes two to tango". Absolutely no reason why mean should not be slated too.

[Mattryx]

Originally posted by pleed
I have never had it happen to me, but there are probably little pleeds running around as a result of a nightclub.

Oh, fucking SURE THERE IS YOU WANKER!



And anyway, anyone that you've rooted has already had their kids, and is in menopause.

[Springer]

*inserts 2c*

I dunno, if u sexed - u deal with it, easy.
Cant deal? - too bad!

ps, brave words from everyone, props.

[Chrissy]

Originally posted by Quoka
As the saying goes.... "It takes two to tango". Absolutely no reason why mean should not be slated too.

But in 99.9% of cases men don't get slated for walking away, not in the same way that women do if they chose to leave.

[Nandragon]

Rythm Method

Without reading this material http://www.carleton.ca/health/rythm.htm

count 10 days before ur last period, and find 10 days after that period. that day would be ur safest. Also by taking your temperature every morning, and registering ur body temp. I think when it raises, ur ovulating

read the article

[BlueBoy]

Originally posted by Nandragon
Rythm Method

Without reading this material http://www.carleton.ca/health/rythm.htm

count 10 days before ur last period, and find 10 days after that period. that day would be ur safest. Also by taking your temperature every morning, and registering ur body temp. I think when it raises, ur ovulating

read the article

Maths has no place in the bumping of uglies :D

[roo_rah]

personally i'd find out for sure if i was ever in the position of 'thinking' i was pregnant, (simple chemist test), no use scaring your boyfriend, or yourself for that matter - when you don't know things for a fact.

girls can be a couple of days, even a week late, quite regularly, so if you got majorly upset everytime you were a few days late, you'd be a stress ball from hell almost every month - and probably shouldn't be having sex. hahaha

and guys, the proper response would be - 'lets find out for sure before we jump the stress out gun'.

meybee some people just love a good drama

/me is sooo damn wize!!

;P

[BlueBoy]

A little heads up never goes astray though ;)

[utopian]

Boy: Hey, I'm concerned about you, you seem all moody and I've noticed you've put on a bit of weight, is everything OK?

Girl: OMG I AM PREGNANT HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW!?! YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ME ANYMORE WHY DON'T YOU KNOW I AM PREGNANT!!?

Boy: Oh, probably because you didn't tell me.


Ideal situation:

Girl: I am pregnant. :o

Boy: Oh shit. :eek:

Girl: lol, pranked. :p

Boy: Own3d. :(

Girl: XA XA XA :cool:

[Wolfette13]

My friends daughter and her husband found out several weeks ago that she is pregnant. They have been using the pill, condoms and a spermicide since they got married about 2 years ago. Sometimes it is just meant to be that a little one is to come into this world.

[MisterBishi]

Originally posted by Wolfette13
My friends daughter and her husband found out several weeks ago that she is pregnant. They have been using the pill, condoms and a spermicide since they got married about 2 years ago. Sometimes it is just meant to be that a little one is to come into this world.

haha she's having the postman's kid.


ps. necrowned.

[RASPUTIN]

My wife and I had the best solution for not having any more kids. She chopped off my balls.

Nah she went out and had clips put in. I was gunna get it done but she stopped me doing it as I was too young and drank too much so she reckoned I could get cancer. Such a caring lass.

[ShadowNemesis]

Originally posted by RASPUTIN
My wife and I had the best solution for not having any more kids. She chopped off my balls.

Nah she went out and had clips put in. I was gunna get it done but she stopped me doing it as I was too young and drank too much so she reckoned I could get cancer. Such a caring lass.

Clips aren't always reliable;)

But then again getting your tubes tied or getting the big V aren't either:(

[Cassa]

I'm going to get my tubes tied at some point soon I think.

[kré]

this thread is olol.

[sperm]

Originally posted by Chrissy
Men can always walk if it gets too tough to deal with, women don't have it that easy. As a woman you are expected to be maternal and be able to care for a child. If a mother walks away, they are almost always slated for making that choice.


try running that past sutter ....

[pleed]

I havent read all the posts in this thread so it may have been said already.

I know some people have said "it's not up to her for contraception, it should be up to both of you" but that's shit.
If she decides that she doesn't want to be preggos and takes the pill, then together you have decided that the pill is the method of contraception that you will use, then it's up to her to take it from then on.

[Drakin]

Originally posted by Nandragon
I don't think birthcontrol pills have been much improved on over the last 20 years.


Actually they have made some vast improvements on the pill.
If you hate the way most pills make you feel etc it could be the ammount of estrogen in the pill, i know my fiancee is a screaming hell cat banshee on some pills but on yasmin she is as close to normal as females get :D (Yasmin does cost more)

By the mid '70s, most women who used oral contraceptives were taking pills
that contained 50 mcg or less of estrogen--a considerable decrease over the
100 to 150 mcg of the '60s. The amount of progestin in the pills had also
decreased over the years from the original 10 mg to between 2.5 mg and 0.15
mg.

Between 1973 and 1974, FDA approved several low-dose pills containing as
little as 20 to 35 mcg of estrogen. Most pills prescribed today contain 30
to 35 mcg of estrogen and 0.5 mg to 1 mg progestin.

In 1982, a new version of the pill, called the "biphasic" pill, was
introduced. Two years later, three "triphasic" pills were introduced. These
"multiphasic" oral contraceptives are low-dose pills in which the ratio of
progestin to estrogen changes during the 21 days the pill is taken.

By 1986, use of high-dose estrogen pills had been drastically reduced--to
3.4 percent of the oral contraceptive market.

Nevertheless, some 400,000 women were still using high-dose estrogen pills.
Most were between 30 and 39 years of age, the age group most at risk of
serious side effects.

In 1988, at FDA's urging, the three drug companies still manufacturing
high-dose estrogen oral contraceptives voluntarily withdrew from the market
all remaining products containing over 50 mcg estrogen.

[ersatz]

maybe you need to try these (http://www.neuticles.com) ?

[Al]

The though of having children at my age still scares the crap outta me. I'm sure I'll get around to it one day...

I've had some scares with my ex-gf in the past, but nothing too bad. My comiserations to you guys who've had a bad scare, you've probably lost years off your life ;)

[Cassa]

Ahem.

Comiserations to the girls who've gone through a scare also. It's one of the most frightening things that can happen to you :eek:

[imp]

Originally posted by Cassa
Ahem.

Comiserations to the girls who've gone through a scare also. It's one of the most frightening things that can happen to you :eek:

Amen to that sister.
What's scarier is when it's not a scare after all and you realise you actually have a living thing growing in your belly. Yeah. Scary.

[Cassa]

Thank sweet buddha I've never had _that_ happen to me...tis why I plan on getting the snippo - it's not something I want to deal with, now or in the future.

[Whiskers]

Scarier still are the young girls who often forget to take the pill AND don't see having a baby or an abortion as a big deal.

[Bussie]

Originally posted by Drakin
Actually they have made some vast improvements on the pill.
If you hate the way most pills make you feel etc it could be the ammount of estrogen in the pill, i know my fiancee is a screaming hell cat banshee on some pills but on yasmin she is as close to normal as females get :D (Yasmin does cost more)

I have the same story, my girlfriend tried everything from the implants to the injections and the pills, all have given her bad mood swings and other complications. Then she started on "Yasmin" it was one of the most expensive options(about $50 for a 3 month course) but it has worked well as if she wasn't on it at all.

[Drakin]

Originally posted by Bussie
I have the same story, my girlfriend tried everything from the implants to the injections and the pills, all have given her bad mood swings and other complications. Then she started on "Yasmin" it was one of the most expensive options(about $50 for a 3 month course) but it has worked well as if she wasn't on it at all.

And as we all know $50 is a small price to pay for not having "those" conversations once a month...

M: Hi honey..
F: YOU DONT LOVE ME ANYMORE!! IM FAT AND HORRIBLE YOU SHOULD JUST LEAVE.....
M: err
F: SEE YOU JUST PROVED THAT EVERYTHING IS NOTHING AND OUR LOVE IS INVALID
M: but...
F: WHY DONT YOU BUY ME FLOWERS?
M: bec...
F: BOO HOOO I LOVE YOU
M: ok.....i love you too
F: YOU DONT MEAN IT!!
M: Is something wrong?
F: WHY DO YOU ALWAYS THINK SOMETHINGS WRONG?!??!
M: Its not?
F: I HAVE MY PERIOD....
M: <slam> <sounds of running>

[Cassa]

Hahaha I do that about once a week but that's because I have a mood disorder (which is not PMS you smartasses) :p

[Bussie]

Originally posted by Drakin
And as we all know $50 is a small price to pay for not having "those" conversations once a month...

M: Hi honey..
F: YOU DONT LOVE ME ANYMORE!! IM FAT AND HORRIBLE YOU SHOULD JUST LEAVE.....
M: err
F: SEE YOU JUST PROVED THAT EVERYTHING IS NOTHING AND OUR LOVE IS INVALID
M: but...
F: WHY DONT YOU BUY ME FLOWERS?
M: bec...
F: BOO HOOO I LOVE YOU
M: ok.....i love you too
F: YOU DONT MEAN IT!!
M: Is something wrong?
F: WHY DO YOU ALWAYS THINK SOMETHINGS WRONG?!??!
M: Its not?
F: I HAVE MY PERIOD....
M: <slam> <sounds of running>

Where is all the scratching screeming and blood(from the scratching)???

[Fuzzy Dice]

Originally posted by Cassa
Once being late becomes a regular thing it tends not to fill you with quite so much dread. The only time I've ever had a proper regular cycle was when I was on the pill, so I don't even have a classification of what 'late' might be (though three months with no show worried me a bit), I can be anywhere from four to seven weeks normally.

A heads up to anyone who might be able to explain why this happens to me? I'm not pregnant (duh) and I'm not anorexic. I exercise a lot and have a fairly low body fat % but I wouldn't have thought it was enough to stuff up my cycle. I'm strict vegetarian but I've never heard of that affecting it in anyone...

I would hazard a guess that you're a low estrogen producer and the pill's extra estrogen brings you up to a more 'normal' cycle.

[Buffy]

cassaaaa eat more fruit n veges, you can seriously make them yummy, and quick to prepare, cause bread rolls, sushi, and packet pastas are nice, but it ain't food of the gods girlfriend. werd. :D

[Al]

Originally posted by Cassa
Ahem.

Comiserations to the girls who've gone through a scare also. It's one of the most frightening things that can happen to you :eek:

Yeah sorry, I was using guys in the general sense (as in everyone) not the specific male sense. I tend to do that.

My gf gets really pissed off when I call her mate... So I throw it in every now and then. *snicker* ;)

[Cassa]

Low estrogen indeed Fuzzy. A high lean body mass compared to lower body fat % does that

and buffy you will be pleased to know i had wholegrain stuffed with zucchini and tomato and mushroom for lunch today :D

[Buffy]

w00t, veges are my friend :D
I've lost like 3-4 kilos in the past few weeks, all thanks to fruit n veges and lotsa water. w00t x 2! :p

[Sutter]

Originally posted by Chrissy
But in 99.9% of cases men don't get slated for walking away, not in the same way that women do if they chose to leave.
Really? How many men do you know that have and are thought of as great for doing it? 99.9%????? What a load.
:swear:

[Bussie]

Originally posted by Sutter
Really? How many men do you know that have and are thought of as great for doing it? 99.9%????? What a load.
:swear:
And 72% of all stats are made up on the spot(for example this one)!!

[C0V3R]

Stats may be made up but Sutter has a point - just think back to any episode of ricki lake/springer/any other garbage and theres a high chance you'll hear the term "Dead beat dad" or something similar.

[cahj]

Watch out that you dont stay on the pill too long. For some it is difficult to fall pregnant afterwards. If you have been on the pill a LONG time.

I have never had a problem with contraception. I always wanted children, but we had problems with my wife falling pregnant.

(Side note: why 'falling' pregnant? Anyone know?)

[Cassa]

Originally posted by cahj
(Side note: why 'falling' pregnant? Anyone know?)

Comparisons to a bottomless pit spring to mind :p

[BlueBoy]

Originally posted by cahj
(Side note: why 'falling' pregnant? Anyone know?)
I prefer the term 'getting knocked up'. :D

[MisterBishi]

This may well be the most successful instance of thread necromancy since your mom's hand-me-down cardigan.

Yes, your mom.

[Sambellina]

Originally posted by cahj


(Side note: why 'falling' pregnant? Anyone know?)

Maybe because the egg is fertilised in the fallopian tube and then "falls" into the womb.

I prefer "up the spout" myself.

[Bussie]

What about "up the duff" lol "duff"

[Howie]

sorry i haven't read all the replies. But i've had this happen to me twice.... but i was given a good piece of advice when i was young. Stay calm.. pretend like you don't care.. and hopefully they'll have it the next day. If that fails ... freak out! lol.

[Lord_Phat]

if only you had taken the sage contraceptive mantra seriously:

up the bum, so no babies come

none of these issues would be raised :D

[RASPUTIN]

Yeah but if one does come it would be a little shit

[Scythe]

Originally posted by Sambellina
I prefer "up the spout" myself.

Up the duff.

[premier]

I always take my pill on time :D

[ShadowNemesis]

I used to take mine on time all the time. Still didn't stop number 1 coming along.:)

[Lord_Phat]

Originally posted by RASPUTIN
Yeah but if one does come it would be a little shit

*boom tish*

[imp]

Originally posted by ShadowNemesis
I used to take mine on time all the time. Still didn't stop number 1 coming along.:)

Exactly. People don't realise the pill is not fool proof. You can take it like clockwork everyday and still fall pregnant.
The only 100 percent way of making sure you don't get pregnant or catch any sort of STD is to abstain.

[Chocoholic]

Originally posted by imp
Exactly. People don't realise the pill is not fool proof. You can take it like clockwork everyday and still fall pregnant.
The only 100 percent way of making sure you don't get pregnant or catch any sort of STD is to abstain.

Both my sister have had kids on the pill. I am scared as all hell as I have a family history of it.

On the other hand I have had 2 friends tell me that they couldn’t get pregnant as they had a lot of unprotected sex, time has proven then wrong.

Abstaining is for suckers :o

[Cassa]

No pun intended there choc? :D

[imp]

Originally posted by Chocoholic
Both my sister have had kids on the pill. I am scared as all hell as I have a family history of it.

On the other hand I have had 2 friends tell me that they couldn’t get pregnant as they had a lot of unprotected sex, time has proven then wrong.

Abstaining is for suckers :o

Best thing to do would be to use a condom and the pill if you're worried and abstaining aint your thang.

Your doctor will be able to advise the best course of action. Some people are just VERY fertile same way some people just can't seem to fall pregnant.

[quartz_donkey]

The only sure thing is death and taxes. Perhaps off clour for birth control but true nonetheless